The official LoZ Timeline discussion thread

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

I've got a challenge for you, Watties: offer me a legitimate counter-argument showing me what demonstrates that the current intent of the developers is for ALttP to occur on the 'adult' side of the timeline, using ONLY in-game evidence and developer quotes (and without 'cherry picking' in situations where future games and/or developer quotes have invalidated previous developer quotes and/or in-game information).

Alright, when I make my timeline (after Spirit Tracks comes out), I'll explain why I put everything everywhere, using only in game. Although, I want you to do the same challenge with the CT side. If you want my explaining earlier, will do.

FSA, which is in the AT, had Ganon being sealed in the FS. The GBA ALttP has a broken FS in the FS Shrine. So that's how Ganon gets back intot he SR before aLttP. They sealed him in the FS, then threw it into the DW

Originally Posted by Chad

FSA, which is in the AT, had Ganon being sealed in the FS. The GBA ALttP has a broken FS in the FS Shrine. So that's how Ganon gets back intot he SR before aLttP. They sealed him in the FS, then threw it into the DW

Finally someone who agrees with me. This can connect all the other games as well. We need some official recognition of this, but I love you Chad (NOT in a gay way)

Sorry, Watties, but I'm not going to wait two months to resolve this argument. I've already laid out the evidence that points toward the developers intending ALttP to take place on the child side of the timeline. Either present me with evidence to support your argument NOW, or drop the entire thing and quit trying to refute what I've said.

Chad: Where's your proof that the developers intend for FSA to take place on the adult side of the timeline?

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

Sorry, Watties, but I'm not going to wait two months to resolve this argument. I've already laid out the evidence that points toward the developers intending ALttP to take place on the child side of the timeline. Either present me with evidence to support your argument NOW, or drop the entire thing and quit trying to refute what I've said.

Chad: Where's your proof that the developers intend for FSA to take place on the adult side of the timeline?

Buddy, if you ain't realized this, there will never, until Nintendo says so, be a resolution to this argument. It's going on for as long as we know. And fine. By the way, all your evidence is theory's.

To be honest, the FSA series is made by Capcom. So it may just be Capcome trying to tie things in.

FSA takes place on an island, which could be because of the flood in AT. Plus most people either put FSA before ooT, or in the Adult Timeline that I have seen.

Originally Posted by Watties

Right, but the TR didn't exist at the time of ALttP, Ganon is in the SR, meaning ALTTP

How do you mean exist? Like thought up exist? Or in-game exist?

^ The thing is, Watties, you're not even willing to attempt to present a valid and legitimate counter-argument to what I'm saying. All you keep doing is saying stuff like 'there's no evidence to support what you're saying' and 'until Nintendo says so, we're never going to know where ALttP is supposed to be placed', which basically proves that you have no argument and are simply arguing for the sake of arguing.

You can't say your timeline is official, DigificWriter, nor is there any official timeline. Every timeline is measly a theory, believed or not by alot of people, mine, yours, everybody else and their theories are theories. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but there is not an official timeline yet. Though parts of it are official:

OoT-MM-TP

WW-PH

LoZ-AoL

Maybe there are more parts that are official that I'm forgetting, but those three above are as far to my knowledge the only parts of timelines that are official.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

^ The thing is, Watties, you're not even willing to attempt to present a valid and legitimate counter-argument to what I'm saying. All you keep doing is saying stuff like 'there's no evidence to support what you're saying' and 'until Nintendo says so, we're never going to know where ALttP is supposed to be placed', which basically proves that you have no argument and are simply arguing for the sake of arguing.

Buddy, If you read some of my big rants on other threads, I have evidence, I prove my point. It's called not wanting to type over and over again. We aren't all keyboard warriors here buddy. YOU have nothing more than theories, your just being stubborn.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

You can't say your timeline is official, DigificWriter, nor is there any official timeline. Every timeline is measly a theory, believed or not by alot of people, mine, yours, everybody else and their theories are theories. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but there is not an official timeline yet. Though parts of it are official:

OoT-MM-TP

WW-PH

LoZ-AoL

Maybe there are more parts that are official that I'm forgetting, but those three above are as far to my knowledge the only parts of timelines that are official.

And once again, somebody didn't bother to read my initial post. Over the past couple of years, it's been proven that there IS an official LoZ timeline, and I've become convinced that the developers have given us enough information to put said timeline together, which is what I want to try and do. Instead, though, I keep running into people who insist on presenting idiotic arguments and/or making stupid statements like 'you can't say that your timeline is official' and 'there is no official timeline'.

Originally Posted by Watties

Buddy, If you read some of my big rants on other threads, I have evidence, I prove my point. It's called not wanting to type over and over again. We aren't all keyboard warriors here buddy. YOU have nothing more than theories, your just being stubborn.

If you actually wanted to present a valid counter-argument, you would. End of story. Instead, you keep making up stupid excuses.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

You can't say your timeline is official,

The presumably official LoZ Timeline (Partial)

Maybe there are more parts that are official that I'm forgetting, but those three above are as far to my knowledge the only parts of timelines that are official.

The Minish Cap
Four Swords
Ocarina of Time
Timeline A ('Child' Timeline)
Majora's Mask
Twilight Princess
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons
Timeline B ('Adult' Timeline)
The Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
The Legend of Zelda
The Adventure of Link

Bolded are the things that are correct.

^ I wouldn't go so far as to say that the placement of Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, as I postulated, is 100% accurate, but thanks for the support anyway.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

If you actually wanted to present a valid counter-argument, you would. End of story. Instead, you keep making up stupid excuses.

Alright keyboard warrior, I'll get started with some of my points.

- Imprisoned in the sacred realm. On the CT, he was in the TR, and in fact, there is no mention of the SR.

- Sages. The maidens in ALttP are direct desendants of the sages in OoT, which sealed Ganon away in the SACRED REALM.

- The imprisoning war is a big event in ALttP, the backstory to it. This is, and directly follows with the story, what happends during the time Link is asleep for 7 years. He wakes up, defeats Ganon, and the sages then imprison him in the sacred realm.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

^ I wouldn't go so far as to say that the placement of Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, as I postulated, is 100% accurate, but thanks for the support anyway.

Twinrova is alive to revive Ganondorf.
Zora are alive.
Gorons are alive [which means OoX can't be after aLttP]

OoX fits better on the CT.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

Twinrova is alive to revive Ganondorf.
Zora are alive.
Gorons are alive [which means OoX can't be after aLttP]

OoX fits better on the CT.

Your absolutly right. Not only that, but the Twinrova are old. Now, I was thinking almost that OOX could be OoT kiddie Link story, but then I realized they were reviving Ganon, not releasing him from the sacred realm.

Now, with Ganon being in the sacred realm, the gerudo can't have another male child every 100 years, because Ganon can't plant his seed in anyone. Ganon being alive in FSA (which is why it can't take place before the times of OoT), and the gerudos still alive must stand for their long life. I like what Chad said with the connection with FSA and the dark world, then Ganon being trapped in the Four Sword and having that be banished, but we have no proof.

Another point is that with the flood on the AT, the gorons were made extinct due to the inability to swim I guess (no proof), anyway they are not there. Also, zoras are transformed. Zoras are differently transformed in ALttP, but aren't in Twilight. This points to more evidence of ALttP being on the AT.

Anyway, Twinrova can live for a long time. I think (if they are on the same side), OOX came after FSA, due to the twinrova being the only gerudos left. Of course, in a moments time of the twinrova reviving Ganon at any point, they could have little gerudo kiddies, but I don't think Ganon rolls that way. If this did happen though, it would explain the twinrova not being in FSA, of course they could just be in holodrum/labrynia preparing at the same time, almost meaning the FSA and OOX Link can be the same.

So far, there are many possibilities to the extinction of gerudos, and the revival.

Originally Posted by Watties

Alright keyboard warrior, I'll get started with some of my points.

- Imprisoned in the sacred realm. On the CT, he was in the TR, and in fact, there is no mention of the SR.

- Sages. The maidens in ALttP are direct desendants of the sages in OoT, which sealed Ganon away in the SACRED REALM.

- The imprisoning war is a big event in ALttP, the backstory to it. This is, and directly follows with the story, what happends during the time Link is asleep for 7 years. He wakes up, defeats Ganon, and the sages then imprison him in the sacred realm.

One thing about the Sages from OoT: they're not all men, which is the one discrepency that existed between that game and A Link to the Past. Twilight Princess corrected that discrepancy by introducing the Ancient Sages (who correlate more closely with the sages described in ALttP, and who ARE all men).

I'm already aware that the events depicted in the second half of OoT match the description of the Imprisoning War from ALttP very closely, but, as I already pointed out, they are also invalidated by the backstory of The Wind Waker, and I can't find anything in any of the other games that would remedy that situation.

Therefore, the most likely conclusion, despite what you want to believe, is that, as I've already demonstrated, the developers intend for ALttP to take place on the 'child' branch of the timeline.

BTW, I also thought of another piece of evidence to support the idea that the developers intend for ALttP to take place on the CT: the existence of Zoras. The developers have confirmed that they designed the Rito as the evolved form of the Zoras ,and the Rito only exist on the AT. In ALttP, the Zoras, evil though they might be, are still Zoras, not Rito.

Bolded are the things that are correct.

Even though it is likely that LoZ/AoL come on the AT, and OoX comes on the CT, they are still not proven. Therefore, we cannot assume they are correct. For example, I place OoX on the AT, after AoL. The only thing that is strongly against that placement is Twinrova, but she could be considered as a cameo anyway.

What is it with people saying things are proven nowadays, the only thing we know is the split:

------/WW/PH
OoT
------\MM - TP

Other than that, it is open to interpretation.

Quick note for the OP/Thread maker (perhaps theorists in general...):

Yes, I realise that you want to discuss the timeline that you think the creators have intended to be correct, but that is the entire point of timeline theorising: to find the intended timeline. The reason people have their own personal ideas/interpretations of the games is because the series is so unclear or open on so many subjects. Saying that your timeline is more intended than others is therefore wrong, as everyone's timeline is still trying to accomplish the general goal of finding the intended chronology.

Originally Posted by Viral

Even though it is likely that LoZ/AoL come on the AT, and OoX comes on the CT, they are still not proven. Therefore, we cannot assume they are correct. For example, I place OoX on the AT, after AoL. The only thing that is strongly against that placement is Twinrova, but she could be considered as a cameo anyway.

What is it with people saying things are proven nowadays, the only thing we know is the split:

------/WW/PH
OoT
------\MM - TP

Other than that, it is open to interpretation.

Quick note for the OP/Thread maker (perhaps theorists in general...):

Yes, I realise that you want to discuss the timeline that you think the creators have intended to be correct, but that is the entire point of timeline theorising: to find the intended timeline. The reason people have their own personal ideas/interpretations of the games is because the series is so unclear or open on so many subjects. Saying that your timeline is more intended than others is therefore wrong, as everyone's timeline is still trying to accomplish the general goal of finding the intended chronology.

Aiy aiy aiy!!!! Two things:

1) As per Twilight Princess, the Seven Sages - as they appear in the second half of OoT - don't exist on the child timeline, yet the towns in AoL are named for/after them. How isn't that proof that AoL, and by extension, LoZ, are intended, by the developers, to take place on the AT?

2) Up until the release of Twilight Princess, it wasn't entirely clear if the developers of the franchise had an official timeline, or intended there to BE an official timeline, which meant that it was left up to fans of the franchise to try and determine if there was a timeline, and what shape that timeline was supposed to take. Once TP came out and it was confirmed that there is indeed an official timeline, the purpose behind the creation of individual personal timeline theories changed; while personal timeline theories weren't invalidated outright by the establishment/confirmation that there is in fact an official timeline, they suddenly became only one avenue for possible theorizing/speculation, particularly given that, with the release of TP, at least part of the developers' official timeline was made clear and established. I maintain that there is enough information now available to determine the developers' intended official timeline, and discussion about it should therefore be valid.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

One thing about the Sages from OoT: they're not all men, which is the one discrepency that existed between that game and A Link to the Past. Twilight Princess corrected that discrepancy by introducing the Ancient Sages (who correlate more closely with the sages described in ALttP, and who ARE all men).

I'm already aware that the events depicted in the second half of OoT match the description of the Imprisoning War from ALttP very closely, but, as I already pointed out, they are also invalidated by the backstory of The Wind Waker, and I can't find anything in any of the other games that would remedy that situation.

Therefore, the most likely conclusion, despite what you want to believe, is that, as I've already demonstrated, the developers intend for ALttP to take place on the 'child' branch of the timeline.

BTW, I also thought of another piece of evidence to support the idea that the developers intend for ALttP to take place on the CT: the existence of Zoras. The developers have confirmed that they designed the Rito as the evolved form of the Zoras ,and the Rito only exist on the AT. In ALttP, the Zoras, evil though they might be, are still Zoras, not Rito.

But in TP, the zoras don't evolve at all, they only evolve in WW, meaning they can evolve further.

By the way, THEY'RE THE SAME SAGES. A SAGE IS A SAGE, YOU DON'T JUST REPLACE BECAUSE SOME RANDOM GUY GETS CAUGHT BEFORE KILLED.

By the way, the first Zelda and ALttP should be on the same timeline, CT OR AT, due to the zora thing, and Nintendo has stated that it is a prequil. Now, I know Nintendo corrected this, and now it's a sequel, but either way they're together on the same timeline, as Nintendo has basically spelled it out.