What's the argument for FS placement in between TP and ALttP?

Since it seems like TP bridges OoT/MM and ALttP fairly well, I was wondering what else FS adds to it?

so you mean: OoT - MM - TP - ALttp right?

Originally Posted by Exziron

so you mean: OoT - MM - TP - ALttp right?

The Angry Video Game Nerd will not like that at all LOL
You'll get it if you watched his videos on the Zelda Timeline haha

Your saying OoT- MM- TP - FS - Alttp? I have no clue how FS could fit there nor have I every played it and what about FSA? Where would that go?

FS is typically seen as happening shortly before FSA and featuring the same Link.

Since FSA is an explanation for TP Ganondorf's reincarnation to some people,
they make the timeline go:
OoT/MM - TP - FS/FSA - ALttP

FS doesn't really add anything, it's just a short game where Vaati breaks out of the
Four Sword, then is sealed back in for FSA. There is hardly any story to it at all.

I'm completely sure of FS/FSA placed on the AT, just because of the Force Gems appearing only in that side of the line and the POSSIBLE setting of MC after the flood.

Well, that's just my theory

I don't think FSA is related to aLttP anymore, perhaps at one point in development- but teatabling's a wonderful thing...

So yeah- I guess I agree with what little the first post provided

The main point is that those who place aLttP on the AT use FSA in between as opposed to TP, either way there's still a no longer dead Ganon in aLttP that goes unexplained with no games between TP and aLttP.

The Master Sword isn't everything!

Meh, despite the tea table, too many references to ALttP were left intact,
if they actually tried to disconnect it from ALttP they didn't pull it off at all.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Meh, despite the tea table, too many references to ALttP were left intact,
if they actually tried to disconnect it from ALttP they didn't pull it off at all.

The game would have been empty if they had to remove every reference. Note that the tea table happend very late in the development. The missing text dump is proof of this, and they also showed us that every removed text could be related to ALTTP story.

What's left is just a shell of already established Zelda references, with an story that deos not have to occur before ALTTP.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

The game would have been empty if they had to remove every reference. Note that the tea table happend very late in the development. The missing text dump is proof of this, and they also showed us that every removed text could be related to ALTTP story.

What's left is just a shell of already established Zelda references, with an story that deos not have to occur before ALTTP.

I have some problems with this.

The purpose of disconnecting FSA from ALttP is so that you can have
AT: WW - FSA
CT: TP - ALttP
Correct?

Otherwise you could have FSA - ALttP on either AT or CT...

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So if you accept:
AT: WW - FSA
CT: TP - ALttP

Then you have ALttP's desert dungeon in CT, and also in the AT after
Hyrule was flooded... that's one problem.

Second, you have to throw out the Palace of the Four Sword. FSA - ALttP
gives us a reason why we find the Four Sword in ALttP's Dark World. Since
Ganon was sealed in the Four Sword, it was taken with him when he entered
the Dark World.

Third, FSA acts as the explanation for Ganon's Trident in ALttP.

Fourth, the group of non-Gerudo thieves in FSA explain ALttP's
forest thieves and Dark World thieves, the greedy men who were
drawn to the Dark World.

Fifth, the dark clouds and weather disturbances tie in to the old
ALttP manual.

It is convenient to ignore all this, but what was left intact I see as clear
ties of FSA - ALttP, not an irrelevant shell.

Furthermore based on the removed Ganondorf quotes in TP, I would
say that the developers still had the TP - FSA - ALttP order in mind while
TP was being made, this would mean that the "tea table" did not clearly
establish a rule saying that FSA - ALttP is not so. This idea appears to be
in consideration, not an idea thrown out permanently back when FSA was
made...

The removal of the TP quotes may negate this, then again they may not have wished
to tie themselves down just yet, or maybe they didn't want that sort of
touch inserted at the point in the game for reasons of personal taste.

I don't understand what you said about the "missing text dump" if it's
missing, then how do you know what they changed?

Originally Posted by Cukeman

I have some problems with this.

The purpose of disconnecting FSA from ALttP is so that you can have
AT: WW - FSA
CT: TP - ALttP
Correct?

Pfft. Not according to my timeline, no. For me it's the Oldest Tale which is the purpose of the disconnecting. Note that when I talk about story connection to ALTTP in FSA I talk about IW. FSA is anything but the IW now, but it's story can still be related to ALTTP in different manner if it goes before OoT. Just the way some of you choce to have TMC first because you think Vaati being sealed in the FS puts him in a hiatus until the FS/FSA games. In my opinion its Ganon who gets put in an Hiatus, not Vaati.

Vaati hiatus: TMC-OoT/MM-TP-FS/FSA-ALTTP
Ganon hiatus: TMC-FS/FSA-OoT/MM-TP-ALTTP

Which is more likely? Also, argueing that there would have to be two Ganon is pointless, as they have their own orgin. This placement is also rather convenient considering the Gerudo.

Either way, I agree with most of your suggestion, though, not all of them can be applied. I mean, the DW in FSA has nothing to do with the SR, which is what the DW was transformed from in ALTTP.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

I don't understand what you said about the "missing text dump" if it's
missing, then how do you know what they changed?

I meant text missing in the game itself, but it still exist in the text dump. Just like the Ganondorf quote about returning in TP.

So you do believe that FSA comes before ALttP like I do,
the only difference is that you put games between FSA and ALttP and I don't.

Is it possible that FSA was going to be post-WW and the tea-table turned it into
a CT game? Just asking because the only removed text I am currently aware of refers
to finding the Master Sword in the forest, and this could just mean you no longer
go to that part of the forest... maybe you know a site that posts all the removed text?

i always thought it was...
WW-PH-ST-OoX-TMC-FS-FSA.
i havnt finished ALttP ;_;