Four Swords/Adventures - pre-OoT, child timeline or adult timeline?

Nerushi has evidence for Four Swords/Advetnures happening before Ocarina of Time, Potent and a few others have evidence for Four Swords/Advetnures happening on the adult timeline, and if you're a Cukeman and or/follower, you put Four Swords/Advetnures. Or you might just be an anti-new Hyrule theorizing activist (Spirit Tracks would like a word with you).

So, where do you personally think Four Swords/Advetnures go: pre, child timeline or adult timeline?

Pre = Nerushi
Child = Cukeman
Adult = Potent

I want to know so that me and Potent can see what placment gets the most votes and therefore, it the most believed timeline placment for Four Swords/Adventures.

P.s. we want this to be a poll, but it might not work... whenever me or Potent try to make a poll, it just doesn't do it... It just posts and doesn't ask what damn poll questions we want.

1. This is just a quick ruse trying to justify the an 'Most belived = Most probable' argument.
2. Most belived ≠ Most probable. If the vote of an outsiders who might not even care is equal to an active theorizer, then there no way there can be any justification behind this.
3. Why are you talking to yourself Potent?

Adult Timeline. FSA comes directly before LttP, and The Adult portion of OoT is the Seal War that leads into LttP. LttP and FSA are possible after TWW because Link and Tetra found the "new Hyrule" (surely I don't have to explain that theory).

Also, I agree with the above post, most popular =/= best option. You can check the Theorists of ZU sticky for some stats on peoples timelines (such as whether people place most games on the AT or CT etc etc).

Originally Posted by Viral

Adult Timeline. FSA comes directly before LttP, and The Adult portion of OoT is the Seal War that leads into LttP. LttP and FSA are possible after TWW because Link and Tetra found the "new Hyrule" (surely I don't have to explain that theory).

Also, I agree with the above post, most popular =/= best option. You can check the Theorists of ZU sticky for some stats on peoples timelines (such as whether people place most games on the AT or CT etc etc).

There is that many posts there that it would be impossible for me or Potent to count the most popular placments of games, so poll is the best option.

By the way... I don't remember saying anything about most popular = most probable... We just want to see what is the most believed placment, as it is interesting to know what the most popular placments are. :S

I voted adult timeline although I'm not completly oposed to it being pre OoT. The only thing that seems doubtfull to me is that FSA happens after TP.

On one hand, while I haven't gotten too deep into the FSS, I thought there were Zora in it. If so, it can't be on the AT after WW.

BUUUUUT, there are clues leading to it being on the AT. I'm more of a geography and race kind of theorist.

There isn't any Zora in it. River Zoras exist, however. But they were introduced to the post-flood world in Phantom Hourglass, sothat makes the placment stronger.

To me I would say Child Timeline, the fact that there is a Dark World in FSA makes me believe that it comes after OoT(I also believe in there only being 1 Sacred Realm), the way it fits nicely before ALttP and the fact that the Master Sword was lost underneath the Ocean in WW, and that the Four Sword and the MS were shown to be two different swords in ALttP makes me believe that it happens on the Child Timeline.

pre-Oo... whaat?

How the hell do you come to that conclusion when FSA has such obvious ties to ALttP, not to mention the problem it creates with ganon being back in OoT? I demand an explanation!

In my mind...

OOT-WW/PH--TMC-FS/FSA-ALTTP
/MM-TP

...is unshakable.

OOT & TP: Hyrules are obviously the same
FSA & ALTTP: Hyrules are obviously the same
ALTTP & TP: Hyrules are obviously different

WW BS is the only phenomenon stated in-game that can explain this, further reinforced by the insular Hyrule of FSA.

IMO
Geography
V
Master Sword

I place FSA on the CT because I see it as the prequel to ALttP,
tying into my theory of OoT...TP...ALttP.

I assume that Four Swords is the same Link in FSA since FSA Link
"must know what will happen" when he draws the Four Sword. Also,
FSA Link already knows Zelda, much like FS Link.

If FSA Link is not FS Link, then I could go for MC...FS...OoT...FSA

I am pretty open with FS, although I lean towards FSA Link = FS Link

I place FSA on the AT, after TMC and FS.
pre-OoT is barely possible because FS and TMC have to come before FSA...

Originally Posted by Viral

Adult Timeline. FSA comes directly before LttP, and The Adult portion of OoT is the Seal War that leads into LttP.

I also believe "FSA comes directly before LttP", but I have a slight difference
of opinion on the meaning of OoT.

When it's stated that OoT is meant to show how Ganon was sealed in
the Sacred Realm (explaining the ALttP manual) I fully agree. The OoT
sealing of Ganon is the part of the ALttP manual where Ganon was sealed.

Apart from Ganon being sealed away, however, none of the other surrounding
facts of the ALttP manual are evident in OoT.
- no one dies while the sages cast their seal
- no mention of any knights of hyrule
- evil is thrown into the SR, not prevented from coming out of the SR
Therefore I believe that OoT only shows the sealing of Ganon,
and further, this seal is not the seal we find in ALttP.

The ALttP manual story has two parts:
- sealing of (OoT) Ganon (evil thrust into the SR)
- knights die to protect sages sealing away evil (coming out of the SR)

So, the second part of the story explains the seal in ALttP.

I believe that these two stories became one by the time of ALttP.
The idea that the ALttP legend is intact on the AT is even harder
to accept because of the Great Sea & flooding of Hyrule.

Further, WW breaks the seal making the claim that ALttP features
the OoT seal truly incredulous.

This is even more apparent in light of the changes made to GBA ALttP.

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This is why I go for OoT...TP...FSA...ALttP on the CT
The ALttP seal is better explained by these events:
- interloper conflict
- FSA Ganon seal

I fully realize that FSA does not seal Ganon in the SR, but it does feature
knights of hyrule (unlike OoT). I believe that FSA Ganon went directly
from his FSA seal to the Sacred Realm, taking the Four Sword with him.

Agahnim broke the seal on the SR (caused by the interlopers), but after
the SR was open, Ganon still needed to break the seal of the FSA maidens,
that was cast to keep Ganon from returning to Hyrule.

This explains why Ganon can't leave the SR after Agahnim breaks the
SR seal. ALttP clearly states that Ganon cannot leave the SR despite
Agahnim's actions. Further actions are needed.

TP makes the obvious timeline connection to ALTTP by having the Master Sword left in the Sacred Grove. If you have ALTTP on the adult timeline, please explain, without fanfiction about the Master Sword being reforged or recovered, how the Master Sword goes from being stuck in Ganondorf's skull at the bottom of the Great Sea to resting in the Lost Woods for ALTTP. TP explains this perfectly.

Master Sword >>>>> Geography

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

pre-Oo... whaat?

How the hell do you come to that conclusion when FSA has such obvious ties to ALttP, not to mention the problem it creates with ganon being back in OoT? I demand an explanation!

Funny, I don't recall there being two FSA's to coincide with your two aLttPs in your timeline. What happened to those obvious ties

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

pre-Oo... whaat?

How the hell do you come to that conclusion when FSA has such obvious ties to ALttP, not to mention the problem it creates with ganon being back in OoT? I demand an explanation!

1. Supported by developers quote. You ask Aonuma how he came to that conclusion. Whether you or anyone else wants to belive it, Pre-OoT is the MOST probable placement for FSA, because its an placement suggested by the creators themselves. Either way, I'll try offer some insight.

2. Obvious ties are rather non-obvious when you look at how much closer FSA really could be i.e. textdumps missing ingame shows signs of FSA actually being IW, however, that idea was scratched. Nothing in FSA suggest that there even an need for it to happen directly before ALTTP. However, there is a need for it to be close to OoT, with races such as Gerudo and Deku being present, or Goron living on Death Mountain ( DM part is the most important ).

3. As FSA itself proves, OoT Ganon ≠ FSA Ganon. Nothing anyone has to say about it changes this fact. One could argue that one is the reincarnation of the other one, but that's unimplied and just an assumptation based on nothing. Also, FSA Ganon is sealed in the Four Sword, while OoT Ganon dies. The big question being, why would FSA Ganon be sealed in FS, rather than the SR, if it really happend before ALTTP?

1. Supported by developers quote. You ask Aonuma how he came to that conclusion.

A quote before the game was finished. A game that, according to Aonuma was "changed all the way to the very end".

He also once said that TP was in between OoT and WW, and later that it was after WW. Don't take a quote seriously if it's pre-release. Especially if that game was "changed all the way to the very end".

In the Adult Timeline.

Why? Because of the theory of the New Hyrule and the presence of Force Gems.

If my memory is not bad, the origin of Force Gems is explained in PH.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

A quote before the game was finished. A game that, according to Aonuma was "changed all the way to the very end".

It's almost funny how misinformed you are. The interview itself was made in March 2004. Now when was FSA released in Japan? Oh right, March 2004. Yes, obviously the game wasn't finished, at the time of it's release.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

He also once said that TP was in between OoT and WW, and later that it was after WW. Don't take a quote seriously if it's pre-release. Especially if that game was "changed all the way to the very end".

No kidding. The difference here being that Aonuma stated that FSA was the oldest tale just some days before its release. It's more likely that the oldest tale statement was made by the "change until the end", as FSA showed signs of being IW but then "Mr. Miyamoto then came in and upended the teatable... we changed the story around quite a bit..."

Edit: Did my homework and it seems that the oldest tale statement and the changed until the end are both from the same ******* interview. They both came from the 'Game Developers Conference in March 2004', just released at different points. There goes your argument out of the window.

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