Four Swords/Adventures - pre-OoT, child timeline or adult timeline?

Originally Posted by Nerushi

Same reasoning goes for FSA. I find it very hard to belive that they would forget a key figure as Ganon. I.e. There is no information about Ganondorf in FSA other than him being a Gerudo, told by the Red Maiden. She couldn't belive that someone would worship a desert nomad or that he would be the king of darkness.

On the childtimeline Ganon never revelead himself to the masses much, we don't know how well he was known after TP.

On the adult timeline thousands of years and a flood would seperate OoT Ganondorf and the new FSA Ganondorf.

Both sides don't produce greater issues concerning how well known Ganondorf is.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

No. I don't think FSA was originally meant to be the oldest tale. It was forced there after Miyamoto involvement, though. As FSA no longer fill the role of IW, it doesn't have to happen directly before ALTTP

gotcha

Same reasoning goes for FSA. I find it very hard to belive that they would forget a key figure as Ganon. I.e. There is no information about Ganondorf in FSA other than him being a Gerudo, told by the Red Maiden. She couldn't belive that someone would worship a desert nomad or that he would be the king of darkness.

If FSA falls in the AT post-flood ( and especially if it's in a New Hyrule) then it'd be a lot easier to forget such things.

But that's a minor detail, tbh. I'd still say the major reason for putting OoT first is because it seems to fall short after the creation of Hyrule. I just don't see a prosperous Hylian kingdom before Hyrule was unified before OoT. But I admit it's not impossible.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

If FSA falls in the AT post-flood ( and especially if it's in a New Hyrule) then it'd be a lot easier to forget such things.

But if FSA in any way connects to ALTTP as a prequel or even distant prequel, it can't be on the Adult timeline, because ALTTP, because of the state of the Master Sword, cannot take place post-tWW or pre-tWW. But that's not really what we're debating.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Hmmm... Looks like we can throw TMC-FS-OoT.....-FSA out the window.

Just wondering, but wouldn't that also apply to TMC being first, but FS/FSA happening sometime after OoT? It has the same exact graphical style as FS and FSA. If so, I can only see all of the Four Swords trilogy being together and not being separated by other games (TMC-FS/FSA before OoT, on the CT, or on the AT post-flood).

Originally Posted by Potent Col

Quoted for awesome Pinecove-loving truth.

Wait- why wouldn't anyone think my timeline was serious? :/

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Beats me, that's a pretty decent timeline.

Well I was just wondering, I mean it has AST and FPTRR.. I mean.. you might as well add Brawl too. I don't think AST is canon because you can choose to be a girl or a boy... and he wears a baseball cap :|
and FPTRR is a Tingle game where you pick Ruppees for fun right? which has nothing to do with the Zelda Timeline. Correct me if I'm wrong.
(if there really is a deeper "Story" in Tingles game.)

and also, FSA can't go Before OoT at all. Becasue the creator of the Legend of Zelda series confirmed in an interview that OoT is the first game to mention ganonganon in the timline. Miyamoto also mentioned that OoT was intended to be the first Game in the timline.. and if you want proof, I'll find it

^ AST is still debatable for some theorists since it doesn't contradict any existing games. Personally, I don't consider it canon, but I don't really have a problem with those who do.

About that 1st Ganon in OoT quote, can you provide a source? I don't think I've heard of it before...

AST was mentioned in the Zelda no Video documentary, there's not really a reason to think it's not canon.

@Nerushi from awhile ago
Good find on the quote dates Nerushi. I won't ***** and moan about it

However, I still don't take that quot every seriously on the basis that:
A: He had no involvement in FS
B: His involvement in the story of FSA was completely changed by Miyamoto.

Originally Posted by Potent

Quoted for awesome Pinecove-loving truth.

Awww you do love me.

Originally Posted by Double C

I'm going to have to ask Pinecove what his Timeline is.

Check my personal points of controversy on ZI. My timeline is as it's always been (LoZ before OoX etc) but I'm thinking of switching. Not sure yet.

Originally Posted by TotG

You obviously weren't here when Pinecove changed it like once a month

Originally Posted by Potent

Palace of the Four Sword isn't much the do with the storyline of A Link to the Past. It was added mainly as a bonus gameply thing with the re-release of A Link to the Past combined with Four Swords.

Sure it does. It shows that the dark world is completely obliterated near the end of the game. I think it's a bit hypocritical when you only consider some things Canon along with Semi Canon.

It's either Canon or it isn't. There's no inbetween/picking and choosing.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

but I guess it was a quick attempt to confuse me. Well that's rather obvious since no one did properly respond to it.

Yes. Because I just love confusing people and not searching for the truth. Because I'm a close minded jerk who's baised as hell and wants to crush theorizing in an open rebellion. Because I'm pinecove. Bow before me, I'm a big grouch. /sarcasm

Originally Posted by Hombre

eh, what else... precense of Moon Pearls

Hmmm...possibly. Arguable, but I'd go more with the official art seal argument then with the moon pearls. We don't know about the MGW to the fullest extent. It could be the DW of ALttP, or it could be the TC. It could be something created by the mirror. Who knows.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

No. I don't think FSA was originally meant to be the oldest tale. It was forced there after Miyamoto involvement, though. As FSA no longer fill the role of IW, it doesn't have to happen directly before ALTTP,

Ah but the "first game" quote was made AFTER ALttP was released and before the teatable was turned over.

Originally Posted by Jarsh

Just wondering, but wouldn't that also apply to TMC being first, but FS/FSA happening sometime after OoT? It has the same exact graphical style as FS and FSA. If so, I can only see all of the Four Swords trilogy being together and not being separated by other games (TMC-FS/FSA before OoT, on the CT, or on the AT post-flood).

Depends on how you veiw the MC BS.

Except FSA has multiple Moon Pearls that open up portals.
aLttP has one Moon Pearl that has been prophesied to be used by the Hero, and according to the item collection it is "protects the Hero" (Japanese)

This is the only time it doesn't say "it protects you/me" in reference to Link, but specifically says it's for the Hero.

The Moon Pearls of FSA can be used by anyone. They aren't the same.

and also, FSA can't go Before OoT at all. Becasue the creator of the Legend of Zelda series confirmed in an interview that OoT is the first game to mention ganonganon in the timline. Miyamoto also mentioned that OoT was intended to be the first Game in the timline.. and if you want proof, I'll find it

That only works if FSA predates that interview

Originally Posted by Double C

That only works if FSA predates that interview

It doesn't.

Originally Posted by Potent Col

Palace of the Four Sword isn't much the do with the storyline of A Link to the Past. It was added mainly as a bonus gameply thing with the re-release of A Link to the Past combined with Four Swords.

so if FPTRRL was a sidequest in OoX, you would not consider it canon?

Except FSA has multiple Moon Pearls that open up portals.
aLttP has one Moon Pearl that has been prophesied to be used by the Hero, and according to the item collection it is "protects the Hero" (Japanese)

This is the only time it doesn't say "it protects you/me" in reference to Link, but specifically says it's for the Hero.

The Moon Pearls of FSA can be used by anyone. They aren't the same.

They produce different effects but they have the same effect in all....if that makes sense.

After Ocarina of Time--On the adult timeline!

Originally Posted by Exziron

Well I was just wondering, I mean it has AST and FPTRR.. I mean.. you might as well add Brawl too.

Brawl has nothing to do with the Zelda developers, nor does it feature e real story that releates to anything in the Zelda series.

I don't think AST is canon because you can choose to be a girl or a boy... and he wears a baseball cap :|

Wether you are a boy or girl is automatically choosen by the gender you picked when using the stellaview add on for the first time.
He wears a baseball cap because both the girl and the boy come from "our world/ the future". The intro showes them being warped to Hyrule by a flash of light similar to the events of OoX.

and FPTRR is a Tingle game where you pick Ruppees for fun right?which has nothing to do with the Zelda Timeline. Correct me if I'm wrong.
(if there really is a deeper "Story" in Tingles game.)

Since 2 of the tingle games are RPGs there obviously is a deeper story than that. You should really infom yourself beforehand.
In FPTRRL you collect rupees by going through dungeons and beating bosses, along the way you meet alot of characters with their individual stories. The ultimate goal is to collect enough rupees for Uncle Rupee who promised to lead timgle to rupeeland, a place that he describes as a paradise. That's only scratching the surface of the story though.


Not claiming thatthey have to be canon though.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

They produce different effects but they have the same effect in all....if that makes sense.

I disagree, but you already knew that

Of coarse.

I'll make my final desision on the matter once Lex and I are done our research.

Originally Posted by Link92

TP makes the obvious timeline connection to ALTTP by having the Master Sword left in the Sacred Grove.

And the MS is at the bottom of the Great Sea after WW. No more Master Sword after WW.

If you have ALTTP on the adult timeline, please explain

It talks about the Hero of Time traversing through time.

Also, Geography >>>>>>>>MS.
Case in point OoX

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

It talks about the Hero of Time traversing through time.

Not really. In fact, it never mentions "Hero of Time" or "time travel" at all. And even back when OoT was new, the Seal War was never accurately depicted. In fact, the story of Ganon rediscovering the Sacred Realm doesn't appear to take place in any game.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

Also, Geography >>>>>>>>MS.

Lol wut? The developers didn't even attempt to connect the geography of OoT to LoZ/AoL, and yet Miyamoto said the order was OoT--LoZ--ALTTP. In fact, the developers didn't appear to pay any attention whatsoever to connecting the geography of the games until after OoT.

The Master Sword is far more important, because its location doesn't change because of new technology, whereas geography does. Newer games have the technology for the geography to be farther apart and more open, whereas the Master Sword is a significant storyline element.