Cementing AoL on the CT

In the AoL backstory a sleeping spell is cast on Zelda. Afterwards, her older
brother "ordered that every female child born into the royal household shall be given the
name Zelda".

There are those who claim that the aforementioned Zelda was not the first
princess to have the name of Zelda. I contend that the theory of a previous
princess named Zelda creates an anticlimax that is not only unnecessary,
but impertinent in that in does not give the proper respect to the AoL
backstory, and undermines the backstory's intent.

I respectfully request that we do not discuss this debate at this time, because
the purpose of this thread is only to discuss what it means if I am correct
about this being the first princess to have the name Zelda.

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1 - If this is the first princess to be named Zelda, then we have two options:

(1A) - either the AoL backstory occurs before OoT
(1B) - OoT Zelda is the princess in the AoL backstory

I would be reluctant to conclude that (1B) is correct, because there is no
evidence that OoT Zelda has an older brother. Furthermore, the prince
in the backstory "could inherit the Triforce only in part", he then "searched
everywhere for the missing parts, but could not find them".

In (1B) The prince's father (the OoT king) could not have used the Triforce
directly, because the Triforce rested in the Sacred Realm at the beginning of
Ocarina of Time; then Hyrule Castle and its king were eliminated by Ganondorf.
I don't need to remind you that in OoT Ganondorf was the one who laid his
hands on the Triforce, not the king.

Even if the king in the backstory used the parts indirectly, (1B) is still not likely
because the prince "searched everywhere for the missing parts". In Ocarina of Time
Zelda knows that the Triforce is in the Sacred Realm guarded by the Temple of
Time. This knowledge is "passed down by the Royal Family of Hyrule"; if Zelda knew
it, so would her older brother.

If you take the AoL backstory literally, as I do, (1B) just doesn't fit.

If (1A) is correct, then the first Zelda is distanced from the events in OoT
which concern her OoT-era namesake, also the king's connection to the
Triforce is left open and vague, the Royal Family may have had a direct or
indirect connection to the Triforce before OoT. The royal crest may be an
indication of such a connection.

2 - If you accept (1A) then we have established that the AoL backstory took
place before the split, i.e. in the Hyrule which was beneath the Great Sea in
The Wind Waker.

This is very interesting because the North Castle could only survive the flood
(the flood caused by Daphnes' Triforce wish) if it was located on a mountaintop.
The islands you explore in The Wind Waker are said to be the tops of mountains.

If North Castle is not on a mountaintop, then a CT placement of AoL is
heavily implicated. Even if we accept the theory that the level of the Great
Sea was lowered to the point where Hyrule could once more be explored,
the buildings would still be in ruin due to the flooding of Daphnes' wish.

Can it be geographically proven that North Castle is on a mountaintop?
I would have to say no. Judging by the maps of LoZ and AoL, the North
Castle, as well as most of the territory of LoZ are located at the base of
Death Mountain:

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What will be said in opposition to my opening post:

Post 1: "AoL backstory Zelda wasn't the first princess to have that name."
Answer: Then there is no reason to accept anything I said. I already
acknowledged this point in the OP: "I respectfully request that we do
not discuss this debate at this time" because the purpose of this thread
is discussing what it means if the AoL backstory Zelda IS the first
princess to bear that name.

Post 2: "After WW, Hyrule was restored by a Triforce wish, explaining
how the North Castle is intact in an AT AoL setting."
Answer: Evidence?

Post 3: "LoZ/AoL ("New" Hyrule) are islands on the Great Sea."
Answer: North Castle has to be a part of "Old" Hyrule because the
AoL backstory predates the OoT timeline split. If you disagree you are in
the wrong thread (see Post 1).

For the LoZ/AoL Hyrule to be surrounded by the Great Sea then "Old" Hyrule is:
- restored (already considered - no evidence)
- drained of water (already considered - still in ruins from the flood)
- lifted from the ocean floor by Deku Tree roots (still in ruins from the flood)
- new land above "Old" Hyrule (error - North Castle is pre-split [see Post 1])

Of these choices, I wish to discuss 'new land above "Old" Hyrule' in further
detail. If this is new land above Hyrule, then it is not at the base of Death
Mountain, it is somewhere above the base, meaning that the mountains
do not rise as high above the ground as they did in "Old" Hyrule. Of course,
the new land theory can't feature North Castle unless North Castle resided
on a mountaintop.

Post 4: "North Castle is on a mountaintop, surviving the flood."
Answer: Evidence? North Castle is on flatland in the LoZ/AoL map.
Although this flatland could be claimed as a mountaintop, North Castle has
never been pictured on any map besides AoL, which means we have no proof
that, at one time, North Castle's elevation was much higher than Hyrule
Castle's. Claiming that OoX's Hyrule Castle is North Castle cannot be proven.

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Considering the difficulties in placing AoL on the AT in a post-flood world,
and given that AoL's backstory is pre-split (see Post 1). I strongly feel that
a CT placement of LoZ/AoL is most natural.

Basically, if the AoL backstory is pre-split (because it starts the naming
tradition) then we know that North Castle in the backstory is still in its
original location in LoZ/AoL.

And if the original location is at the base of Death Mountain in the AoL
backstory, then it is at the same elevation of OoT and TP Hyrule. This
is because the AoL backstory predates OoT.

Grounding North Castle at the same elevation of OoT/TP Hyrule means
that AoL is on the CT, because an AT placement would either result in the
North Castle being flooded and turned into ruins, or it would result in some
kind of "restoration" of Hyrule to its pre-flood condition after Daphnes
made his wish to flood Hyrule, which I find extremely unlikely.

I originally thought this too, but now I choose to believe that Zelda's are just named that and that it happened somewhere after the flood. Then again, I once placed it aroud the OoA in the past, so I'm not sure myself.

If 1a is true, that could put AoL on the AT. In such an occasion, how did the tradition survive the flood? Answer is it didn't, as proven by Tetra. Whatever family she was from is of royal family descent, but isn't a royal family anymore due to the destruction of Hyrule. There is the possibility of she begins the main royal family post flood, or the North Castle family takes over the bloodline. But that would leave Tetra out, when she's the head of the head family.

But where does the tradition come from post flood since no one remembers why all females in the family are named Zelda? And I'd like to point out that North Castle are north of Death Mountains. Well, more northeast. Somewhere where the Ocean King is/will be someday. Answer is somewhere after Tetra, the tradition was reinstated.

But why would they reinstate the tradition? There's no reason. NO one knows why it's a tradition. Meaning they found the old decree in old Hyrule [possibly due to flood recession r otherwise], or it happened post Tetra on the AT

Other option: The "First princess Zelda" could refer to the first Zelda in New Hyrule, or the first Zelda in the tradition. I believe the former.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Other option: The "First princess Zelda" could refer to the first Zelda in New Hyrule, or the first Zelda in the tradition. I believe the former.

Both of which, if on the AT, happen post Tetra.

The sleping princess zelda is zelda from ALTTP.

Wasn't she named Tetra so that Ganondorf wouldn't find her?

Both of which, if on the AT, happen post Tetra

In the new land.

Other option is Lexi's theory which is Zelda = OoT but I prefer to stay away from that topic.

Originally Posted by smallville boy

The sleping princess zelda is zelda from ALTTP.

Only because you say so...

^SVB believes in micro chronologies, not an overall timeline.

Originally Posted by Potent Col

Only because you say so...

ALTTP-LA/OOX-LOZ-AOL

The first zelda in the Old/classic chronology, the slepping princess zelda is zelda from ALTTP.

ALTTP-LA/OOX-LOZ-AOL

Wouldn't OoX make more sense after AoL because of titles?

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Wouldn't OoX make more sense after AoL because of titles?

I don't really care about the placement of OOX, they may have theire own chronology. I only put theme in that place because the fact that the triforce is in hyrule castle at the begining of the game and link at the end leave holodorum and labrynnia in boat.

It's in Hyrule castle at the end of AoL too.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

It's in Hyrule castle at the end of AoL too.

Yeah i know, but the boat thing have more significanse than others, i accep that OOX can fit after AOL as well.

And Ganon's followers are trying to revive him during the Oracles, are they not? This was exactly the case after he died in The Legend of Zelda, meaning the events in the Oracles are continuing from where The Advetnure of Link left off: followers trying to bring Ganon back from his The Legend of Zelda death.

OoX is rather off-topic, but I believe that OoX revives ALttP Ganon for LoZ/AoL.
(Ganon returns after OoX because Link didn't use Silver Arrows)

Originally Posted by Potent Col

And Ganon's followers are trying to revive him during the Oracles, are they not? This was exactly the case after he died in The Legend of Zelda, meaning the events in the Oracles are continuing from where The Advetnure of Link left off: followers trying to bring Ganon back from his The Legend of Zelda death.

He die at the end of ALTTP.

How does the sleeping princess even survive the flood anyways?

I would say that the Aol BS happens before the split, since we have multiple Zeldas on each side of the timeline.

Originally Posted by smallville boy

He die at the end of ALTTP.

He died at the end of The Legend of Zelda, too. Something simply fits with the Oracles following The Adventure of Link.

Oh noes!