Zeldaduderox's LEGIT timeline for 2009

Originally Posted by bitterlime

Twilit_Hylian, AST is not AlttP. It has a very different plot and even states itself that it comes 6 years after ALttP.
Wheter or not it is canon is a discussion that can be dragged on for ages. I say it doesn't conflict with anything from the confirmed canon, and was mention in the official "Zeruda no densetsu" documentary. I simply don't see a reason to deem it non canon.
It merely changes your timeline from ALttP-LA to ALttp-AST/LA.
And if you support OoX-LA then it probably would get you into ALttP-OoX-LA/AST. Which I also see no bigger issues with since since 6 years are enough time to shove in th oracle games.

I believe in ALttP-OoA[P-]LA-OoX. And if I were to shove AST in there, it'd come after OoX.

1. Because only Link can use the Master Sword.
2. A game created solely on the purpose of fanservice doesn't seem to be a good reason to deem it canon.

1. Because only Link can use the Master Sword.

Baseless assumption, WW shows that Zelda can hold it and should thus be able to "use" it, AST (if you see it as canon) shows that the hero of that game can use it too. If only Link could use it security measures like the ones in WW,OoT and ALttP would be completly unneeded.

2. A game created solely on the purpose of fanservice doesn't seem to be a good reason to deem it canon.

I think you should inform yourself more about AST. It's not more fanservice than any other Zelda game.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Alright, I don't know if anyone has read my earlier timeline that I made, but I now realize it's gibberish. Now I've thought hard and well, and decided to make a new one. Until the next Zelda game is realesed, this will be correct.

We'll see about that.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Now, for those of you who say, "Minish Cap came first because that's when Link got his cap!" You are wrong, oh so wrong.

Ocarinahero10?

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

It says on Wikipedia, Zeldapedia, and Zelda Wiki (Three sources) that Ocarina of Time is intended to be at the beginning of the timeline. If you still think Minish Cap comes first, that is a totally different incarnation of Link, and he just got his cap a different way. So there's my evidence behind Ocarina of Time coming first in the timeline.

Never ever ever ever EVER use Wikis. They are totally incorrect in so many ways, especially Zelda Wiki and Wikipedia. Those are not sources. Any idiot can go in there and say whatever they want.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Ganon, eventually is killed but his incarnations will eventually come back. And Ganondorf, Ganon's human form, is still living up to the end of A Link to the Past. At the end of the game, Link recovers the triforce which teleports him into two seperate worlds. These games would end up to be Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons.

Total fanfiction. And no games featuring the Master Sword as a major storyline element can come after ALTTP. And no game featuring Link can take place between OoT and tWW.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

This ends up to be Wind Waker, where the Master Sword is still in play and Link eventually kills Ganon/Ganondorf. Turning Ganondorf to stone and burying him under the sea.

I'd like to hear your explanation for how the Master Sword goes from being in the Lost Woods to being in Hyrule Castle, ocarinahero.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Anyway, post-Majora's Mask Link assumably get's Lost in the Lost Woods and gets killed.

NO! NO NO NO! HE DID NOT DIE IN THE LOST WOODS! HIS BLOODLINE CONTINUES IN TP AND HE HAD TO GIVE THE GORONS THE HERO'S BOW! HE'S TRAVELED THROUGH THE WOODS COUNTLESS TIMES WITH NO PROBLEMS! And besides, nothing in the Lost Woods has the ability to kill Link.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

One interesting character is the Hero's Shade who teaches Link various "special" attacks. The Hero's Shade is possibly Link from Ocarina of Time. Remember earlier where I said Link get's lost in the Lost Woods? Well he turns into a stalfos from that, and the Hero's Shade is a skeletal figure.

It never occurred to you that he could have died of natural causes well into adulthood?

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

He also has what appears to be the gilded sword and the mirror shield from Majora's Mask.

No, he most certainly does not.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

At the final teaching for Link and his final words, he says, "Go and do not falter, my child." Which could either mean his studend or possibly his father. If he were his father then who would his mother be?

The quote could easily mean grandson or student. The real evidence we have is the "blood relatives of the hero" and the "our bloodline" quotes.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Well the most likely woman that hasn't turned into a sage is Malon, who could or couldn't be Link's father in Twilight Princess. This is just a speculation.

Nobody Link knew as a child ever turned into sages on the child timeline. And if Link died in the Lost Woods, as you so ignorantly suggest, when could he ever have slept with Malon? And the games are hundreds of years apart. TP Link is a descendant of the Hero's Shade, not his son.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

The next game in the timeline is Minish Cap, where the Master Sword is destroyed and is reforged into the four sword. This is why Minish Cap can't be at the beginning of the timeline because Ocarina of Time contains the Master Sword.

Oh for god's sake, the Master Sword was never destroyed, and it certainly isn't the Four Sword.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Adult Timeline: OoT--ALttP--OoA/OoS--WW--PH--LA
Child Timeline: OoT--MM--TP--Zelda: Wii--MC--FS/FSA--LoZ--AoL

No. Ocarinahero, go back to youtube where all of those gullible morons believe you. It's not going to work here. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Link92

We'll see about that.
Never ever ever ever EVER use Wikis. They are totally incorrect in so many ways, especially Zelda Wiki and Wikipedia. Those are not sources. Any idiot can go in there and say whatever they want.

I would truly be amazed if you could go through a single thread without mentioning, let alone criticizing wikis. And I realize you're in a pissy mood because your edits were reverted, but I would think, considering you're ranting about how their information is incorrect, that you yourself would actually put reliable information.

Originally Posted by Stεvε

I would truly be amazed if you could go through a single thread without mentioning, let alone criticizing wikis. And I realize you're in a pissy mood because your edits were reverted, but I would think, considering you're ranting about how their information is incorrect, that you yourself would actually put reliable information.

Not this again. Why is it so hard to accept that a wiki of any type is not the most reliable resource of information? Actually, scratch that, they're good for looking up information (that's their purpose), but not good to use as a source for debates. For debates, I think we should go straight to the source (interviews, manuals, in-game text, etc).

Originally Posted by Link92

Oh for god's sake, the Master Sword was never destroyed, and it certainly isn't the Four Sword.

Maybe by "destroyed" he meant what happened to it at the end of TWW? So, xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz, are you saying the Master Sword was salvaged in a damaged state then reforged? Am I getting that right?

Originally Posted by Jarsh

Not this again. Why is it so hard to accept that a wiki of any type is not the most reliable resource of information? Actually, scratch that, they're good for looking up information (that's their purpose), but not good to use as a source for debates. For debates, I think we should go straight to the source (interviews, manuals, in-game text, etc).

Because people are never uncertain, never lie, and never make mistakes.
Yes, that is how the world works. How could I have been so paranoid as to think that someone might be hiding something from me, and that someone might not know what the future holds! Oh, I was so blind before, you have shown me the light!

Originally Posted by Stεvε

I would truly be amazed if you could go through a single thread without mentioning, let alone criticizing wikis. And I realize you're in a pissy mood because your edits were reverted, but I would think, considering you're ranting about how their information is incorrect, that you yourself would actually put reliable information.

nice ad hominem. I think the point is that Wikis are edited by biased individuals anonymously, and that neutral yet informed developers are far preferable sources of information?

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Because people are never uncertain, never lie, and never make mistakes.
Yes, that is how the world works. How could I have been so paranoid as to think that someone might be hiding something from me, and that someone might not know what the future holds! Oh, I was so blind before, you have shown me the light!

the same goes for you.

Originally Posted by Slagr

EDIT:

the same goes for you.

The problem with your little "Wikis are edited by biased people" thing is that, well... Everything is. People don't wish to trust wikis, but will put vast amounts of trust into websites that they randomly find through a search engine, even though they know nothing about who has wrote that website or who has ever edited it's words.

Originally Posted by Slagr

nice ad hominem. I think the point is that Wikis are edited by biased individuals anonymously, and that neutral yet informed developers are far preferable sources of information?

People patrol and delete biased, untrue statements that are on Zelda Wiki. Try again.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

People patrol and delete biased, untrue statements that are on Zelda Wiki. Try again.

This, also.

Originally Posted by Anubis

The problem with your little "Wikis are edited by biased people" thing is that, well... Everything is. People don't wish to trust wikis, but will put vast amounts of trust into websites that they randomly find through a search engine, even though they know nothing about who has wrote that website or who has ever edited it's words.

developer quotes and games are not biased. That's why I base my timeline on them.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

People patrol and delete biased, untrue statements that are on Zelda Wiki. Try again.

I never said anything about untrue statements. If a wiki accurately said "OoT is the SW" then it was correct at least at one time, but without even acknowledging the opposing argument, it becomes a biased statement. I know most wikis do address the opposition, but this is just an example. The "OoT is first" is another.

Originally Posted by Anubis

The problem with your little "Wikis are edited by biased people" thing is that, well... Everything is. People don't wish to trust wikis, but will put vast amounts of trust into websites that they randomly find through a search engine, even though they know nothing about who has wrote that website or who has ever edited it's words.

That's not a problem if you use the words of the developers themselves. Or the in-game text that some random internet-er can't edit within the game.

Originally Posted by Slagr

developer quotes and games are not biased. That's why I base my timeline on them.



I never said anything about untrue statements. If a wiki accurately said "OoT is the SW" then it was correct at least at one time, but without even acknowledging the opposing argument, it becomes a biased statement. I know most wikis do address the opposition, but this is just an example. The "OoT is first" is another.

Originally Posted by Jarsh

That's not a problem if you use the words of the developers themselves. Or the in-game text that some random internet-er can't edit within the game.

Developer quotes are not always true. People lie, and people never always know what is going to happen in the future, even with something they are a part of creating and making.

we end up from a timeline debate to a wiki debate... i se problems...

Oh for god's sake, the Master Sword was never destroyed, and it certainly isn't the Four Sword.

i think not! in all the games on the adult timeline (if yours say otherwise i want a pic of the box) TWW is the only game with the master sword Spoiler Warning Of TWW if you havn't finish skip over the caps..... IT WAS TURNED TO STONE IN GANNONDORFS FOREHEAD IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE. THEN PUT UNDER WATER.

Originally Posted by Anubis

Developer quotes are not always true. People lie, and people never always know what is going to happen in the future, even with something they are a part of creating and making.

Just the fact they are making it makes them more reliable than some random fan giving his/her opinion/interpretation. You aren't saying that what the developers say are on the same level as the fans, are you?

Originally Posted by Anubis

Developer quotes are not always true. People lie, and people never always know what is going to happen in the future, even with something they are a part of creating and making.

random internet users are more reliable than developers because devs lie and know less than the average bear?

Originally Posted by Jarsh

Just the fact they are making it makes them more reliable than some random fan giving his/her opinion/interpretation. You aren't saying that what the developers say are on the same level as the fans, are you?

Pretty much, yea.

Slagr: Since you obviously missed first grade logic, as well as first grade grammar, I'm going to quit speaking to you.

you can get quotes from people who have not heard Miyamotos latest idea... then they say something that they cut out... or someone who is confused.

this is geting funny now

Originally Posted by Anubis

Pretty much, yea.

Slagr: Since you obviously missed first grade logic, as well as first grade grammar, I'm going to quit speaking to you.

If you can accept that fans are just as reliable as the developers, then that's fine for you. However, if everyone else believed that in any theorizing board, we'd end up nowhere. Also, Slagr's logic is quite sound, it's not unbelievable to trust the word of someone regarding their own creation. Pointing out grammatical flaws in someone else's post and using it as an excuse to not debate with them is a good way to run away from a debate.

on the internet grammar is basically ignored by many. so don't bother pointing it out, it is something that become a habit really fast. and developers are quite more reliable than fans, try going to a fanfic board posting it in theorizing, saying it is true. if people agree fans are more reliable, if you get 20 pages of bashing, developers are more reliable.