Lon Lon long gone by TP?

One of the most peculiar absences from TP (IMO) is Lon Lon Ranch. I would
assume it would be somewhere in South Hyrule Field, judging by its placement in
Ocarina of Time, but then, Hyrule has been expanded into a larger place since then.

The only ranch in TP is in Ordona, which is "Latoan" in the Japanese, and
Ordon Village is "Toal" Village. The syllables in Latoan and Toal are very
similar to the syllables in 'Talon'. Is it possible that Ordona Ranch is OoT's
Lon Lon Ranch?

This would be explained by the expansion of Hyrule or...
[turn away Potent Col, Pinecove, and River Zora]
...Lon Lon Ranch may have been retconned like the
Death Mountain/Zora's Domain swap.

I just read this thread today: Spirit of the Hero which goes into great length
to discuss that the Hero's Shade is OoT Link, the direct ancestor of TP Link.

Now I will be the first to admit that there is no proof of a romance between
OoT Link and Malon, but if Latoan/Toal Ranch is what became of Talon's
Lon Lon Ranch, then a marriage between Link and Malon would explain why
OoT Link's descendant would be living near and working on the ranch.

This line, while not proof of anything, could have been later used as a
springboard, giving developers the idea of Link marrying Malon:

Hey, you!
You've got the talent to be one of
the world's best cowboys!
How'd you like to marry Malon?
Huh?
Yes
No

And TP Link is a "cowboy"... well, goat herder is more accurate, but I would
hardly call a chicken gatherer a cowboy either, so we can accept a loose
"animal wrangler" interpretation.

wrangler: a person in charge of horses or other livestock on a ranch.

If Link did marry Malon, and take up his "cowboy talent", it is reasonable to
consider that OoT Link, with his father-in-law, Talon, kept the ranch going
as a family business.

Latoan and Toal may be named after OoT Link's father-in-law and business
partner, Talon. And don't forget that Malo and Talo live in the same village,
and who do you think they might be named after? (Malon and Talon)

It's just a theory, but it would explain a lot and make sense. OoT Link can
still go on plenty of adventures before settling down to life on the Ranch,
and he can still suffer from not having a worthy student to pass on his
teachings to.

100% fanfiction.

Originally Posted by smallville boy

100% fanfiction.

True....but Link totally banged Malon.

I think it's possible.

The only problem with this...is that Link can't be decended from OoT Link if he had sex with Malon.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

The only problem with this...is that Link can't be decended from OoT Link if he had sex with Malon.

Reason being?

Talo and Malo are named after Talon and Maoln aren't they? Why would Link grow up seperatly?

Meh, recycled names don't necessarily indicate relation. Or it could be distant relation. People are named after aunts/uncles and such.

Soo.......



OoT Link + Malon
............|............
.......Children.......
.......|.........|.......
.....M+T.....Link...

Yeah that seems right...

Originally Posted by Cukeman

The syllables in Latoan and Toal are very
similar to the syllables in 'Talon'. Is it possible that Ordona Ranch is OoT's
Lon Lon Ranch?

This would be explained by the expansion of Hyrule or...
[turn away Potent Col, Pinecove, and River Zora]
...Lon Lon Ranch may have been retconned like the
Death Mountain/Zora's Domain swap.

why retcon ALL what it seems out of its place, cukeman?!
I will not argue in this thread about death mountain and zora domain (which, according to an old discussion, it was pretty clear that they didn't swap places AT ALL), but come on! Why couldn't Talon's family just MOVE to Ordona and establish a ranch village without that ridiculus geographic retconning?! Explain this to me, please, I feel like I'm missing something about you theorizing methods.

In ordon province(ordon village/ordon ranch) there are just ordonians(humans/no pointed hears). Link is the only hylian in ordon village, and he never been in hyrule kingdom,for some reason link grow up in ordon,(his fathers are from hyrule kingdom but he was raised in ordon village, probably he is orphan like in OOT.
Also Fado is in charge of the ranch,link is just a assistant.

The only ranch in TP is in Ordona, which is "Latoan" in the Japanese, and
Ordon Village is "Toal" Village. The syllables in Latoan and Toal are very
similar to the syllables in 'Talon'. Is it possible that Ordona Ranch is OoT's
Lon Lon Ranch?

Dude don't make a mess in your head, The ordona ranch's manager is called "FADO",yes, literally "FADO" like the kokiri from OOT or WW but he isn't a kokiri descendant. IN TP they play with some OOT names like, saria/Ilia, talo/talon, malo/malon, rauru/auru, etc... etc... etc...

Originally Posted by Erimgard

True....but Link totally banged Malon.

Sig'd. This is the fastest time I ever switched quotes and it went from you to you.

Link+Malon=forever.

1. Luto bish.
2. I believe that TP Link is descended from OoT Link and that Hero's Shade is OoT Link.

Originally Posted by PrinceDesirée

...why retcon...

Just trying to cover all possibilities

just so you know, I'm completely against all retconing ever at all under any circumstance EVER. ordon was formed by and/or out of the remnants of lon lon ranch. plain and simple.

If Hyrule was a real world, retcons would be illogical. If Hyrule is a place in a video
game, retcons would keep things interesting and timeline flexible.

This is a Ranch thread, so let's not argue about the issue of retcon.
I simply listed it as an option so that we could each choose our own
solution.

Suggesting all geography options /= retcon happened (why can't people understand this?)

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Just trying to cover all possibilities

P.S. No way did Zora' Domain relocate. It is in it's original location in TP.

Compare the Ocarina of Time map to the Twilight Princess map. In Ocarina of Time, Zora's Domain is southeast of Death Mountain and Hyrule Castle, while in Twilight Princess, it's northeast. The locations of Death Mountain and Hyrule Castle remain the same, but Hyrule appears to have expanded northward, which is where Zora's Domain is currently located (as of Twilight Princess). The area that originally housed Zora's Domain doesn't exist in Twilight Princess anymore and there are canyons now blocking our access to that area.

I don't believe in retconning, either, so the only thing that I can think of is a natural disaster of some sort happening between the two games causing the Zoras to relocate.

Cukeman, your Lon Lon Retcon probably just sent chills deep into River Zora's soul.

Ordona is outside Hyrle, Lon Lon was in Hyrule. Ordon should be near what is or was Kokiri Forest, Lon Lon was miles away from it. Lon Lon is man-made; therefore, a new ranch can be found.

And if it was retcon, where the hell was the village during Ocarina of Time? Oh, there was a field... Oh wait, Ordon is surrounded by mountains, amirite?

@Person Above: The Gorons even mentioned Hyrule having had some major landslides. Did anyone take into account the fact that the Hidden Village aas blocked? Therefore, former Zora's Domain could be just as blocked as the Hidden Village was.

lots of natural disasters happened between the two games. the kingdom moved northward, speicies died out, and death mountain seriously messed up kakariko.

I appologise, cukeman. I wasn't saying you absolutely thought that, just that I pesonally think it couldn't.

We know you weren't trying to say that a retcon happened, but when you put that option out there--or any option, for that matter--it's going to get debated, whether it's relevant to that certain area or not. We were just trying to show that a retcon option couldn't have happened in this case.

Originally Posted by Art1st4786

We know you weren't trying to say that a retcon happened, but when you put that option out there--or any option, for that matter--it's going to get debated, whether it's relevant to that certain area or not. We were just trying to show that a retcon option couldn't have happened in this case.

I'm not even certain that retcon is at all hinted at if Ordona = Lon Lon.

They are both South of Hyrule Castle, and since Hyrule is larger in TP than
OoT due to the technology of the GameCube, then all the distances between
all the areas are increased.

The distance between Hyrule Castle and Death Mountain is larger in TP
than it is in OoT, but that doesn't mean Death Mtn was retconned, it
just means that the map got larger, can't the same thing be true for
Ordona/Lon Lon without any claims of retcon?