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Old 08-28-2009, 02:44 PM
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Ganon himself not evil?

I'm not sure if this is what I believe or not, because I haven't seen anything that would prove or disprove this. So please, prove/disprove away ~!!

The theory is that Ganon himself is not evil. A Desert-born man and ruler of the Gerudo, Ganon is as any other Gerudo king was before. However...a very evil spirit -perhaps the spirit of an evil man who lived once before- possesses Ganon's soul, either fusing their souls together, or completely taking Ganon over for himself.

This may explain the green-tinted skin. While other Gerudos are tan, Ganon's pigment may be thrown off due to the possession. Kind of like Reagen from "The Excorcist" who became really pale and gross looking.

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Old 08-28-2009, 02:49 PM
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I think that every king of the Gerudo is a reincarnation of Ganondorf, and every time one tries to take over Hyrule, we get a game about it.
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:00 PM
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Re: Ganon himself not evil?

The Gerudo give birth to a new king every 100 years, but they only made one Ganondorf. If they were reincarnating the same king, there is no reason they would not have simply said so. Nintendo has even said there is only one Ganondorf.

If you take a literal legend approach to the games, there might be an angle to say Ganondorf may not have been such a bad guy. If the games are flawed retellings of the same events, than the real events are up for grabs, and Ganondorf's presentation could be taken as political smear. In any conflict, the winners write the history books, so it would be natural for the Hyleans to paint themselves as the good guys. Ganondorf's character does gain a bit of depth in WW, when he laments the desert life that his people had endured.
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:04 PM
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Ganon seems to be perfectly aware of what he's doing at all times, and in Wind Waker mentions his childhood and how it effected him. He clearly acts out of his own free will.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:05 PM
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Ganondorf started out with relatively good (or understandable, if you prefer) intentions. He only wanted the triforce to make a better life for his people. It wasn't until his desire for the triforce turned into a lust for power and glory did he become evil.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:13 PM
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Ganondorf started out with relatively good (or understandable, if you prefer) intentions. He only wanted the triforce to make a better life for his people. It wasn't until his desire for the triforce turned into a lust for power and glory did he become evil.
I never really got that. Seemed to me that Ganondorf was trying to take out his anger on Hyrule, rather than work for the advancement of his own people.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:19 PM
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I never really got that. Seemed to me that Ganondorf was trying to take out his anger on Hyrule, rather than work for the advancement of his own people.
That's just my intepretaion of it. if he coveted the land the Hylians owned and if he was able to gain that land, then he and the gerudo would benefit from it. It may not be good for the Hylians, but I can understand why ganondorf would desire Hyrule. Of course by the time he actually gets ahold of the ToP, he's just in it for himself and it is safe to call him an evil dick.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:35 PM
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:48 PM
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Re: Ganon himself not evil?

Ganondorf started out wanting to make a better life for his people. (Decent, noble actually)
Ganondorf looks at Hyrule, and begins to covet it. (Jealousy, perhaphs?)
As people as said before me, Ganondorf may have been biased and despised Hylians for their better life, and wanted to rule. Or, the Hylians themselves may reject Gerudo, (them being theives after all), causing Ganondorf in turn to not like the Hylians.
Either way, he tries to take the Triforce, for peace or good living solely for Gerudo, we don't know.
After he DOES get his piece, it corrupts him.

Soooo....he may have started out a decent king and ended up evil. He may have even given up on his people in search for greater power, who knows?
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:01 PM
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Re: Ganon himself not evil?

I'm leaning toward everthing Aura Pulse is saying.

On the same note, maybe Ganon was very, very intruiged by the Triforce, and wanted to learn more and more about it. After years of studying the ways of the gods amongst other divine things, he began to think about obtaning the Triforce.

It's kind of like, "Well, I'm a CNA, but I can never become a doctor." With Ganon, it was, "Well, I'm the ruler of the Gerudos, but I could never reach something so divine and powerful." But then, it turned into, "Well...if I did ever try to do something, I'd probably do it like this" kind of like day dreaming. But then, daydreams developed into something that drove him to actually doing it.

I don't know what his original intent was. Maybe it was to better the Gerudos. But surely the Triforce took his mind in a completely different direction and emphasized his greed.

So if there were any sort of spirit that possessed him, it would have had to have been before he obtained the Triforce, and that spirit would have wanted the Trifroce, not Ganon. The spirit would have convinced Ganon/took control of his mind, making Ganon reach for the Triforce. And from there, Ganon's evil (the spirit) escalated into this nearly unstoppable demon.

I digress. I think that it would be really, really interesting if he ever were possessed. But I think the only true possession is actually by the Triforce of Power, not a spirit.
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I don't know what his original intent was. Maybe it was to better the I digress. I think that it would be really, really interesting if he ever were possessed. But I think the only true possession is actually by the Triforce of Power, not a spirit.
How would it be interesting? He's evil because he is posessed by an evil spirit making him do evil is not a particularly great characterization to say the least.
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The ToP did not corrupt or possess Ganondorf. Fist, the ToP is not evil in any way. The Triforce doesn't differentiate between good and evil.

The closest to being possessed Ganon has ever been was in FSA when he found the Trident. But even then he was a nasty guy among the Gerudo so it's pretty safe to say that Ganondorf was a bad guy in FSA, and if you look at him in OoT, nothing really changed in him before and after aquiring the Triforce.
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This may explain the green-tinted skin. While other Gerudos are tan, Ganon's pigment may be thrown off due to the possession. Kind of like Reagen from "The Excorcist" who became really pale and gross looking.
Koume and kotake have green-tinted skin too. They seem to be a superior kind of gerudo,they are powerful magic wielders.
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The ToP did not corrupt or possess Ganondorf. Fist, the ToP is not evil in any way. The Triforce doesn't differentiate between good and evil.

The closest to being possessed Ganon has ever been was in FSA when he found the Trident. But even then he was a nasty guy among the Gerudo so it's pretty safe to say that Ganondorf was a bad guy in FSA, and if you look at him in OoT, nothing really changed in him before and after aquiring the Triforce.
I wasn't implying that the Triforce consciously corrupted Ganondorf, but more acted like a power so tempting and could easily be abused. the career of a Police Officer isn't evil, yet A Police Officer could abuse his power. This is why the same case with the Trident. They may have similar roles; giving the swaying Ganondorf the key to become evil, while not drop-down forcing him. Temptation is the word here...
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Ganondorf was evil before he got the triforce.
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Ganondorf was evil before he got the triforce.
There was no doubt he was bad before getting the Triforce, but it was with a decent purpose. Better life for Gerudos. When, if at all, did he begin to seek only for himself?
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There was no doubt he was bad before getting the Triforce, but it was with a decent purpose. Better life for Gerudos. When, if at all, did he begin to seek only for himself?
Isn't for a decent purpose, he was evil and that's all.
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I wasn't implying that the Triforce consciously corrupted Ganondorf, but more acted like a power so tempting and could easily be abused. the career of a Police Officer isn't evil, yet A Police Officer could abuse his power. This is why the same case with the Trident. They may have similar roles; giving the swaying Ganondorf the key to become evil, while not drop-down forcing him. Temptation is the word here...
That's one of the central themes of Twilight Princess, Aura Pulse.
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well, I think Ganondorf's skin is the same color as the rest of the Gerudo.
The "greenishness" is due to the color settings of your tv and computer.
(I think that the comparisons of Ganondorf to a regular Gerudo are probably
from two different sources of scanner/tv)
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Ganondorf is evil by nature.
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