Imprisoning War poll

IMO, the SW hasn't been depicted by a game and it doesn't need to be since Link had no involvement in it.

My option wasn't in the poll:

The IW is a mix of the interloper war, OoT's AT events, and FSA (in that order)

(and the interloper war was the SW)

Originally Posted by River Zora

In a fourth wall breaking additional feature... Sorry, not canon to me any more than Tingle tower or the Color dungeon.

Emphases in 'to you.' Stop picking and choosing canon.

I believe in a OoT + FSA = SW train of thought.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Emphases in 'to you.' Stop picking and choosing canon.

You believe the Legend of the Fairy is canon?

Originally Posted by langford

You believe the Legend of the Fairy is canon?

There was no staggering problem with it when TWW was made.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

There was no staggering problem with it when TWW was made.

That's not the issue though. River Zora is being wrongfully accused of picking and choosing for not using the very questionable bonus content in GBA-LTTP, while the near universally dismissed bonus content in WW is both more definitive in meaning and presentation than the bonus content in GBA-LTTP.

I don't 'pick and choose canon'. Not everything can be, we all accept this. The Mario Paintings, the Colour dungeon, the Chris Houlihan room. There MUST be a defining feature that makes us universally accept these things as non-canon.

Before even beginning to theorise I sat down and decided the key thing that would make something 'non-canon'- the thing they all have in common is the breaking of the fourth wall.

If something is a challenge to or aspect for the player alone using the real-world as a medium at any point, it isn't canon. This isn't picking and choosing- this is realising a rule and then sticking to it.

Originally Posted by langford

That's not the issue though. River Zora is being wrongfully accused of picking and choosing for not using the very questionable bonus content in GBA-LTTP, while the near universally dismissed bonus content in WW is both more definitive in meaning and presentation than the bonus content in GBA-LTTP.

I'm not dismissing it. I am of the same opinion as Skylark that The Legend of the Fairy and the TP Temple of Time are the only two retcons in the series.

There's a difference between not counting something the developers disproved in a later interview and not counting something as canon because you don't like someone else's timeline.

Edit: @RZ: There is a difference between the Mario easter eggs and the Palace of the Four Sword. It does not break the fourth wall.

What doesn't break the fourth wall?

Originally Posted by River Zora

What doesn't break the fourth wall?

The Palace of the Four Sword.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

The Palace of the Four Sword.

It's not accessible by playing LTTP, you have to play the FS multiplayer game to a certain level of completion to get to it. It is not referenced by LTTP characters, and is not required or included in LTTP's quest. It is not given an origin in LTTP that would link it's existence to another game. It's presence is weaker than any side quest, it can only be activated from outside the game, it's simply not part of LTTP.

Yes it does. In order to do the quest Link must have 'become a true hero'. To do this teh Link of FS must achieve ten gold medals. Link of aLttP does nothing. The dungeon is affected by the events of a different game's bonus awards.

It is the player who 'becomes the true hero'. I would vaguely be more inclined to accept it as canon if you claimed FS Link was aLttP Link, but I very much doubt you do. In which case it is the player who is awarded access to the dungeon for the player's achievements and stats in a different game unrelated to the storyline.

Fourth Wall breaking.

Originally Posted by River Zora

What doesn't break the fourth wall?

Nothing about the Palace of the Four Sword breaks the fourth wall.

Originally Posted by langford

River Zora is being wrongfully accused of picking and choosing for not using the very questionable bonus content in GBA-LTTP, while the near universally dismissed bonus content in WW is both more definitive in meaning and presentation than the bonus content in GBA-LTTP.

The Legend of the Fairy was only "dismissed" when it was revealed that TWW was in fact "parallel" to the history where MM (which LotF referenced) took place. At that point, LotF could no longer be considered timeline evidence for a single timeline against the official and well-defined word of the creators that stated otherwise.

The situation is staggeringly different than the Palace of the Four Sword, the inclusion of which does not conflict with creator word (or with any other evidence, really).

Yes it does break the fourth wall. See above posts by me and Langford.

I explain the Legend of the Fairy as Termina being in a different dimension that's not affected by Hyrule's timeline split (Termina having it's own flow of time). It's simple and doesn't need to be looked into too much.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Yes it does break the fourth wall. See above posts by me and Langford.

No more than OoX's linked game does.

The player must complete the events of the "first" game (OoS, or in this case, FS) to access the "extra ending" in the "second" game that relates back to it (OoA, in this case, ALttP).

Originally Posted by Roc Thul

I explain the Legend of the Fairy as Termina being in a different dimension that's not affected by Hyrule's timeline split (Termina having it's own flow of time). It's simple and doesn't need to be looked into too much.

Nobody here believes the Legend of the Fairy is canon. It's only pointed out because unlike the Palace of the Fourswords, Legend of the Fairy actually exists as part of the game it is accessed in and actually directly specifies events in a past game.

If the Palace of the Four Sword breaks the fourth wall, so does the linked ending of OoX. Therefore, saying the Palace of the Four Sword is non-canon, but the linked ending of OoX is canon is picking and choosing canon.

Originally Posted by langford

Nobody here believes the Legend of the Fairy is canon. It's only pointed out because unlike the Palace of the Fourswords, Legend of the Fairy actually exists as part of the game it is accessed in and actually directly specifies events in a past game.

Except you need a separate GBA to even start the Tingle side-quests to find out about it. But, yeah.