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Old 08-08-2009, 06:00 PM
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I always figured

OoT - a tiny Kakariko is opened to everyone, with new buildings being built

TP - Kakariko is larger than in OoT, even featuring a hotel, it is only deserted
when monsters come and kidnap people, TP says a whole bunch of villagers went
after the monsters to save the kidnapped

AlttP - After TP is over people come back to Kakariko & build it up even more,
(ALttP features the largest Kakariko of the 3) it could even expand into Hyrule
Field a bit...

Kakariko is still close enough to Death Mtn in ALttP to be OoT's Kakariko Village
especially when you consider the royal sign
I believe it was stated somewhere in a thread that Kakariko or whatever it's called in Japanese is roughly translated as "The sound a chickens makes(to the japanese)" this could explain why so many different villages have the name. They are usually rather rural farm type communities and one of the things they would probably raise are cucoos(Very similar to chickens). So technically they don't all have to be the same Kakariko and, given the way TP's is talked about, the same village has only appeared in two games.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:03 PM
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Kakariko is Japanese for cluck? That's too awesome to be true!
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:05 PM
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Re: Kakariko Village Problems

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At the foot of Death Mountain you will find my village, Kakariko. That is where I was born and raised.
- Impa, talking about Kakariko Village (Ocarina of Time)

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My name is descended from the great one who built this village long ago...
- Impaz, talking about the Hidden Village, also known as Old Kakariko (Twilight Princess)
Have anyone of you the japanese, original text? This would clear much of our
confusions.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:13 PM
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Kakariko is Japanese for cluck? That's too awesome to be true!
I believe the word in Japanese is "Kakaliko" and it is the Japanese onomatopoeia for the sound that a chicken makes. This is much like how "Jabu-jabu" is the Japanese onomatopoeia for the sound of a splash in water.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:19 PM
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I believe the word in Japanese is "Kakaliko" and it is the Japanese onomatopoeia for the sound that a chicken makes. This is much like how "Jabu-jabu" is the Japanese onomatopoeia for the sound of a splash in water.
This must really lower the value of the Zelda experience for Japanese players, unless of course, it is common in their culture to take pride in pronouncing and naming things after the onomatopoeia of animal sounds. It certainly explains Pokemon a lot.

I really wouldn't like Zelda as much if Kakariko Village was "Cockadoodle Village" (or Cluck Village) and Jabu-Jabu was "Splash splash". In fact, I think that might drive me away entirely.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:22 PM
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This must really lower the value of the Zelda experience for Japanese players, unless of course, it is common in their culture to take pride in pronouncing and naming things after the onomatopoeia of animal sounds.
Yeah, but Japanese people also tend to have crazy hair and clothing styles, so you never know.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:32 PM
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This must really lower the value of the Zelda experience for Japanese players, unless of course, it is common in their culture to take pride in pronouncing and naming things after the onomatopoeia of animal sounds. It certainly explains Pokemon a lot.

I really wouldn't like Zelda as much if Kakariko Village was "Cockadoodle Village" (or Cluck Village) and Jabu-Jabu was "Splash splash". In fact, I think that might drive me away entirely.
Actually, it really is common. I was just reading an interview on Zelda Legends last night with this translator and he was saying one of the problems with localizing things from Japan is their frequent use of strange onomatopoeia.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:37 PM
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Re: Kakariko Village Problems

Okay so theoretically any rural Hyrulean community where they raise cuccoos could be named Kakariko. Or whatever the Japanese name is.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:46 PM
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I think the Japanese call it "Kakaliko" Village, just because "R" and "L" are the same thing.
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Old 08-08-2009, 06:49 PM
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This must really lower the value of the Zelda experience for Japanese players, unless of course, it is common in their culture to take pride in pronouncing and naming things after the onomatopoeia of animal sounds. It certainly explains Pokemon a lot.

I really wouldn't like Zelda as much if Kakariko Village was "Cockadoodle Village" (or Cluck Village) and Jabu-Jabu was "Splash splash". In fact, I think that might drive me away entirely.
But what about "Cluckington" or "Lord Splashtonmire"?
Surely there's some way to make it work...
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Old 08-08-2009, 07:05 PM
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But what about "Cluckington" or "Lord Splashtonmire"?
Surely there's some way to make it work...
That would be awesome. Humorous, but awesome.
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Old 08-08-2009, 07:14 PM
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I am a servant of Lord Splashtonmire.

I pledge my allegiance to him and his soggy works.
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Old 08-08-2009, 07:30 PM
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I live in Chicken.

Nothing special there.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:47 AM
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though it is extremely improbable and is probably untrue, could there have been a small landslide that hid and moved the village? it would certainly explain the lack of people and the graveyard would have been buried had that happened.
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Old 08-09-2009, 07:20 AM
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though it is extremely improbable and is probably untrue, could there have been a small landslide that hid and moved the village? it would certainly explain the lack of people and the graveyard would have been buried had that happened.
I would say that it was a chance that there was a landslide - Kakariko is always nearby mountains - but there is still that a Kakariko already exists right where the Ocarina of Time Kakariko would be: in front of Death Mountain. And the Kakariko Graveyard in Twilight Princess appears to have a blocked-off enterence somewhat above the Zora's King's grave - the Shwoer Temple enterence. Therefore, that is 100% Ocarina of Time Kakariko.

We do know, however, that the Hidden Village enterence was blocked by a landslide, as the Gorons explained. But at the same time, they say that the Hidden Village is where the Sheikah were all that time, meaning that it was hidden during Ocarina of Time and was indeed where they were hiding during those events, and maybe even where Impa took Zelda for 7 years in the adult timeline.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:33 PM
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Since we are talking about Kakariko Graveyard, I wanted to point something
out to refute the claims that King Zora's Tomb & Shadow Temple can't quite
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:39 PM
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Very nice illustration Cukeman. The only problem is i don't believe there's a ceiling in King Zora's tomb.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:41 PM
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Very nice illustration Cukeman. The only problem is i don't believe there's a ceiling in King Zora's tomb.
Hmm... I never noticed if there was a ceiling or not...

still, might the ceiling might have been opened after OoT?
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:43 PM
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Maybe. The point is it seems like they either retconned something or those are different cemeteries.
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Maybe. The point is it seems like they either retconned something or those are different cemeteries.
For crying out loud, you people are being idiots. Do you know that a few CENTURIES - maybe in 1,000 years - passed since Ocarina of Time? Did you not notice how ruined and ravaged the graveyard became in Twilight Princess? Did you not listen to the Gorons make quotes about Hyrule's frequent landslides during that era? Apparantly not.

The ceiling would have collapased because of all the clear signs that an earthquake or landslide has happened in ther Kakariko area, explaining why it has become so deep and full of water at the back of the graveyard.

By the way, not too far above King Zora's tomb is a large hole that appears to be blocked-off by branches and rubble - Shadow Temple enterence, collapsed.

Besides, not only is there a blocked-off area near King Zora's tomb (somewhat above) but there are signs of ravage and land destruction in the whole area. The graveyard itself is the exact same size and shape as the graveyard from Ocarina of Time, too. It is also at the same part of Kakariko to an extent, and the way up is shaped the same.

Will you guys stop being idiots and except that Kakariko is right near a hostile volcano? Hostile volcano = earthquakes and landslides, casuing ceilings to collaspse and land to be torn appart. Death Mountain had been extremely crazy around the events of Twilight Princess, anyway, explaining why Kakariko's surrounding land has been so dramatically re-shaped. All the plant life in the Kakariko area is gone, too, and the whole area is torn.
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