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Old 07-20-2009, 06:47 PM
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Classic games now obsolete?

I've made this topic before, but I thought I might recreate it in light of the current theorizing climate: are the classic games obsolete in light of more recent games?

LoZ: Triforce in eight fragments, unite it to defeat Ganon and save Zelda
Gee, sounds familiar, doesn't it?
TWW: Triforce in eight fragments, unite it to defeat Ganon and save Zelda

Also-
AoL: Zelda has been cursed, break the curse to restore peace to the land
Sounds like-
TMC: Zelda has been cursed, break the curse to restore peace to the land
PH: Zelda has been cursed, break the curse to restore peace to the land


ALttP: Ganon breaks the Sages' seal in an effort to escape the Dark World and conquer Hyrule, rise as a hero and defeat him
Kinda like-
TWW: Ganon breaks the Sages' seal in an effort to escape the Dark World and conquer Hyrule, rise as a hero and defeat him

ALttP: Ganon uses a doppelganger to cause havoc in Hyrule
reminiscent of-
FSA: Ganon uses a doppelganger to cause havoc in Hyrule
TP: Ganon uses a doppelganger to cause havoc in Hyrule


Of course, this doesn't necessarily have to apply to the games as a whole, but simply to parts of games that you feel may have been rewritten/overwritten in future installments.

Ex:
The original IW/Dark World story was overwritten by OoT and/or FSA or TP
The Sleeping Zelda story was overwritten by OoT and/or TWW
etc.
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:51 PM
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Re: Classic games now obsolete?

As far as I'm concerned, TP and LttP are the same game in every way.

WW/PH are water-versions of OoT/MM.

I believe that some of the similarities imply timeline connections, but some may imply storyboard laziness.

The Sheikah will have much to say regarding this matter.
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:54 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, TP and LttP are the same game in every way.

WW/PH are water-versions of OoT/MM.
Right, but while TWW depends on OoT from a story perspective (and thus can't be a remake in the strict sense), TP doesn't depend on ALttP. They might as well be the same story retold and repackaged.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:00 PM
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Re: Classic games now obsolete?

i always thought that maybe there's no Zelda Timelin besides the Split Timeline and that most stories are just legends that have been changed over the years...to the pint that there are many versions of one story.
maybe Alttp it's another version of Tp or FSA...who knows?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:05 PM
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Re: Classic games now obsolete?

As I see it, LoZ and AoL are the only ones that other games don't really make ties to, save for OoX. It makes me question their validity anymore.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:11 PM
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Re: Classic games now obsolete?

Sounds like a bit of Literal Legend theory, which could be fun around here. If all the story arcs were flawed retelling of the same events, what would the reality have been? There are multiple instances of Ganondorf being sealed and escaping and then being killed, so the details around them could be exaggerations. Perhaps the flood wasn't as bad as the legend suggested? Perhaps Ganondorf wasn't as beastly as suggested? Perhaps the Sacred Realm wasn't a real realm, but more of a nice room in a building?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:21 PM
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Right, but while TWW depends on OoT from a story perspective (and thus can't be a remake in the strict sense), TP doesn't depend on ALttP. They might as well be the same story retold and repackaged.
Well, I don't want to start this here, but while TP doesn't depend on LttP, it does bridge the story from OoT to LttP to some extent.

Regardless-- yeah, same game but easier.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:27 PM
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Re: Classic games now obsolete?

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Sounds like a bit of Literal Legend theory, which could be fun around here. If all the story arcs were flawed retelling of the same events, what would the reality have been? There are multiple instances of Ganondorf being sealed and escaping and then being killed, so the details around them could be exaggerations. Perhaps the flood wasn't as bad as the legend suggested? Perhaps Ganondorf wasn't as beastly as suggested? Perhaps the Sacred Realm wasn't a real realm, but more of a nice room in a building?
yeah, that's why it's named legend of Zelda...
and my theory could explain why Ganondorf and other characters change their looks in each game.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:14 PM
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Re: Classic games now obsolete?

I don't think you can claim rewrite because (aside from the points you mentioned),
the remaining content (in those games you mentioned) is heavily referenced in the
way the whole series progresses
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As I see it, LoZ and AoL are the only ones that other games don't really make ties to, save for OoX.
Sage names in OoT?
Hebra's Hill in FSA?
TMC's Royal Crypt? White Sword?
Maze Island in PH?
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:39 PM
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Sage names in OoT?
Hebra's Hill in FSA?
TMC's Royal Crypt? White Sword?
Maze Island in PH?
Reused names and concepts, not necessarily story connections. Unless you believe that the sage names and towns are connected.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
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Sage names in OoT?
Hebra's Hill in FSA?
TMC's Royal Crypt? White Sword?
Maze Island in PH?
True, true. Huh, guess I don't really think they are the least likely to connect after all.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:23 AM
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Unless you believe that the sage names and towns are connected.
There is nothing to believe. Both Aonuma and the story writer of OoT said that they were. The Sages names were remembered and became the towns in AoL.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:52 AM
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Reused names and concepts, not necessarily story connections.
Storyline connections are just glorified reused concepts.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:40 AM
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Sounds like a bit of Literal Legend theory, which could be fun around here. If all the story arcs were flawed retelling of the same events, what would the reality have been? There are multiple instances of Ganondorf being sealed and escaping and then being killed, so the details around them could be exaggerations. Perhaps the flood wasn't as bad as the legend suggested? Perhaps Ganondorf wasn't as beastly as suggested? Perhaps the Sacred Realm wasn't a real realm, but more of a nice room in a building?
Your thoughts intrigue me.

That would mean that, even if we were able to tie all the games together correctly, we would still have a timeline that is filled with exaggerations and in the end, not even the timeline that we believe to be correct, would be entirely true.

The Zelda timeline is just so confusing to me, and I don't think that Nintendo is planning on settling down our exhausted brains anytime soon.
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