Cukeman's Revised Timeline

Originally Posted by Slagr

that's not the same interview as the one in question, which was from 2003. the question itself was apparently not intended as a timeline thing, as the follow up question was specifically about the timeline and Aonuma dodged the question.

So I'd take that as "order of release" sequel, not chronological story.

Do you mean this one?

Superplay: So that's why the third game looked like the first one?
Shigeru Miyamoto: Exactly. We actually see A link to the Past as the real sequel to Legend of Zelda. Zelda II was more of a side story about what happened to Link after the events in Legend of Zelda.

Originally Posted by Roc Thul

Do you mean this one?

yes, but the next question was explicitly about the timeline and Aonuma dodged it. The presentation of that quote alone was kind of misleading.

I have a quick question regarding FSA on the CT. If Ganondorf never entered the SR prior to, how does the DW exist in FSA? Is it a different realm altogether?

I don't put it on the CT, but in either case- yes, I think it's a different realm all together with more properties similar to the Twilight than Sacred Realm.

Originally Posted by Tulcaryar

I have a quick question regarding FSA on the CT. If Ganondorf never entered the SR prior to, how does the DW exist in FSA? Is it a different realm altogether?

I say that when Ganon got the Trident in FSA, he corrupted the SR
into the Dark World

Originally Posted by River Zora

I don't put it on the CT, but in either case- yes, I think it's a different realm all together with more properties similar to the Twilight than Sacred Realm.

Doesn't ALttP show us that the Dark World = the corrupted SR??
I don't know of anything to the contrary

You can say that Ganon's wish on the Triforce in ALttP corrupted the SR/Golden Land
(and support it with a quote from the Essence of the Triforce) but the Ganon in FSA has
never touched the Triforce in his lifetime - yet there IS a Dark World...

So Ganon must have touched the completed Triforce prior to FSA... But when does this happen?

Originally Posted by Tulcaryar

So Ganon must have touched the completed Triforce prior to FSA... But when does this happen?

In my timeline

-FSA Ganon get Trident, corrupts the SR into the Dark World
-FSA Ganon is sealed in the Four Sword
-FSA Ganon takes the FS to the DW but can't figure out a way
to leave the DW, during his long time stuck in the DW, he discovers the
Triforce
-ALttP

Originally Posted by Cukeman

-The back of the ALttP box says that it predates LoZ/AoL
(ALttP Link and Zelda are the predecessors of LoZ/AoL Link & Zelda)

The back of the box is wrong.

Question: Dan, it appears something about the Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past translation is jumbled. It is said the events played out in Ocarina of Time were the events that happened in the story of A Link to the Past, and therefore were to solve many story holes. But if Zelda 3's instruction manual is read, these events sound completely different, and now there seem to be more holes than ever. It clearly states on the back of the box of A Link to the Past that it was a prequel to Zelda’s 1 and 2, but Miyamoto says it comes after them. What's the truth?

Dan: The truth is, the text on the box (and possibly the Nintendo Power guide) is wrong. D'oh! If you just ignore the box text, the stories fit together better. Basically, the events in Ocarina are the "Imprisoning War" described in the SNES version's story. The Golden Land was the Sacred Realm before Ganondorf corrupted it. The order of the stories is: Ocarina, Zelda 1, Zelda 2, A Link to the Past. Since Link's Awakening was a dream (or was it?) it's hard to say where it fits.

Ignoring the box, I still think I have a lot of evidence that the OoT seal is NOT the
seal spoken of in ALttP...that idea has since been changed IMO

Originally Posted by Cukeman

In my timeline

-FSA Ganon get Trident, corrupts the SR into the Dark World
-FSA Ganon is sealed in the Four Sword
-FSA Ganon takes the FS to the DW but can't figure out a way
to leave the DW, during his long time stuck in the DW, he discovers the
Triforce
-ALttP

I'd say that the number of characteristic similarities between the TR and FSA's DW is much greater than those between FSA and LttP's DWs. I have no evidence for this other than observation and interpretation, but it seems as though FSA's DW came about through a botched recreation of the Twilight Mirror, creating a realm that overlapped the TR and the SR similarly to how the TR overlapped the LW in TP.

It's not supported, but neither is the Trident corrupting the SR considering the differences in the realms.

I'd say that the number of characteristic similarities between the TR and FSA's DW is much greater than those between FSA and LttP's DWs

What similarities are those? I find the opposite to be true, but it could be based on interpretation. All the same, I'd like to see your perspective on this.

Originally Posted by Slagr

...It's not supported, but neither is the Trident corrupting the SR...

"We...grant you...power to
...ruin...the world. The
power of...darkness.

Evil...spirit of
magic trident."

If the Trident can ruin the world, why not the SR?

EDIT: Power of Darkness...Dark World

Originally Posted by Cukeman

"We...grant you...power to
...ruin...the world. The
power of...darkness.

Evil...spirit of
magic trident."

If the Trident can ruin the world, why not the SR?

EDIT: Power of Darkness...Dark World

the world =/= the SR. LttP says the TF wish ruined the SR, and that's much more explicitly specific.

Originally Posted by Tulcaryar

What similarities are those? I find the opposite to be true, but it could be based on interpretation. All the same, I'd like to see your perspective on this.

a mirror functions as the entrance to TR and FSA, whereas a mirror is the exit in LttP.

Those hand things (at the TR wall and in the lost woods of FSA, for example) pull you into FSA and TR, but never the LttP DW.

The tears of light or whatever function similarly to FSA's force gems in dispelling the darkness/twilight.

And since the TR was the place where the Interlopers were banished to, it makes no sense that the sages would put them in the same place as the TF.

Of course, the similarities to the LttP DW lend themselves to my hybridization theory.

Originally Posted by Slagr

the world =/= the SR. LttP says the TF wish ruined the SR, and that's much more explicitly specific.

but that doesn't explain FSA's Dark World before ALttP
(they are both the same Dark World)

a mirror functions as the entrance to TR and FSA, whereas a mirror is the exit in LttP.

Those hand things (at the TR wall and in the lost woods of FSA, for example) pull you into FSA and TR, but never the LttP DW.

The tears of light or whatever function similarly to FSA's force gems in dispelling the darkness/twilight.

And since the TR was the place where the Interlopers were banished to, it makes no sense that the sages would put them in the same place as the TF.

Of course, the similarities to the LttP DW lend themselves to my hybridization theory.

That makes sense. Another theory is that with Ganon's use of the Mirror in FSA he merged the portal between the TR and SR.

However, The Force Gems imbue the Four Sword with the ability to repel darkness, a la Master Sword. The Tears restore Light to Hyrule, as if Twilight is the Absence of Light. This may sound confusing, but they are two different functions in my book.

On another note, the placement TP - FS/FSA would make sense except for the reappearance of Gerudos, Lon Lon Ranch, Knights of Hyrule ( not the generic cowardly soldiers in TP) and others. How do you explain this? (@ Cukeman)

Originally Posted by Cukeman

but that doesn't explain FSA's Dark World before ALttP

neither does your explanation. Their origins are different, so they can't be the same.

(they are both the same Dark World)

proof?

What about the strong connection that the Moon Pearl has to the Dark World
in FSA and ALttP?

Originally Posted by Cukeman

What about the strong connection that the Moon Pearl has to the Dark World
in FSA and ALttP?

and the opposite functions? One allows you to enter FSA's and the other stops you from transforming once inside.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

What about the strong connection that the Moon Pearl has to the Dark World
in FSA and ALttP?

Another theory is that with Ganon's use of the Mirror in FSA he merged the portal between the TR and SR.

So then in this game they are one and the same from when Ganon uses the Mirror to bring out Dark Links to when the mirror is shattered at the near end of the game. What do you think? This way the duality feature is confined to this game, and there is no impact on Lttp and TP.