ALttP's BS ≠ OoT's Adult events

Originally Posted by Smertios

Then why don't we need the three pendants to pull th sword in TP?

Gameplay device.

Originally Posted by Smertios

Maybe ST can have the MS being retrieved from underwater though...

Wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by Smertios

carved...

Better yet.



Same scenery. No stupid explanation needed either.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

Gameplay device.

You don't get it. It is a major plot device. When OoT was developed, the spiritual stones were meant to fullfill the same whole as the Pendants of Virtue in LttP. OoT was developed to be LttP's prequel. So this means they care about that detail.

TP has never been developed to be LttP bs. Aonuma would have said so if it had been.

TP recycled a lot of interesting scenarios from other games, without making a major storyline connection to any of them.

The Mirror chamber in the middle of the desert, for example. The concept is identical to the one from FSA.

The floating City in the Sky was also borrowed from FS's, FSA's and TMC's Palace of Winds.

The Hidden Village shared some characteristics with both Old and New Kasuto from AoL. Remember the Impa-like figure that was solely living in Old Kasuto?

The idea of becoming a beast when changing realms and the MS in the woods from LttP, of course.

There is no apparent connection there, unless everything else is connected.

Now, if they had added the three pendants to TP, or at least any three sacred itens needed to pull the sword out, it would be a completely different story. But without that, the MS in the woods is just a reclycled idea, pretty much like the rest of them.

Wishful thinking.

Not really. TBH, I doubt they will do that, as they normally don't care about the storyline at all.

I'm just saying that, if ST, which has been confirmed to happen after TWW, features the MS, then none of this will be a problem...

Better yet.

Flip the TP image and you'll get a better comparison
Anyway, that's only because of the recycled idea. There is absolutely no storyline connections told in-game anywhere.

Same scenery.

You do remember that Aonuma said that they reuse ideas from past games to make the older players more familiarized with the newer games, right? He even said similar places (and even places with the same name) are not necesserily the same in all games.

Considering the geography doesn't match and there is no storyline connections there, I don't think that is supposed to show continuity from TP to LttP.

Plus LttP has been confirmed to come in the AT, and there has been no other interview disproving that one, or even hinting that the intent changed at some point. So, no matter how hard you try, the CT placement of LttP will always be a bit weaker than the At placement, until it is proven that the intent has changed with time. Of course, that doesn't mean it is not possible for that to have happened and LttP come in the CT. It is just not what the developers have confirmed...

No stupid explanation needed either.

Yes, just the biased view that one of the recycled ideas used in TP is meant to show storyline connections when there is nothing in game hinting towards that; and the remaining recycled ideas are just recycled ideas with no importance to the storyline at all...

Sorry for jumping in right here but I'm too lazy to read the entire thread...

@Nerushi: ALttP is Aonuma's favorite game so the MS would be more of a cameo...just sayin.

Originally Posted by Smertios

Now, if they had added the three pendants to TP, or at least any three sacred itens needed to pull the sword out, it would be a completely different story. But without that, the MS in the woods is just a reclycled idea, pretty much like the rest of them.

Wouldn't it have been more recycled if you did have to gather three pendants in order to pull it? Or is it that you think recycled elements simply aren't canon to the series?

Originally Posted by Smertios

I'm just saying that, if ST, which has been confirmed to happen after TWW, features the MS, then none of this will be a problem...

Is that so? The master sword in TP was just another recycled item. Why would it be worth any more if its included in this one?

Originally Posted by Smertios

Flip the TP image and you'll get a better comparison
Anyway, that's only because of the recycled idea. There is absolutely no storyline connections told in-game anywhere.

Huh, damn Wii version. Either way, I agree that TP is pretty damn unoriginal Zelda game. However, I disagree that there's no storyline connection.

Originally Posted by Smertios

Considering the geography doesn't match and there is no storyline connections there, I don't think that is supposed to show continuity from TP to LttP.

No, you simply don't want there to be any continuity between the games. Most people don't even consider details like geography, and only pay attention to the bigger picture. Are you saying that they put the Mater Sword there, expecting people to not to consider the idea that there might be a continuity between the games?

Originally Posted by Smertios

Plus LttP has been confirmed to come in the AT, and there has been no other interview disproving that one, or even hinting that the intent changed at some point. So, no matter how hard you try, the CT placement of LttP will always be a bit weaker than the At placement, until it is proven that the intent has changed with time. Of course, that doesn't mean it is not possible for that to have happened and LttP come in the CT. It is just not what the developers have confirmed...

Yeah yeah, you can use your interview to prove what their intents from 1998 is. At least try to look at what intent the games thereafter has to offer.

Originally Posted by Smertios

Yes, just the biased view that one of the recycled ideas used in TP is meant to show storyline connections when there is nothing in game hinting towards that; and the remaining recycled ideas are just recycled ideas with no importance to the storyline at all...

So I am biased because I use what the game has to offer as evidence, when you yourself has to make up absurd ideas such as "They carved the new pedestal out of ganons stone body" - Or ignores it all togheter. They may be recycled ideas, but at least some of them create contiunity. But you wouldn't care about that anyway, because Wind Waker destroys any contiunity there was between OoT and ALTTP, isn't that right?

Originally Posted by Pinecove

@Nerushi: ALttP is Aonuma's favorite game so the MS would be more of a cameo...just sayin.

I know. There's a lot of cameos in Zelda games.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

Same scenery. No stupid explanation needed either.

That's nice - so we know the Master Sword pedestal in the Temple of Time is the same one from ALttP.

This pedestal exists on both timelines.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

This pedestal exists on both timelines.

Considering that Daphnes annihilated Hyrule with a Triforce wish and a lightning-infused ocean dropped upon the land, I doubt that the Temple of Time pedestal survived on the Adult Timeline.

Why it survived out in the elements for several centuries on the CT. The MS is a cameo, ALTTP and TP's maps have little to no geographic similarities, unlike the AT games.

Pendants and TP...

In OoT no pendants are needed to get the MS, the "three items"
merely open the DoT...since I place TP next, pendants still wouldn't
be needed (just like in OoT), ALttP comes last in my theory, so the
pendants happened between TP and ALttP

If you still think he needs "3 symbols of virtue", not necessarily pendants,
what about his 3 temple victories symbolized by his 3 pieces of Fused Shadow?

successors...

One of you told me that the intro story in ALttP says successors, not
descendants, well as soon as Link enters the Dark World Sahasrahla tells
Link that the maidens are descendants...what does the Japanese say at
this point in the game? Is it still successors or does it change?

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Why it survived out in the elements for several centuries on the CT. The MS is a cameo, ALTTP and TP's maps have little to no geographic similarities, unlike the AT games.

WHAT? The ALttP map is a perfect balance between the Wii and GCN TP maps!

ALTTP's map bears no resemblance to TP's map at ALL! Show me one geographical connection between the two! The Wii version is non-canon. Let me post something.

Edit: here's ALTTP's maphttp://zs.ffshrine.org/link-to-the-p...ht_world-1.png

Here's Tp'shttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/ze..._Princess).png

not gonna get into a geography debate right now...I accept 'loose' geography

Well i certainly have a lot of evidence agains you that involves geography, the only thing you have is a small cameo at the end of TP, i have massive geo similarities that support an AT placement.

massive? that's completely opinionated

both maps have death mtn, kakariko village, hyrule castle, forests etc etc

I know both maps, it's all in the interpretation, if you want I can post images that
show how LoZ, AoL, OoT, TP, and ALttP are all the same map with unimportant
changes

Did you even read Smertios's geo thread? It shows how they're all the same, the only way to have ALTTP and TP look even slightly alike is to take the wii version(which isn't canon!) and flip it upside down! Show me one thread that shows they're the same map that's as in depth as Smertios's and i might buy it!

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Considering that Daphnes annihilated Hyrule with a Triforce wish and a lightning-infused ocean dropped upon the land, I doubt that the Temple of Time pedestal survived on the Adult Timeline.

Not even a magical pedestal that serves as the anchor to the Sacred Realm? (and is apparently the only surviving relic among an entire ruin)

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Not even a magical pedestal that serves as the anchor to the Sacred Realm? (and is apparently the only surviving relic among an entire ruin)

Wouldn't it ( along with everything else in old Hyrule ) be buried under the 'New Hyrule' that is made of islands being connected to each other?

Originally Posted by Nerushi

Wouldn't it ( along with everything else in old Hyrule ) be buried under the 'New Hyrule' that is made of islands being connected to each other?

Not necessarily, as it seems the "flooded" lands would have to be "raised" to be adjoined to the new islands. Besides, the forest we see in TP seems to appear in TWW anyway, so I see no reason why the Temple of Time could not have outlasted the flood on high ground.

Wouldn't the islands raise the land up higher over time? Although when you think about it if the Godesses can decide to flood hyrule why can't they just decide to make all the water dissappear?

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Not even a magical pedestal that serves as the anchor to the Sacred Realm? (and is apparently the only surviving relic among an entire ruin)

Daphnes wished for Hyrule to be erased by the Triforce. Important as that pedestal is, I doubt that it'd survive a Triforce wish.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Daphnes wished for Hyrule to be erased by the Triforce. Important as that pedestal is, I doubt that it'd survive a Triforce wish.

Ganon wished to conquer the world, but the Sages' Seal seems to have put a stop to that.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Ganon wished to conquer the world, but the Sages' Seal seems to have put a stop to that.

He conquered it as Agahnim, and the situations regarding the two wishes are different. We know that Ganon's wish wasn't carried out instantly, probably due to the fact that he qualified for the evil kidnapping of the Triforce mentioned in AoL and ALttP instead of being worthy. However, we blatantly see that Daphnes' wish was carried out right after he wished for it. The fact that an entire ocean infused with magical lightning fell upon the land only goes to show that his wish was indeed carried out in a substantial way. The Triforce basically brought about the Apocalypse as far as Hyrule is concerned.

Daphnes' wish was clearly carried out and I sincerely doubt that the Pedestal of Time would survive a Triforce wish involving the annihilation of the pedestal.