Revised Timeline theory

Originally Posted by Slagr

That land will not be Hyrule. It's a literal statement.

EDIT:

I could swear I saw it when I played the game. I'll find it sometime.

It's open to interpretation whether the statement is literal or not. ST will probably clear this up once it's announced. Also, please do find it when you can.

Consider this extremely theoretical and poorly written statement.

Old man named ted is dying.
One son says to the other 'When I have a kid I'm gonna raise him to be the next dad!'
Other son: 'But he won't be dad, will he? He'll be your son- dad'll still be dead.'
First son: 'Yeah, I know that, but i'm still gonna name him Ted out of respect and homage.'

Saying 'It won't be Hyrule' means it obviously won't be the current Hyrule- nothing to suggest it won't still be named it. Think of how many cities and countries there are in our world named after old cities and countries.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Consider this extremely theoretical and poorly written statement.
Old man named ted is dying.
One son says to the other 'When I have a kid I'm gonna raise him to be the next dad!'
Other son: 'But he won't be dad, will he? He'll be your son- dad'll still be dead.'
First son: 'Yeah, I know that, but i'm still gonna name him Ted out of respect and homage.'

Saying 'It won't be Hyrule' means it obviously won't be the current Hyrule- nothing to suggest it won't still be named it. Think of how many cities and countries there are in our world named after old cities and countries.

This is what i was trying to say! Wasn't the town in MC called HYRULE TOWN? If hyrule didn't exist until a few years prior to OOT it wouldn't be called this!

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

This is what i was trying to say! Wasn't the town in MC called HYRULE TOWN? If hyrule didn't exist until a few years prior to OOT it wouldn't be called this!

Please, stop throw out unfounded statement and prove them before you use them as evidence.

It was called hyrule town nerushi, the when the unification war was over they named it Hyrule after the governing race the Hylians, therefore it wasn't known as hyrule beforehand!

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

It was called hyrule town nerushi, the when the unification war was over they named it Hyrule after the governing race the Hylians, therefore it wasn't known as hyrule beforehand!

This is simply not true. Hyrule is know to have existed long before any conflicts occured. The UW was when the King of Hyrule unified with other races in order to stop the constant conflict. This is why there a lack of races in TMC. They weren't a part of Hyrule.

Yes but i don't believe it was called hyrule before hand, that's what it was reffered to after the unification war was over. Let me find a source.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Consider this extremely theoretical and poorly written statement.

Old man named ted is dying.
One son says to the other 'When I have a kid I'm gonna raise him to be the next dad!'
Other son: 'But he won't be dad, will he? He'll be your son- dad'll still be dead.'
First son: 'Yeah, I know that, but i'm still gonna name him Ted out of respect and homage.'

Saying 'It won't be Hyrule' means it obviously won't be the current Hyrule- nothing to suggest it won't still be named it. Think of how many cities and countries there are in our world named after old cities and countries.

This is what I believe Daphnes was trying to say. Thanks for writing it out to be easily understandable.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Consider this extremely theoretical and poorly written statement.

Old man named ted is dying.
One son says to the other 'When I have a kid I'm gonna raise him to be the next dad!'
Other son: 'But he won't be dad, will he? He'll be your son- dad'll still be dead.'
First son: 'Yeah, I know that, but i'm still gonna name him Ted out of respect and homage.'

Saying 'It won't be Hyrule' means it obviously won't be the current Hyrule- nothing to suggest it won't still be named it. Think of how many cities and countries there are in our world named after old cities and countries.

that might be the case, except for the fact that Tetra says:

"We WILL find it!

The land that will be the next Hyrule!"

and Daphnes promptly shoots down her statement by saying that land will not be Hyrule. If Nintendo really wanted a Hyrule to exist after WW, they really did a good job of including text that destroys the entire idea. If one or the other of the quotes had been included, you might have a point, but the combination of both makes the message quite clear.

So the proper comparison using you example would be: "I'm going to name my son Ted after you, dad!"

"But son, he won't be Ted."

Originally Posted by Slagr

So the proper comparison using you example would be: "I'm going to name my son Ted after you, dad!"

"But son, he won't be Ted."

What's the problem with that?? :/

@Slagr: I agree that that's the way to interpret it, but it really does seem like ST is meant to go on the AT.

Unless that land isn't Hyrule, it seems like there will be a Hyrule after TWW (whether or not that bridges to other games... who knows.)

Originally Posted by Sign-of-Madness

@Slagr: I agree that that's the way to interpret it, but it really does seem like ST is meant to go on the AT.

Unless that land isn't Hyrule, it seems like there will be a Hyrule after TWW (whether or not that bridges to other games... who knows.)

I'd say that the mere fact that there are trains in ST and suddenly nothing in LoZ (as in the popular timeline here) or anything remotely close to that technology in FSA would be enough of an indicator to show that none of the old games go on the AT, even if ST is in Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Slagr

I'd say that the mere fact that there are trains in ST and suddenly nothing in LoZ (as in the popular timeline here) or anything remotely close to that technology in FSA would be enough of an indicator to show that none of the old games go on the AT, even if ST is in Hyrule.

Right, because when they made LoZ and FSA they new that they would eventually make a game that had steam technology. [/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Right, because when they made LoZ and FSA they new that they would eventually make a game that had steam technology. [/sarcasm]

right, because when they made ST they forgot that they made LoZ and FSA with little or no technology at all. [/sarcasm]

Ever heard of Dark Ages??

Originally Posted by Slagr

right, because when they made ST they forgot that they made LoZ and FSA with little or no technology at all. [/sarcasm]

*Facepalm*

Nintendo isn't going to make a stupid business decision and stick with the same old, same old just to keep something as trivial to them as the timeline.

Originally Posted by Slagr

that might be the case, except for the fact that Tetra says:

"We WILL find it!

The land that will be the next Hyrule!"

and Daphnes promptly shoots down her statement by saying that land will not be Hyrule.

It won't be, considering he's attached to Hyrule and himself said he was never able to move on. Any "new land" they found wouldn't be Hyrule - which is why he turns down their offer to come with them.

But... you really think he wished to bring them hope, then immediately shot down the first glimmer of hope they had?

right, because when they made ST they forgot that they made LoZ and FSA with little or no technology at all. [/sarcasm]

Argument goes both ways really - there's an automated, motor-powered crane in TP.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

But... you really think he wished to bring them hope, then immediately shot down the first glimmer of hope they had?

Hope =/= free Triforce wish. Also, considering that Tetra told Link that she wanted to leave Hyrule and go back to the Great Sea and Link apparently has no opinion on things, we can't even say that they wanted a new Hyrule. Tetra's comment could have even just been a desperate attempt to keep Daphnes from killing himself.

Since you guys are talking about the discussion between Tetra and Daphnes in TWW, here's the Japanese text:

Originally Posted by King Hyrule

我が子らよ・・・聞いてくれ 私は過去を悔い 過去と向き合って　生きてきた
My children… Please listen. I regret the past. I lived facing the past.
My children... Listen to me. I have lived regretting the past. And I have faced those regrets.

もう一度、やり直せれば・・・ ありし日の王国のことを 考えない日はなかった 私は、この地ハイラルに縛られていた
If only I could do it over again… There wasn’t a single day in which I didn’t think of the old kingdom. I was bound to this land of Hyrule.
If only I could do things over again... Not a day of my life has gone by without my thoughts turning to my kingdom of old. I have lived bound to Hyrule.

その意味では、 ガノンドロフと私は同じなのだ
This means that Ganondorf and I were the same.
In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf.

だが・・・
But…
But you...

お前たちには、 前をむいて生きて欲しいのだ なにも無いかもしれない・・・ それでも、その先を見つめて 歩いて欲しいのだ
I want you two to live while facing forward. There might not be anything there… But I want you to look forward and walk forward.
I want you to live for the future. There may be nothing left for you... But despite that, you must look forward and walk a path of hope, trusting that it will sustain you when darkness comes.

さらばだ・・・ 私たち大人は、お前たちに こんな世界しか残すことができなかった
Farewell… us adults were only able to leave you this world.
Farewell... This is the only world that your ancestors were able to leave you.

ゆるしておくれ
Please forgive us.
Please...forgive us.

Originally Posted by Zelda

あ、あのさ！ 一緒に、一緒にさがせばいいんだよ！
H-hey! You… you could come search with us!
W-Wait! You could... You could come with us!

そうだよ！　船はあるんだ！ きっと見つかるさ！ ハイラルになる大地がさ！
That’s it! We have a ship! We’d definitely find it! We’d find land that could become Hyrule!
Yes, of course... We have a ship! We can find it. We WILL find it! The land that will be the next Hyrule!

だから・・・
So…
So…

Originally Posted by King Hyrule

・・・・・・ ああ、だが、そこは、 ハイラルではない
……Yes, but that wouldn’t be Hyrule.
...Ah, but child... That land will not be Hyrule.

お前たちの国だ！！
It would be your land!!
It will be YOUR land!

我、種子を放てり・・・
I have scattered the seeds…
I have scattered the seeds of the future...

Originally Posted by Artemicion

It won't be, considering he's attached to Hyrule and himself said he was never able to move on. Any "new land" they found wouldn't be Hyrule - which is why he turns down their offer to come with them.

But... you really think he wished to bring them hope, then immediately shot down the first glimmer of hope they had?

just because they're not going to make a new Hyrule doesn't mean they can't make a new land. The hope is still there.

Argument goes both ways really - there's an automated, motor-powered crane in TP.

but I'd rather account for one cataclysm on the CT than an additional one (besides the flood) on the AT. Occam's Razor and whatnot.

What intrigues me more about whether or not ST's world is called Hyrule or not is whether or not the princess is going to be called Zelda.

One could argue that it's blindingly obvious she's Zelda, and I agree- but why?

In PH Tetra complained so much when her pirates called her Zelda, so why would she feel the need to carry on the dynasty and name her children in accordance with the destiny even in this new land that may or may not also be called Hyrule?

I hope we get answers rather than just Nintendo not thinking things through...