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Old 07-15-2009, 06:17 PM
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Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

OK you guys lots of people placed FSA and ALTTP in CT because of the MS location in TP. But if you look the Desert in FSA it has a coast. Gerudo desert does not have a coast.





As you can see the Desert of doubt and the Gerudo desert are not the same.
TP Gerudo Desert is connected to Lake Hylia while the Desert of Doubt is connected to Hyrule field.

This is also one the reasons why FSA is in the AT and not the CT.

What do you guys think?
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:22 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

Depends on how you look at things.

FSA was originally going to be the SW. Weather it was placed on the CT or the AT was unconfirmed.

The beta map of FSA (which was made before the plot of the SW was cut) shows FSA being on an island.

So if it came on the CT originally then the FSA map is not Canon, and it can be Gerudo desert.

But if FSA came on the AT originally then yes you're absolutely correct.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:25 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

Hmmmm, nerushi was wrong the TP and FSA geography don't match at all! Look at the blatant differences. This proves it! ALTTP and FSA happen in HP on the AT!
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:37 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

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Hmmmm, nerushi was wrong the TP and FSA geography don't match at all! Look at the blatant differences. This proves it! ALTTP and FSA happen in HP on the AT!
A Link to the Past is not on an island, Dark Oni Link! And the Master Sword is found in a grove, indicating that it follows Twilight Princess! Why would Link used the Four Sword if the Master Sword exists?

The Four Sword can easily be seen as a replacment for the Master Sword in New Hyrule after the Master Sword was lost in The Wind Waker.

And A Link to the Past's backstory was changed to match up with events mention in Twilight Princess: Dark Inteloper war thing.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:43 PM
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A Link to the Past is not on an island, Dark Oni Link! And the Master Sword is found in a grove, indicating that it follows Twilight Princess! Why would Link used the Four Sword if the Master Sword exists?

The Four Sword can easily be seen as a replacment for the Master Sword in New Hyrule after the Master Sword was lost in The Wind Waker.

And A Link to the Past's backstory was changed to match up with events mention in Twilight Princess: Dark Inteloper war thing.
We'll never agree on this but i think the similarities between ALTTP and FSA's maps are too numerous to ignore, i don't buy the MS in the forest arguement as evidence considering all the geographic inconsistencies between TP and ALTTP, or TP-FSA-ALTTP.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:51 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

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We'll never agree on this but i think the similarities between ALTTP and FSA's maps are too numerous to ignore, i don't buy the MS in the forest arguement as evidence considering all the geographic inconsistencies between TP and ALTTP, or TP-FSA-ALTTP.
He's right you can't based FSA in CT because of the MS being in the Sacred Grove.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:54 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

Pinecove, you frequently act like the original map was islandic, we have no idea. The oldest map we've found from Beta stages are already post-cel-transformation, so we don't know.

Even if it were originally based on aLttP despite aLttP being thought to be CT and still an island, perhaps that's one of the many inconsistencies that led to his change. There is so much to consider and we can't just claim the map 'isn't canon' if it doesn't fit our ideals.

The only thing we KNOW about why the story was changed so much is because the story would make the chronology/connections/over story 'confusing to the player'.

We can't assume any more than that.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:07 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

I think if FSA was intended to be the seal war and was still an island than it proves ALTTP goes on the AT. Which proves my point. The coast could be retcon to make it fit on the AT better.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:43 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

But I reply we don't know this and probably never will. Also, who knows that the reason for removing the connection was thus-

'Hey we're making a Seal War game'
'Good, we needed a new one since buggering it up with OoT'
'It's got the four sword, it's multiplayer!'
'Er... really?'
'Yeah, we've put it on the AT like tMC and FS!'
'Um... but we're making this game about aLttP being on the CT...'
'Oh bollocks... um... let's see if we can sort this out so close to release without confusing anyone...'
FAIL.

Any one of a million conversations like this could have been the source of all the confusion for a hundred different placements. Using entirely fictional reasoning about the unknown processes of development is not one I want to be a part of.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:47 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

It fits on the AT nevertheless and has way more geographic similarities to ALTTP than TP does. How do you know OOT's story wasn't intentionally different. The developer's could say that it's nothing but a legend so it was changed around a little.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:52 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

I'm sure it could! You prove my point! Building a timeline around completely imaginary intention is bogus! There are a million different stories we could make up about the change, and we will never know so we can't make these blind assumptions!
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:02 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

I apologize if anybody's said this but aren't there two more islands in the background i wonder what they are(new hyrule*cough*)
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:03 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

I think it's just a bored art department.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:13 PM
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I apologize if anybody's said this but aren't there two more islands in the background i wonder what they are(new hyrule*cough*)
FSA is new Hyrule by the look of it. Sorry Oni, I think those are just regular islands in the background, just like the islands you see in MC's Palace of Winds.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:15 PM
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I think it's North hyrule- ie. tMC and AoL in my map.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:23 PM
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I think it's North hyrule- ie. tMC and AoL in my map.
I was thinking that too. That would mean that this is hyrule proper which has FSA, Loz, and IMO ALTTP taking place on it. The other island is new hyrule which has ST, AOL and Mc taking place on it.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:26 PM
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*refuses, dignified, to involve ST in any timeline debate*
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:32 PM
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*refuses, dignified, to involve ST in any timeline debate*
Sorry i forgot that ST isn't confirmed yet, though it's a possibility i'll try to avoid mentioning it. Jo Goron come on! A bored art department! This game comes out right after WW, hyrule is an island, and there are other islands in the background and you blame it on a bored art department! I think the intention is fairly obvious.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:37 PM
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Sorry i forgot that ST isn't confirmed yet, though it's a possibility i'll try to avoid mentioning it. Jo Goron come on! A bored art department! This game comes out right after WW, hyrule is an island, and there are other islands in the background and you blame it on a bored art department! I think the intention is fairly obvious.
Ha, yeah, I guess what I meant to say was that it's just window dressing; some nice little islands in the background. I don't know enough about River Zora's theory regarding 'northern' Hyrule, so I can't really base an opinion.

On a slightly unrelated note; the more I stare at the two maps in the OP, the more I get the idea that they're the same map, just pulled together in the wrong order.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:46 PM
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Re: Desert of Doubt is not Gerudo Desert

The geogrpahy is too inconsistent for them to be the same map.
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