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Talking My Timeline (beware, it's long).

This is a timeline I mainly made for my site: Zelda Temple

I've decided to make a timeline theory of my own and that is using games I have played thus far. Note that this is all my own theory and is not in anyway affected much by Nintendo’s timeline or their theories, but mainly my own thoughts and what I have seen in this timeline. Please do note as well that I have decided to post my main time in the beginning to show you my thoughts and the paragraphs following are describing how two parts in the timeline are connected and how the possibly affect one another.

.........TWW / PH
......./
OOT
.......\
........MM - TP - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL - OOX - LA

First off, this is what all people put down as the first Zelda, which is Ocarina of Time. The events of OOT split the timeline into two parts, the events covering after the defeat of Ganondorf, and the events after which Link puts the Master Sword away. The sequel to OOT is Majora’s Mask, which takes place in a new country or dimension and also happens to take place when Link is a child. This is called the Child Timeline, or whatever happened after the events of Link’s departure in OOT. The other part of this timeline is the Adult Timeline, which are the events after Ganondorf is sealed in the Sacred Realm.

Child Timeline:


OOT and MM: Obviously the two are connected because of the events in the beginning of the game. The game starts of telling a story of a boy who traveled through time and now is searching for a lost friend, with the hint of a fairy noise possibly showing that Link is looking for Navi, his fairy partner from OOT. As well, many of the characters in MM are the same characters from OOT. You have Cremia and Romani who are both the child and adult Malon, Anju is the Cucco Lady from Kakariko, Sakon the guy who prances in Hyrule Castle Market, the Gerudos who are pirates, and other similar characters.

MM and TP: Nothing much really connects the game together, but the events and speeches of Ganondorf really play a role in this. Notice that Ganondorf doesn’t know the Master Sword and only says: “Impressive looking blade, but nothing more.” Furthermore, Ganon doesn’t even recognize the tunic of the hero.

What could possibly have happened between MM and TP is this (please note this is my own theory and you don’t have to accept this): Link could have possibly returned to Hyrule after the events of MM. After which he spent sometime fighting monsters until his untimely death, and became the Hero’s Shade. This Shade would teach someone from his bloodline, which possibly after a hundred years or so, would become the Link from TP. The Hero’s Shade says “These do not leave our bloodline” which hints that the Shade and TP Link are connected.

Not only that, but the bow Link wields is called called the Hero’s Bow, the similar bow name to the one in Majora’s Mask. It could be that HoT used this same Hero’s Bow at one point or another and entrusted it to the Goron’s near the time of his death and it eventually was given to TP Link after defeating the Miniboss, Dangoro. The Fused Shadow also looks like Majora’s Mask, so possibly it was an artifact that was used in rituals similar to Majora’s Mask.

TP and ALTTP: Once again not much is connecting these two, but I have reason to believe that they are connected due to the placement of the Master Sword. As well, there is no possible way for ALTTP to be connected with the Adult Timeline, being as the Master Sword is stuck in Ganondorf’s head at the end of WW, and removing the blade would only unseal him again.

What I can theorize here with the Master Sword is the fact that both TP and ALTTP’s Master Swords are both in forests. Perhaps by the time that ALTTP happens, the Temple of Time would have crumbled to almost nothing and been covered by plant life. The only thing that would have kept together was the Pedestal of Time.

TMC & FSX and ALTTP: The reason I put these games together is due to the extreme similarity between the geography of ALTTP and the FSX games. As well, TMC leads up to what has happened in the FSX games, being with the sealing of Vaati and the story of the Four Sword. FSX and ALTTP also both have very similar geographies. Both have a desert to the southwest end of the map, and mountains to the north.

ALTTP to AOL: I haven’t played these games much, so I don’t really know what I can say about this just yet. I may change this later.

ALTTP and OOX: These games are connected because of the end of ALTTP where Link is in control of the Triforce. In OOX the Triforce is present in the Castle. Perhaps at the end of ALTTP, Link and Zelda decided it would be best to leave the Triforce in the Castle, under the care of the royal family. That would give the reason as to why the Triforce is in the Castle in OOX in the beginning of the games.

OOX (OOA and OOS) and LA: These games I put together purely because of the ending of the Oracle Series Linked Quest. At the end, it shows Link sailing off into the sea, waving goodbye to his friends and heading off to an adventure. In the beginning of LA, an older looking Link is seen on the seas, caught in a massive storm. His ship sinks and he awakens on Koholint Island, an island made by the dreams of the Windfish.

As for the Nightmare Bosses, I believe some of them are a mix of OOX Link’s memories and the Windfish’s. That explains why Link knows the Final Nightmare’s Agahnim form, since he was a miniboss in Oracle of Seasons, as well as Façade, Smasher, and Ghoma. Other bosses could have been caused by Link’s own fears of another similar creature.

Adult Timeline:


OOT and WW: “When I get back, I will exterminate your descendants!” Ganondorf shouts as he is hurled into the Sacred Realm. In WW, Ganondorf knows a lot more of the boy in green, Link, as well as the Master Sword than his other self, TP Ganondorf. WW Ganondorf says he’s been waiting for the hero, mainly for the Triforce of Courage which seems to be in nearly every Link (OOT, WW, TP, OOX [more as a mark not actual ToC]. Furthermore, Ganon knows of the Master Sword which was keeping his magic sealed. Once Link pulled it out, Ganon’s Magic was released. It was sometime before the sword was pulled out that the Sage of Wind, Fado, and Sage of Earth, Laruto, were killed, thus rendering the sword no different than Link’s sword he got from Orca. Once Ganon was killed, the Master Sword was put through his skull and it never washed up from the fully flooded Hyrule.

WW and PH: After the events of TWW, PH came along. According to Nintendo, PH’s events happen a good few months after TWW, thus making both of them sequels. Not only that, but PH also has Tetra’s entire Pirate Crew on board as well.

I am sorry if this sounds rushed, but I worked on it this morning and I often changed it a few times. This is the "evolution" of my timeline as I was working on it:

........TWW / PH - ST - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL - OOX - LA
....../
OOT
......\
.......MM - TP

........TWW / PH - ST - TMC - FS/FSA - LOZ - AOL
....../
OOT
......\
........MM - TP - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL - OOX - LA

........TWW / PH - ST - TMC - FS/FSA
....../
OOT
......\
........MM - TP - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL - OOX - LA

.........TWW / PH
......./
OOT
.......\
........MM - TP - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL - OOX - LA

My current timeline stays as followed, but if you wish to comment on it, I may just change it according to certain information.

.........TWW / PH
......./
OOT
.......\
........MM - TP - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL - OOX - LA
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:14 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

MC hyrule looks almost nothing like any hyrule we've seen thus far which is why i now believe it to be the new hyrule link and tetra found. Therefore you know my placement of FSS games. Not everyone agrees but i place ALTTP on the AT because of it's connections to FSA and the events of the OOT adult ending. LOZ/AOL practically have to take place on the AT because of the sages names being used to name towns. OOX is probably on the AT though that placement is a little vague. I place LA as a sequel to ALTTP not OOX. So you'll note i have only MM and TP on the CT.
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:20 PM
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MC hyrule looks almost nothing like any hyrule we've seen thus far which is why i now believe it to be the new hyrule link and tetra found.
I'm not siding with this. It could be the events of TMC happen MANY centuries after TP. I still place it after TP, since it is the beginning of FS and FSA.

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Not everyone agrees but i place ALTTP on the AT because of it's connections to FSA and the events of the OOT adult ending.
I don't see the connection but the events before OOT, the war between races before the King united everyone.

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LOZ/AOL practically have to take place on the AT because of the sages names being used to name towns.
I consider that more of a cameo.

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OOX is probably on the AT though that placement is a little vague. I place LA as a sequel to ALTTP not OOX. So you'll note i have only MM and TP on the CT.
I had that before, but read this paragraph I made:

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OOX (OOA and OOS) and LA: These games I put together purely because of the ending of the Oracle Series Linked Quest. At the end, it shows Link sailing off into the sea, waving goodbye to his friends and heading off to an adventure. In the beginning of LA, an older looking Link is seen on the seas, caught in a massive storm. His ship sinks and he awakens on Koholint Island, an island made by the dreams of the Windfish.
Don't give me the tl;dr stuff. You need to read the entire post in theories. ;D
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:31 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

Than the events of FSA happen many centuries after MC because MC's geography looks very little like either of them. AOL shows a Northern Hyrule that is like a giant landmass/island and it has the names of the sages which isn't a cameo, if anything is a cameo it's the fact they used those names when naming the sages from OOT. Just because he's sailing off doesn't mean anything, i'll admit OOX and LA probably happen very close to each other but i don't think they star the same link. Out of curiosity what do you consider the SW to be?
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:34 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

I disagree... But it's a very strong set of evidence that is one of many theories accepted as plausible. I could rattle off all the evidence that suggests away from the CT timeline, but there are many who would defend it. It's a darn sight better than many I've seen posted up here recently.

I will, however, complain about removing the intended aLttP/LA arc which was at one point confirmed, and seeing as LA doesn't affect the timeline at all there's no reason to think that it's been moved from it's original place. OoX, TWW, PH all have boats that people claim to indicate a link to LA, but it was supposed to be aLttP's Link and it features his nightmares.

What might help is to know which of those games you think have the same Link?
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:41 PM
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I will, however, complain about removing the intended aLttP/LA arc which was at one point confirmed, and seeing as LA doesn't affect the timeline at all there's no reason to think that it's been moved from it's original place. OoX, TWW, PH all have boats that people claim to indicate a link to LA, but it was supposed to be aLttP's Link and it features his nightmares.
Steve told me that on Skype... So I may change it.

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What might help is to know which of those games you think have the same Link?
LOZ and AOL
ALTTP and maybe LA
OOT and MM
OOS and OOA
TWW and PH
FS and FSA
TP
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:43 PM
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LOZ and AOL
ALTTP and maybe LA
OOT and MM
OOS and OOA
TWW and PH
FS and FSA
TP
TMC
Exactly what i believe. Though it seems pretty obvious.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:10 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

I like to think OoX have the same Link as aLttP as well, although there's little evidence unless you believe the current SW arguments. I only do that because I really don't like the idea of there being so many Links... kinda takes away from the legendariness.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:18 PM
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I like to think OoX have the same Link as aLttP as well, although there's little evidence unless you believe the current SW arguments. I only do that because I really don't like the idea of there being so many Links... kinda takes away from the legendariness.
Yes but it's hard to make a prequel to a game that came out before. There's not really much to say OOX Link is similar to ALTTP. As well, it's nice to have different types of Link's... As there's so much you can put into one version of Link.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:25 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

It's just in aLttP Zelda speaks to Link as if she'd met him before. I know there's no evidence, but unless you're a purist in the nature of the SW there's nothing to say they're not the same. I recently for different reasons changed my view on the SW and after realised I could make the two Links the same on my timeline. I just don't think 'the legendary hero' is so legendary if every generation has one!
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:39 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

Legendary Hero is referring to OOT... But this topic is derailing off the topic of my timeline. =/
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:47 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

Yeah, but he suddenly becomes far less legendary if he's of a line of hundreds

You're right, let's get back on track.

You gonna move LA to aLttP or vice versa?

Any questions about my order?
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:37 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

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but it was supposed to be aLttP's Link and it features his nightmares.
Fun fact. OoX/LA contains more exclusive enemy similarities. About 14 for OoX/LA to 5 for LttP/LA (although it can vary slightly depending on what you count as exclusive).

Give me any piece of evidence for LttP/LA. I'll bet almost anything that OoX/LA has more of the same evidence.

It's too much of a coincidence that the game that fits the LA backstory just as well as LttP contains more similarities and contains an ending that sets up LA perfectly.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:59 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

I'm thinking of moving the timeline a bit, but not sure.

.........TWW / PH - LOZ - AOL
......./
OOT
.......\
........MM - TP - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - OOX - LA

or

.........TWW / PH
......./
OOT
.......\
........MM - TP - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - OOX - LA - LOZ - AOL

or even:

.........TWW / PH
......./
OOT
.......\
........MM - TP - OOX - LA - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - LOZ - AOL

Just because there's no Master Sword in LOZ or AOL and there is one in the Oracle Games. Hmmm...
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Old 07-13-2009, 03:08 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

The oracles MS is non-canon. The first timeline you have in your newest post is better.
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Old 07-13-2009, 03:30 PM
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

You and your enemy similarities

The fact is that it was originally intended to be aLttP-LA and there's nothing to suggest that needs changing. There's nothing solidly to link the games, but there's nothing solidly to put OoX between them either.

It's just preference!

(EDIT: Yeah, I really don't think the MS in the oracles is canon. There's a number of reasons, but mainly for the blade of evil's bane to be given the status of optional side quest is a sad day indeed!)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_zpkoC_38

That shows enough to these two are connected. Plus the Marin sprite looks like the Zelda sprite.
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Marin is supposed to look like Zelda. Link notices that as soon as he sees her.
I'm not going to argue OoX-LA, though...it never goes anywhere.

The Timeline you had at the top of post #14 works the best, I think. Now can you right another nice, long explanation for it like you did for your first? Or are we still debating your first timeline?
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Re: My Timeline (beware, it's long).

If we're going by such intricacy into the detailing of these things then I'd like to point out that that boat can't be the boat of LA because that boat has a fore-and-aft rigged sail whereas the boat in LA is square rigged. This means that either Link must have swapped boats or bought a new style sail and rig at some point in his journey. I have no doubt that Capcom were trying to hint something here, but personally I don't put this past any more than a cameo. There is nothing or noone that says it is the same boat, whereas there was everything that said it went aLttP-AoL.
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The Timeline you had at the top of post #14 works the best, I think. Now can you right another nice, long explanation for it like you did for your first? Or are we still debating your first timeline?
Perhaps minor tweaks to the original post.

And this one is the one ya like?

.........TWW / PH - LOZ - AOL
......./
OOT
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........MM - TP - TMC - FS/FSA - ALTTP - OOX - LA
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