Child Link and the ToC (OOT ending)

No...she sends him back after the fact that she suggests that she can restore Link's childhood in the Child Timeline. There is nothing about anything about the Child Timeline before that text. Hence she was telling Link to lay the MS down in the Adult Timeline and not the Child Timeline.

Why would it be metaphorical if the door is actually open?

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

No...she sends him back after the fact that she suggests that she can restore Link's childhood in the Child Timeline. There is nothing about anything about the Child Timeline before that text. Hence she was telling Link to lay MS down in the Adult Timeline and not the Child Timeline.

What the hell? I want some of what you're smoking.

I'm not smoking anything. There is no proof of Zelda twisting Link's arm to go back to the Child Timeline until AFTER she tells Link to lay the MS in the Adult Timeline. This is old news to me so I'm shocked that you still believe that Zelda was talking about the Child Timeline when it is clear that she was not

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I'm not smoking anything. There is no proof of Zelda twisting Link's arm to go back to the Child Timeline until after she is telling Link to lay the MS in the Adult Timeline. This is old news to me so I'm shocked that you still believe that Zelda was talking about the Child Timeline when it is clear that she was not

No. She makes he little speech and immediately after, she plays the song of time and sends link back. There is no in-between time. She sends him back BEFORE he pulls out the MS. There is nothing to lay down if he never collected it. It's not like he sends him back as an adult, she makes him a child again.

Zelda doesnt not know about timelines. She just sends him back and tells him to close the door which is open.

Of course he has to put it back in the AT. He's not about to take it with him!

I personally believe he leaves it with Zelda. I have a theory about this. He leaves the sword there and the new castle is rebuilt from that spot. That is were TWW castle is created. The basement is were the sword is, there is a even an homage to the sages(they sealed ganon there), and a depiction of Ganon.

Makes perfect sense for the sword to be there.

No no no I agree with you that Zelda sends Link back to a time BEFORE he pulls out the MS. I'm talking about the dialogue in the scene in the sky

Thank you, Link...
Thanks to you, Ganondorf has been sealed inside the Evil Realm!
Thus, peace will once again reign in this world...for a time.
All the tragedy that has befallen Hyrule was my doing...
I was so young...I could not comprehend the consequences of trying to control
the Sacred Realm.
I dragged you into it, too. Now it is time for me to make up for my mistakes...
You must lay the Master Sword to rest and close the Door of Time...
However, by doing this, the road between times will be closed...


She is clearly talking about Link doing this in the Adult Timeline. And then she says:

Link, give the Ocarina to me...
As a Sage, I can return you to your original time with it.

It is NOW that Zelda is complying with Link's decision to entrust her in restoring his childhood.

I understand what you mean. But I believe he leaves the MS there with Zelda and not in ToT. I mean, that's the only way the MS in TWW makes any sense.

Yeah...I agree with your theory.

We also don't see him split the Triforce into 8 pieces at the end but we know he does, so presumably there's an extended 2 disk DVD version of that end sequence...

Originally Posted by River Zora

We also don't see him split the Triforce into 8 pieces at the end but we know he does, so presumably there's an extended 2 disk DVD version of that end sequence...

Well, that's different. The triforce splits on it's own. Link would be required to carry the MS all the way to the temple, which doesn't happen.

Originally Posted by Demo

I understand what you mean. But I believe he leaves the MS there with Zelda and not in ToT. I mean, that's the only way the MS in TWW makes any sense.

When Zelda teleports him away, he is seen taking the MS with him. He never leaves it with Zelda!

Originally Posted by Tulcaryar

When Zelda teleports him away, he is seen taking the MS with him. He never leaves it with Zelda!

If what you say is true then he would have the MS on him when we see him go back. When he returns to childhood the MS is untouched in the temple.

Originally Posted by Demo

If what you say is true then he would have the MS on him when we see him go back.

Why? He clearly doesn't "get back" the same way he "left," otherwise he'd be an adult when he returned to the past. So why would he be carrying anything he was carrying in the future in the past?

Future: Adult
Past: Kid

Future: Holding Master Sword
Past: Not holding Master Sword

Get it?

But I believe he leaves the MS there with Zelda and not in ToT. I mean, that's the only way the MS in TWW makes any sense.

If a BS explanation can exist for a post-OoT Master Sword, one can sure as heck exist for a post-TWW one!

Originally Posted by River Zora

It means 'I am sending you back so that the door might be closed' to me, Link isn't technically closing it, but by sending him back she is making sure it remains so.

It's quite open when he returns to the past at the end of the game.

I still don't understand why Zelda is in the castle if it's after Ganon has the Triforce, she should be on the lam with Impa.

"Gee, there's a funny Triforce mark on my hand; something must have happened to Link! I can't abandon him!"

Why? He clearly doesn't "get back" the same way he "left," otherwise he'd be an adult when he returned to the past. So why would he be carrying anything he was carrying in the future in the past?

Future: Adult
Past: Kid

Future: Holding Master Sword
Past: Not holding Master Sword

Get it?

Obviously. I am simply suggesting his stuff stayed in the future.

Originally Posted by Demo

Obviously. I am simply suggesting his stuff stayed in the future.

Then why doesn't he stay in the future?

Obviously we have text saying this was true for the Triforce of Courage, and he had to leave the Ocarina with Zelda, but there's nothing for the Master Sword.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Then why doesn't he stay in the future?

Obviously we have text saying this was true for the Triforce of Courage, and he had to leave the Ocarina with Zelda, but there's nothing for the Master Sword.

Well yeah, leaving the ToC was like leaving his liver in the future. It's something inside him. What I believe is that he left the MS with Zelda right there and the shrine in the TWW castle was built around that spot.

Isn't Link's ToC at the end of OOT overridden by the fact that the ToC shattered into
fragments when Adult Zelda sent him back (setting up for WW)?

Surely, it should just be the crest, and not the ToC...right?

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Isn't Link's ToC at the end of OOT overridden by the fact that the ToC shattered into
fragments when Adult Zelda sent him back (setting up for WW)?

Why would it be? He doesn't have the crest when he returns to the Temple of Time, so he must have received it later...

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Why would it be? He doesn't have the crest when he returns to the Temple of Time, so he must have received it later...

In all fairness the sequence in the ToT doesn't last long enough to focus
on the backs of Link's hands so why would the developers bother to include
it during that scene?

I'm not even sure you can make out the back of link's left hand in that scene