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Old 07-11-2009, 01:20 PM
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How did Zant get out?

How did Zant get out of the Twilight Realm? And how did Midna? The whole point of their being in the Twilight Realm was for it to be a prison for the interlopers. The only thing the interlopers lacked that ZAnt had was arguably the ToP, but then why didn't Ganondorf use it to leave the realm himself?

I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:45 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

Well, I believe that Zant left with Ganon's power. Maybe Ganon's seal was different? All we know is that Zant wouldn't have left if it weren't for Ganon's power, correct? I don't know why Ganon couldn't get out... Maybe he was weakened by the twilight.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:52 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

When Ganondorf was trying to free himself in LTTP, he made the Sacred Realm a copy of Hyrule, so Hyrule and the Sacred Realm would be drawn together and thus help him jump the gap. In TP, Ganondorf manages to inspire monsters to appear in areas even when he is not present, and to make areas take on the form of the Twighlight Realm. Essentially he starts to turn Hyrule into the Twilight Realm so that the areas would draw closer together and let him jump the gap. So roughly the mechanics invented for LTTP can possibly be applied to TP.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:57 PM
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When Ganondorf was trying to free himself in LTTP, he made the Sacred Realm a copy of Hyrule, so Hyrule and the Sacred Realm would be drawn together and thus help him jump the gap. In TP, Ganondorf manages to inspire monsters to appear in areas even when he is not present, and to make areas take on the form of the Twighlight Realm. Essentially he starts to turn Hyrule into the Twilight Realm so that the areas would draw closer together and let him jump the gap. So roughly the mechanics invented for LTTP can possibly be applied to TP.
That's a good theory man. He actually converted most places in Hyrule into the twilight realm. He changed them into a place where he already was in.

Excellent. That explains the whole reason behind the twilight spreading in that game(other than the excuse of Zant taking over Hyrule).
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:00 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

I knew how Ganondorf got out (just like you said). I was asking about Zant, who left before Hyrule had any twilight at all.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:02 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

Perhaps it's easier for Ganondorf to send someone else through than to send himself. He sent out a henchman in LTTP because he couldn't get out by himself.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:06 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

Well, some people believe it's the Agahnim relationship we see in AlttP. The thing is that as Midna, the twili cannot live in the normal world without dying. So the only two options I see here are:
-He uses ganon's ToP to resist the light.
-His armor protects him. Which is irrelevant during the boss battle.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:07 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

He cast out Midna and Ganondorf brought him through, simple as that.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:12 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

I did hear a theory once that Ganondorf didn't have a physical vessel until the end of the game, and that he was using Zant to house his power until then. But then again Twilight Princess has loads of plotholes that can't really be explained; such as the reasoning behind the kidnapping at the begining at the game, or Zelda's magical reapearence at the end.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:16 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

There is actually no reason why Zant should be able to get out and not Ganondorf. There is no seal on the TR apart from it naturally being another dimension. If Zant can use the ToP to defend against the light, so could Ganondorf...

Ok, I've come up with a possibility. When the interlopers entered the TR, the became spirits like Ganondorf. After being there for a longer period than Ganondorf, the interlopers developed bodies as the became acclimated to the TR. Zant had a body so he could be sent outside, but Ganondorf didn't. As the twilight took over Hyrule, Ganondorf entered this twilight Hyrule which in a sense was between the worlds of light and twilight. In twilit Hyrule, the twilight's effects were lessened and hie was exposed to his native light. In those conditions he could acquire a body much faster. As long as he reached the point where he could survive in the light before the twilight completely disappeared, he could complete his body while in the world of light.

Either that or he lived inside Zant. Yeah, that. It's simpler. I forgot that's actually what happens.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:18 PM
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Dammit! TP's storyline is so retarded....
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:20 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

I think the "kidnapping" was because Zant/Ganondorf was using the Bulblins to find the sacred light spirit springs, remember how the King Bulblin, after glacing around at the spring, blows his horn, and then a twilight portal appears? Pretty much he's like "yep, this is the place, time to call in the cavalry" and then they kidnapped the people so there would be no witnessess, but why wasn't link taken? Because they were in a hurry perhaps?
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:28 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

The kidnapping at the beginning was just the Bokoblin's selfishness. They wanted some captives. And the reason they didn't want to kidnap Link...Well, would you take the Hero into your base if you were them?

And the reason Ganondorf never appeared earlier was because he couldn't. I'd imagine that, just like the Twili cannot exist physically in the light world, Humans cannot physically exist in the Twilight Realm (Link being an exception.)

Ganon had the barrier around the Castle so he could go there easily, but he was still a spirit and couldn't leave the Castle. Once Midna broke the barrier, it was equivalent to awakening a Light Spirit, and Ganon was restored to his human form. Link and Midna breaking the barrier was the plan all along, since that happening would let him regain his human form, something he (possibly) couldn't do on his own.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:29 PM
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I think the "kidnapping" was because Zant/Ganondorf was using the Bulblins to find the sacred light spirit springs, remember how the King Bulblin, after glacing around at the spring, blows his horn, and then a twilight portal appears? Pretty much he's like "yep, this is the place, time to call in the cavalry" and then they kidnapped the people so there would be no witnessess, but why wasn't link taken? Because they were in a hurry perhaps?
I think it was because King bulblin couldn't see link from his vantage point.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:32 PM
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I think it was because King bulblin couldn't see link from his vantage point.
I believe it was because taking a man hostage would yield complications. It is easier to control women and children.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:39 PM
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Once Midna broke the barrier, it was equivalent to awakening a Light Spirit, and Ganon was restored to his human form. Link and Midna breaking the barrier was the plan all along, since that happening would let him regain his human form, something he (possibly) couldn't do on his own.
Makes no sense.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:52 PM
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Once Midna broke the barrier, it was equivalent to awakening a Light Spirit, and Ganon was restored to his human form. Link and Midna breaking the barrier was the plan all along, since that happening would let him regain his human form, something he (possibly) couldn't do on his own.
Ganondorf was a spirit while in the Twilight. He had no way of changing himself back. Once Midna broke the barrier, he returned to his human form.

Like how the Spirits of people in Hyrule changed back to humans once you wake the Light spirits.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:57 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

But the Triforce stops you becoming a spirit. It made Link become a wolf and Zelda not transform at all. Why would Ganon, also holding a Triforce, be forced to become a spirit?
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:14 PM
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Re: How did Zant get out?

Gannondorf was in his human form when he was in the TR. This was because of the ToP. He used his control of the ToP to convince the twili that he was a god.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:27 PM
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Ganondorf was a spirit while in the Twilight. He had no way of changing himself back. Once Midna broke the barrier, he returned to his human form.

Like how the Spirits of people in Hyrule changed back to humans once you wake the Light spirits.
Do you mean that there was probably twilight around the castle and the barrier contained the twilight around castle and while Ganondorf was in the castle, he was in the Twilight thus keeping him the spirit form?
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