Canon items

I think

Trident of Power is canon:

LoZ (no preference)
ALTTP (Most Likely)
OOA/OOS (No)
FSA (Yes)

Mirrors:

ALTTP (stand alone)

still debating with myself:
TP/FSA (same mirror)
TP/FSA (not the same mirror)

Can I ask why you don't see the Trident as canon in OoX? The combined ending with Ganon seems perfectly canon to me, as it contradicts very little in regards to the other games in the series.

Originally Posted by Viral

Can I ask why you don't see the Trident as canon in OoX? The combined ending with Ganon seems perfectly canon to me, as it contradicts very little in regards to the other games in the series.

I think he means that the trident ganon uses during the battle isn't important to anything like the one from FSA is.

On the contrary, there are various theories that show that the Trident in OoX could be the very same used in FSA, and hence the games can be connected. That's why I wish to know whether he believes that the Trident itself is not canon or if OoX is not canon.

Originally Posted by Viral

Can I ask why you don't see the Trident as canon in OoX? The combined ending with Ganon seems perfectly canon to me, as it contradicts very little in regards to the other games in the series.

Because I think that TP leads into OOA/S
(because Twinrova didn't die in the CT) and TP Ganondorf has no Trident

Sure you can put it even later in the timeline, but that makes it
harder to explain Twinrova, I don't see them as reincarnations,
I think the only enemy capable of reincarnation is ganondorf/ganon

But OoX doesn't feature a reincarnating Ganon, it features a revival similar to that in AoL. Twinrova are resurrecting Ganon, he is not simply bringing himself back to life.

Also, Ganon is revived with the Trident in hand, so Ganondorf not having the Trident in TP is a moot point.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Because I think that TP leads into OOA/S
(because Twinrova didn't die in the CT) and TP Ganondorf has no Trident

Sure you can put it even later in the timeline, but that makes it
harder to explain Twinrova, I don't see them as reincarnations,
I think the only enemy capable of reincarnation is ganondorf/ganon

That's the problem. People are coming up with timelines and using them to decide what in OoX is or isn't canon. It doesn't work that way. You decide what is canon and use it to make a timeline, not the other way around.

To me the Tridents of aLttP, OoX and OoT (the two three pronged swords Miyamoto claimed to be an attempt to bring the old pig Ganon into realistic 3D) are unrelated to the FSA Trident.

In aLttP and OoX he just seems to magic them out of the air. One moment he is not holding it, he fires some spells, then he decides he wants to attack with the Trident so does, creates it, etc. In short his Trident seems to be made by him- a result of his power, not the cause of it.

In FSA he holds it the entire battle. He seems to have no power beyond what it gives him- every attack uses it, magic is fired from it and he lunges with it like, well, like a Trident. It never leaves his side- much more symbolic of a source of his power in contrast to the other games.

i din't say OOA/S Ganon was reincarnated, I said that I don't like the idea
of Twinrova being reincarnated

what do you mean it is a moot point?
it's canon because he is revived with it?

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

That's the problem. People are coming up with timelines and using them to decide what in OoX is or isn't canon. It doesn't work that way. You decide what is canon and use it to make a timeline, not the other way around.

but there is no way to make it all fit perfectly

it's fine to use a majority of evidence to override
something minor

I mean that Ganondorf not having the Trident in TP has no bearing on whether OoX comes after it because Ganon has the Trident when he is revived by Twinrova.

Originally Posted by Viral

I mean that Ganondorf not having the Trident in TP has no bearing on whether OoX comes after it because Ganon has the Trident when he is revived by Twinrova.

no, that thought comes from thinking OOX Twinrova is from child link's era

But how does Ganondorf not having the Trident act as evidence to say that OoX comes after TP, where Ganon is revived with the Trident? That is what you said in your original response.

Originally Posted by Viral

But how does Ganondorf not having the Trident act as evidence to say that OoX comes after TP, where Ganon is revived with the Trident? That is what you said in your original response.

all i said was that because i think it's OOT Twinrova,
I think they revive TP Ganon,
and because it's TP Ganon, how did he get the trident?
because he never had a trident, it is perhaps not canon

got it?

That makes sense, however, that means you are making a judgement on the canonity of the Trident in OoX simply because you place OoX after TP.
And if Twinrova revive TP Ganondorf in OoX, then how is he in his Pig form, Ganon? Ganondorf's Twilight Transformation is not the same as the Blue Pig form that we see in LoZ/LttP.

Read my post which has been hitherto ignored to see what I think as to the Trident in OoX. Viral, he is not revived with it.

Post 8- lookie.

Originally Posted by Viral

That makes sense, however, that means you are making a judgement on the canonity of the Trident in OoX simply because you place OoX after TP.
And if Twinrova revive TP Ganon in OoX, then how is he in his Pig form? Ganon's Twilight Transformation is not the same as the Blue Pig form that we see in LoZ/LttP.

On the other hand, how do you explain Twinrova?

To me it seems either Twinrova is canon or the Trident is.
(unless Twinrova can be reincarnated or live centuries beyond 400 years old)

To me a pig is a pig, though graphical appearances differ, all the pig
forms are the same (plus they couldn't make him look like TP Ganon/pig
because it wasn't created yet)

If they couldn't make Ganon in TP the Blue Pig because he hadn't been "spawned/created" yet, then how is he present in OoX, right after TP?
It is extremely likely that the Ganon we see in TP is different to the Blue Pig form, as the transformation is completely different (he uses Twilight Magic).

I am unsure about Twinrova myself. If OoX takes place on the Child Timeline, there is no problem, as Link does not kill them on that side.

Originally Posted by Viral

If they couldn't make Ganon in TP the Blue Pig because he hadn't been "spawned/created" yet, then how is he present in OoX, right after TP?
It is extremely likely that the Ganon we see in TP is different to the Blue Pig form, as the transformation is completely different (he uses Twilight Magic).

I am unsure about Twinrova myself. If OoX takes place on the Child Timeline, there is no problem, as Link does not kill them on that side.

I meant to say that he hadn't been visually designed yet by the developers

TP Ganon uses the ToP, not the Twili magic, that is in Midna's possession.
Even Zant never uses Twili Magic. remember he says something like

'how dare you suggest this is our old magic'

Zant is powered by Ganon, and Ganon has the ToP

EDIT: I read your post River Zora, but I don't think Viral buys that idea, so I didn't bring it up

The Mirrors in FSA and TP are far too similar to not be related to each other, if they're not the same mirror. Since I put FSA in the AT, I think of its mirror as the unbroken Mirror of Twilight. If you put FSA in the CT, you can say that Mirror of Twilight was somehow repaired.

FSA's Trident is a definite yes, and ALttP Ganon's Trident is important if you put ALttP right after FSA.

EDIT: But Zant and Ganon both seem to use twilight magic. Every time Zant changes his attack pattern he has a large Twili symbol behind him. And he uses Twili magic to make portals. Ganondorf disintegrates Twili-style to possess Zelda and he uses Twilight portals as Ganon.