My Adult Time Line So Far...

I'm sorry my thread is so long. I get carried away with these things.
Yeah, yeah, it may be just speculation, but hear me out.

OoT is first. Bottom line. Some people believe TMC is first. They are wrong. How can TMC be first if there was legend of a boy dressed in green before TMC? I think TMC takes place sometime after TWW/PH. I think that Vaati is an incarnation of Bellum, because Bellum doesn't have a real body, he is a phantom, and he lives in the bottom of the Temple of the Ocean King, the darkest area, to survive with his monstrous, grotesque, shadow form (Bellum may indeed be an incarnation of Ganon himself after he was defeated in TWW. Ganon's body turns to stone and drowns, not his spirit, after all, he does have the Triforce of Power for goodness-sakes! Anything's possible. Plus, it never says where Bellum got his evil from). This would explain why he takes over Linebeck's body, and temporarily the Ghost Ship, because he can't survive in the world because he doesn't have a real body. This also explains why Vaati looks so evil (and Ezlo took him in because he was unique), compared to the other Picori, and why Vaati's Wrath is an eyeball monster, like Bellum. Plus, Vaati's belt look a lot like Bellum.

Don't give me this, "but the Gerudo were wiped out and they appear in FS/FSA. If FS/FSA takes place after TMC, where do the Gerudo come from?" The Gerudo are theoretically known to be pirates, they most likely survived the great flood on their boats and made their own island (the Goron's have their own island, and they can't even swim, they drown!!). Most Gerudo were banished into the twilight realm in TP I'm sure, but some of them could have fled with their Hylian boyfriends (the gossip stones say the Gerudo come to Market Town in search for boyfriends) to reproduce in an unknown land away from Hyrule. I think Jolene is a Gerudo because she is a pirate, and this backs up the theory of the Gerudo having ship skills. In TWW/PH it doesn't show all of the world after the great flood. TMC and FS/FSA takes place in (new)Hyrule. In TWW, you have to find New Hyrule. New Hyrule, Koholint Island, Labrynna, and Holodrum are posibly big landmasses of the Great Sea, result of the great flood, and over a lot of time. The Gerudo could have (after the great flood) took residence in New Hyrule, in the desert, their original ecosystem. This applies to Zuna as well (except for without the Hylian boyfriends hahah). They both could have took residence in New Hyrule, but remained in secrecy because (possibly) of their bad history (because the theories on them being banished into the Twiligth Realm) and possibly wanting to make a new start. The two races could have not known about each other until later in time. The Zuna could have been in the unknown land where the Gerudo fled to...?

TMC's Link is garbed in green possibly because he is a descendant of TWW's Link after founding New Hyrule, which means that TMC takes place in New Hyrule.
Obviously TMC takes place after FS/FSA.

I also think that Link's Awakening takes place somewhere right after PH, as like, a side quest or something (I haven't played it yet).

Basically my adult time line so far- TWW, PH, LA, TMC, FS, FSA
I'm still working on the Child time line...

I know I'll probably change this after SP comes out, but it hasn't yet so this is what I got. SP is most likely last because of it's train technology. I'm still unsure of where to place ALTTP, OOA/OOS, TLOZ, & AOL etc...
Please critique my thread so I can work on my time line better, but please don't make this thread into a war zone (for the people that actually read this).

How does LA come after PH?

Originally Posted by Arceus

How does LA come after PH?

Because I figure that on the way to finding New Hyrule, since he hasn't found it yet in PH, Link gets shipwrecked landing on Koholint Island. In my theory I say that New Hyrule, Koholint Island, Labrynna, and Holodrum are posibly big landmasses of the Great Sea. I think (since I haven't played it yet, and basing my info on wikipedia) after LA, he builds a new ship and continues his search for New Hyrule, he finds it after LA because maybe Koholint Island is near New Hyrule, since they are all big landmasses...

Originally Posted by aaron-michael

OoT is first. Bottom line. Some people believe TMC is first. They are wrong. How can TMC be first if there was legend of a boy dressed in green before TMC?

you obviously don't even respect the opposing argument so I won't bother debating this area with you.

I think TMC takes place sometime after TWW/PH. I think that Vaati is an incarnation of Bellum, because Bellum doesn't have a real body, he is a phantom, and he lives in the bottom of the Temple of the Ocean King, the darkest area, to survive with his monstrous, grotesque, shadow form (Bellum may indeed be an incarnation of Ganon himself after he was defeated in TWW. Ganon's body turns to stone and drowns, not his spirit, after all, he does have the Triforce of Power for goodness-sakes! Anything's possible. Plus, it never says where Bellum got his evil from). This would explain why he takes over Linebeck's body, and temporarily the Ghost Ship, because he can't survive in the world because he doesn't have a real body. This also explains why Vaati looks so evil (and Ezlo took him in because he was unique), compared to the other Picori, and why Vaati's Wrath is an eyeball monster, like Bellum. Plus, Vaati's belt look a lot like Bellum.

and why does Vaati have to be Bellum's incarnation? Why not the other way around for the exact same reasons?

Don't give me this, "but the Gerudo were wiped out and they appear in FS/FSA. If FS/FSA takes place after TMC, where do the Gerudo come from?" The Gerudo are theoretically known to be pirates, they most likely survived the great flood on their boats and made their own island (the Goron's have their own island, and they can't even swim, they drown!!). Most Gerudo were banished into the twilight realm in TP I'm sure, but some of them could have fled with their Hylian boyfriends (the gossip stones say the Gerudo come to Market Town in search for boyfriends) to reproduce in an unknown land away from Hyrule. I think Jolene is a Gerudo because she is a pirate, and this backs up the theory of the Gerudo having ship skills.

but TP shows actual Gerudo descendants, and I'd rather go with the obviously alive Gerudo than the "maybe they're somewhere else" argument.

In TWW/PH it doesn't show all of the world after the great flood.

but WW does show well beyond OoT Hyrule, so all (or even most) of OoT's races should be present. With PH in the equation, if you don't see Gerudo in either area, they're gone.

TMC and FS/FSA takes place in (new)Hyrule. In TWW, you have to find New Hyrule. New Hyrule, Koholint Island, Labrynna, and Holodrum are posibly big landmasses of the Great Sea, result of the great flood, and over a lot of time.

Koholint does not exist, and Holodrum and Labrynna are (possibly) parts of AoL's map, which is north of OoT/LttP/LoZ Hyrule. There is no necessity for a flood to explain non-Hyrule areas.

The Gerudo could have (after the great flood) took residence in New Hyrule, in the desert, their original ecosystem. This applies to Zuna as well (except for without the Hylian boyfriends hahah). They both could have took residence in New Hyrule, but remained in secrecy because (possibly) of their bad history (because the theories on them being banished into the Twiligth Realm) and possibly wanting to make a new start. The two races could have not known about each other until later in time. The Zuna could have been in the unknown land where the Gerudo fled to...?

or, the Gerudo descendants in TP continued the race into FSA.

which sounds more likely?

TMC's Link is garbed in green possibly because he is a descendant of TWW's Link after founding New Hyrule, which means that TMC takes place in New Hyrule.

take a look at tMC's BS again.

Obviously TMC takes place after FS/FSA.

uh...

I also think that Link's Awakening takes place somewhere right after PH, as like, a side quest or something (I haven't played it yet).

play it. You're very wrong with that placement.

I have to agree with Slagr.

Slagr: "or, the Gerudo descendants in TP continued the race into FSA.
which sounds more likely?"

I'd have to say whichever one isn't this theory. For the gene pool to be so strong to make what seem like pure strain Gerudo to reform a civilisation so so similar to their old one, I'd have to say the one where they're not seen, allowing them to have found a secret place to continue their culture (there were no desert islands in tWW) rather than all the variety of mixed breed Gerudo great great grandchildren somehow to purify the genes into one race again and then be able to form a tribe around it.

I agree that in TP we see half breed Gerudo. The rest were presumably wiped out in Ganondorf's 'outrageous' attempt at the sacred realm in the CT that led to his execution (Nintendo like wiping out races in wars- Sheikah for example). As such I think it's far more sensible to claim that in the AT where the Gerudo survive; Ganondorf, not needing an army to take him to the realm, Link having opened the door of time for him, means that the Gerudo definitely survived the seven years, and presumably all the way through the flood.

In PH we see the Cobble Race, pyramid dwellers with dark skin but we only see males. We also see Zauz who appears to be linked with both Cobble and Gerudo, being externally just like a male Gerudo (minus Ganon's green skin)but with the Cobbles' strange nose.
I think it makes sense to think that the Gerudo once frequented this desert kingdom, however in whatever war the Cobble were destroyed, the Gerudo ran/sailed away and remain on another Island, this final paragraph is ENTIRELY speculation and fanfic, but before it remains my point that Gerudo not seen hiding somewhere to become a civilisation again=far more likely than random genetic makeup of suspected Gerudo descendents somehow formed pure strain and the same culture again

RiverZora.
The argument that the gerudo went hidding on the AT, is just as likely, if not more on the CT. You think its was an easy task to survive the flooding? People had to flee to the mountain tops to survive. What Mountain tops did the Gerudo flee too? They lived in a desert.

Also, I don't see how the Gerudo were whiped out in Ganondrofs outrageous attempt on the Sacred Realm. The Gerudo wouldn't go down so easy and things would more likely result in war. Executing one man, and exterminating a race is a whole different thing. I think its safer to assume that the Gerudo's were most likely cut off from Hyrule, seeing that the Gerudo's Valley is no longer accessible. I don't belive them to be dead though.

Look the gerudo arguement can't place FSA, we don't know of their fate on either timeline! Unless you're going to say the Terminian Gerudo migrated to hyrule on the CT which i don't believe! Then you can also say they did that on the AT as well! Actually i just thought, the Terminian Gerudo are pirates, could this help prove someting on the AT?

Originally Posted by aaron-michael

Obviously TMC takes place after FS/FSA.

hahahahah i meant before!!! Sorry, i made this late last night. I really am sorry.

Originally Posted by Slagr

you obviously don't even respect the opposing argument so I won't bother debating this area with you.

Then why did you even post a reply? and what evidence do you have that TMC is first? Link with no hat?

Originally Posted by Slagr

and why does Vaati have to be Bellum's incarnation? Why not the other way around for the exact same reasons?

Because I think it makes more sense that TMC takes place in New Hyrule followed by FS/FSA. After PH, Link still doesn't find New Hyrule, and if TMC takes place before PH, then why would Vaati be reintroduced FS/FSA and not in OoT or the other games? If Bellum is an incarnation of Vaati, how come it takes three times to take Vaati down and only one for Bellum? If Vaati is taken down three times, you'd expect him to come back stronger.

Originally Posted by Slagr

but TP shows actual Gerudo descendants

who? Telma?XD

Originally Posted by Slagr

but WW does show well beyond OoT Hyrule, so all (or even most) of OoT's races should be present. With PH in the equation, if you don't see Gerudo in either area, they're gone.

You don't know that.

Originally Posted by Slagr

play it. You're very wrong with that placement.

Obviously hahaha.

Originally Posted by Slagr

take a look at tMC's BS again.

Take a look.

"A long, long time ago, when Hyrule was about to be consumed by darkness,

It's talking about Ganon obviously.

the tiny Picori descended from the sky, and bestowed upon a young boy dressed in green a sword and a shining golden light.

"a young boy dressed in green", it's talking about Link obviously.

With wisdom and courage, the young hero drove out the darkness.

It's talking about Zelda and Link defeating Ganon in OoT or TWW.

Now, every 100 years the Picori return to Hyrule, to provide humans with magical gifts."

I think the Picori were only introduced in TMC for a new story so people will but the product (after all, it is just a game) because TMC's story obviously rips of OoT or TWW like TP does and TWW does. Making TMC in the AT.

Originally Posted by aaron-michael

Then why did you even post a reply? and what evidence do you have that TMC is first? Link with no hat?

since you still can't resist being a moron about it, I'm still not discussing it with you.

Because I think it makes more sense that TMC takes place in New Hyrule followed by FS/FSA. After PH, Link still doesn't find New Hyrule, and if TMC takes place before PH, then why would Vaati be reintroduced FS/FSA and not in OoT or the other games?

he's sealed in the FS. It takes time to break that seal.

If Bellum is an incarnation of Vaati, how come it takes three times to take Vaati down and only one for Bellum? If Vaati is taken down three times, you'd expect him to come back stronger.

well, no I wouldn't expect that at all actually. It's been my experience with the Zelda series that incarnations are weaker than the original entity. This is all assuming they are in fact related which is not necessarily true.

who? Telma?XD

uh, yeah... why is it funny that I have evidence and you don't?

You don't know that.

Ok, say that WW+PH is half of the entire planet's area. Now consider that TP is about half the area of just WW's area. Now consider that Gerudo appear in the 1/4 of the world seen in TP but not in the 1/2 seen in WW/PH. The Gerudo are pretty effectively gone.

It's talking about Ganon obviously.

it's talking about whatever the Hero of Men fought. Regardless of where you place tMC, it's BS does not reference Link.

"a young boy dressed in green", it's talking about Link obviously.

it's talking about the hero of men. It's funny you isolate the "boy dressed in green" and ignore the Picori, sword, and shining golden light parts, which never happen to Link in any story.

It's talking about Zelda and Link defeating Ganon in OoT or TWW.

Obviously, because they used the Picori Sword, right?

I think the Picori were only introduced in TMC for a new story so people will but the product (after all, it is just a game) because TMC's story obviously rips of OoT or TWW like TP does and TWW does. Making TMC in the AT.

the only thing linking it to the AT is "a young boy dressed in green." You're making assumptions on the basis of darkness=Ganon reference, and anyone using courage or wisdom=Link or Zelda, which is fallacious.

Originally Posted by Slagr

since you still can't resist being a moron about it, I'm still not discussing it with you.

Why you being so mean? It's just a game, calm down... Look, I only made this thread because I had nothing better to do with my summer at midnight and the Zelda time line subject is obviously over my head and I'm sorry if I wasted anybody's life reading this stupid thread. Until Nintendo makes a time line that is official, none of us are right or wrong, keep that in mind next time you call someone a moron over this subject. Until then, every fan's input is important to making sense out of all of this... There is no excuse to call someone another name, especially over the internet when you don't even know the person. Maybe there is no time line and Nintendo only made the series for money, that may be the sad truth in the end.

Originally Posted by Slagr

he's sealed in the FS. It takes time to break that seal.

well, no I wouldn't expect that at all actually. It's been my experience with the Zelda series that incarnations are weaker than the original entity. This is all assuming they are in fact related which is not necessarily true.

ok, I agree with you on that...

Originally Posted by Slagr

uh, yeah... why is it funny that I have evidence and you don't?

It never says anywhere that she is a Gerudo thought except for fans claiming that she is based on what evidence??

Originally Posted by aaron-michael

Because I figure that on the way to finding New Hyrule, since he hasn't found it yet in PH, Link gets shipwrecked landing on Koholint Island. In my theory I say that New Hyrule, Koholint Island, Labrynna, and Holodrum are posibly big landmasses of the Great Sea. I think (since I haven't played it yet, and basing my info on wikipedia) after LA, he builds a new ship and continues his search for New Hyrule, he finds it after LA because maybe Koholint Island is near New Hyrule, since they are all big landmasses...

Link's Awakening is a direct sequel of A Link to the Past, so it goes on the child timeline. Besides, Koholint Island was a dream, and the nightmares of the dream were all of enemies that Link fought during A Link to the Past (Ganon, Agnahim, ect..).

Originally Posted by aaron-michael

Why you being so mean? It's just a game, calm down... Look, I only made this thread because I had nothing better to do with my summer at midnight and the Zelda time line subject is obviously over my head and I'm sorry if I wasted anybody's life reading this stupid thread. Until Nintendo makes a time line that is official, none of us are right or wrong, keep that in mind next time you call someone a moron over this subject. Until then, every fan's input is important to making sense out of all of this... There is no excuse to call someone another name, especially over the internet when you don't even know the person. Maybe there is no time line and Nintendo only made the series for money, that may be the sad truth in the end.

I'm just sick of the condescending attitude that people with no theorizing experience have about tMC-OoT. Examples:

Originally Posted by troylh44

TMC wasnt first!!!!!! in the sky palace if u look down, Hyrule is an island(suggesting it is yth new hyrule) and in TMC's library there is a referance to the "Triumph Forks"(WHICH IS A FLOOD CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!) END OF DISCUSSION.

Originally Posted by 13th

Lots of effort person, too bad oots first...

there's already a thread out there regarding geographical changes from tMC to OoT; check that out before asking me anything else.

It never says anywhere that she is a Gerudo thought except for fans claiming that she is based on what evidence??

most black people won't explicitly tell you they're black, but you can kind of tell, right?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Potent Col

Link's Awakening is a direct sequel of A Link to the Past, so it goes on the child timeline. Besides, Koholint Island was a dream, and the nightmares of the dream were all of enemies that Link fought during A Link to the Past (Ganon, Agnahim, ect..).

originally, yes, but now it just has to follow a game in which Ganon is defeated: AoL, LttP, or OoX being the most probable games.

I agree with you. TMC is first.

Originally Posted by Potent Col

Link's Awakening is a direct sequel of A Link to the Past, so it goes on the child timeline. Besides, Koholint Island was a dream, and the nightmares of the dream were all of enemies that Link fought during A Link to the Past (Ganon, Agnahim, ect..).

Like I said, I haven't played the game, so I'm sorry

It's ok I haven't played it either.

The rest were presumably wiped out in Ganondorf's 'outrageous' attempt at the sacred realm in the CT that led to his execution (Nintendo like wiping out races in wars- Sheikah for example).

Could possibly be true. I like the idea more that Gerudo migrated to other parts of the desert, perhaps exiled there or to avoid persecution. Most likely Gerudo are still in Hyrule, but Nintendo felt rushed to make TP & figured they weren't too important to the storyline.

I agree with you.

Originally Posted by Slagr

most black people won't explicitly tell you they're black, but you can kind of tell, right?

Ok, this is why Telma is not a Gerudo; Telma has pointed ears, she is fatter than the Gerudo (because they're known to be slender), she has light skin, smaller nose, and she has no other resemblance of a Gerudo other than her slightly red looking hair. The theory on Telma being Gerudo is basically the same theory as Malon being Gerudo, it has been proven false many times.