Hyrule Castle Exploded?

Originally Posted by TheBattler

I've seen your topics around here and, uh, the reason why people disagree with you alot is because you're wrong quite a few times.

Your theory that Volvagia caused the geography shifts in TP, while logical, was wrong.

Your Vaati-Sheikah connection isn't really wrong, but way too much of it was blatantly made up and fanfiction.

Your TP-OoT geography theory was pretty good, but people disagreed because you didn't quite accept that retcons are possible, and you overcomplicated it.

Your empty Hyrule topic was not that great because you slipped the Oracles in between LttP and LA.

Also, with awesome quotes like this:



It's no wonder why people don't approach you open mindedly.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

I've seen your topics around here and, uh, the reason why people disagree with you alot is because you're wrong quite a few times.

Your theory that Volvagia caused the geography shifts in TP, while logical, was wrong.

Your Vaati-Sheikah connection isn't really wrong, but way too much of it was blatantly made up and fanfiction.

Your TP-OoT geography theory was pretty good, but people disagreed because you didn't quite accept that retcons are possible, and you overcomplicated it.

Your empty Hyrule topic was not that great because you slipped the Oracles in between LttP and LA.

Also, with awesome quotes like this:



It's no wonder why people don't approach you open mindedly.

Actually, in reality, I'm not wrong or right; no one is. In theorizing, the only true answer is what the creators confirm, but we are left to only guess/theorize until individual things are confirmed. I recently just read a translation conirmed by one of the creators of Zelda (Aounme or something along those lines) that confirmed the evolution of Zora to Rito, which was previously a popular topic to theorize on; I personally always belived it, anyway.

As for the Vaati-Sheikah connection, I only couldn't help but notice the many similarites in their appearance (typically white hair, red eyes, pointed ears, purple colour tradition, shodows and dark magic, and one of Vaati's forms is completely identical to the Sheikah synbol with no tear), and I took this into account with the fact that there appeared to be no references to the Sheikah in The Minish Cap and its possible place as the earliest game in the timeline, making me believe that Vaati had founded that the Sheikah at some point; I don't think they would just create his character with many similarities to them and have him in a game early and no references to them existing yet for nothing.

As for Ocarina of Time - Twilight Princess geography, I do accept retcon on small levels, but I won't except things such as lakes and mountains jumping all the way across across Hyrule without any geography-related explanations. I accept that they retconed Zora's Domain as being WAY further north and somewhere behind and above the Death Mountain and Kakariko Village being pulled further away from the Castle Town, as this "retcon" really supports Hyrule's geography in the Minish Cap; they made Kakariko like a great big hole and Death Mountain Trail as if it was once a waterfall and Kakariko was one Lake Hylia (explaining why it looks like a huge hole with houses in with the new 'retcon'). Personally, if they remake Ocarina of Time, I have no doubts that its geography will be changed to match The Minish Cap and Twilight Princess maps. http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/95275-tmc-oot-tp-for-dummies-a-reference-for-the-rest-of-us-2.html

I personally just shove the Ocaracles right at the end of the adult timeline now, because their position is very awakward. It is safe to assume that they belong at the end, and even Miyamoto tends to put them at the end. Or, just let Lord Jabu Jabu deal with them, like he did with Ruto on the child timeline. >_>

My qoute was awesome? Meh, I think so.
I merely did that because I was annoyed with how everyone has to disagree with, say, even facts. I mean, there are still people who doubt Zora-Rito, and that ANNOYS ME.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

Actually, in reality, I'm not wrong or right; no one is. In theorizing, the only true answer is what the creators confirm, but we are left to only guess/theorize until individual things are confirmed. I recently just read a translation conirmed by one of the creators of Zelda (Aounme or something along those lines) that confirmed the evolution of Zora to Rito, which was previously a popular topic to theorize on; I personally always belived it, anyway.

As for the Vaati-Sheikah connection, I only couldn't help but notice the many similarites in their appearance (typically white hair, red eyes, pointed ears, purple colour tradition, shodows and dark magic, and one of Vaati's forms is completely identical to the Sheikah synbol with no tear), and I took this into account with the fact that there appeared to be no references to the Sheikah in The Minish Cap and its possible place as the earliest game in the timeline, making me believe that Vaati had founded that the Sheikah at some point; I don't think they would just create his character with many similarities to them and have him in a game early and no references to them existing yet for nothing.

As for Ocarina of Time - Twilight Princess geography, I do accept retcon on small levels, but I won't except things such as lakes and mountains jumping all the way across across Hyrule without any geography-related explanations. I accept that they retconed Zora's Domain as being WAY further north and somewhere behind and above the Death Mountain and Kakariko Village being pulled further away from the Castle Town, as this "retcon" really supports Hyrule's geography in the Minish Cap; they made Kakariko like a great big hole and Death Mountain Trail as if it was once a waterfall and Kakariko was one Lake Hylia (explaining why it looks like a huge hole with houses in with the new 'retcon'). Personally, if they remake Ocarina of Time, I have no doubts that its geography will be changed to match The Minish Cap and Twilight Princess maps. http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/95275-tmc-oot-tp-for-dummies-a-reference-for-the-rest-of-us-2.html

I personally just shove the Ocaracles right at the end of the adult timeline now, because their position is very awakward. It is safe to assume that they belong at the end, and even Miyamoto tends to put them at the end. Or, just let Lord Jabu Jabu deal with them, like he did with Ruto on the child timeline. >_>

My qoute was awesome? Meh, I think so.
I merely did that because I was annoyed with how everyone has to disagree with, say, even facts. I mean, there are still people who doubt Zora-Rito, and that ANNOYS ME.

Well, some things can be proven wrong or right because of ingame evidence or COMMON SENSE. And how is the position of Oracles akward? I could easily place it between Phantom Hourglass and Minish Cap on my timeline. And...people tend to not be openminded when you call them idiots. I should know.

Originally Posted by langford

When prompted, Midna and the other people simply selected "Continue" from the "Game Over" screen.

Lawl

Originally Posted by langford

Seriously, everyone survived for the same reason that Ganondorf's deaths are always portrayed as fading away or turning to dust or stone, because the game was made kid-friendly from the beginning. You should never expect a random massacre or excessive gore to be shown in a Zelda game.

Very true. It's been this way in every Zelda. Although TP was rated T, let's not forget!

Originally Posted by langford

A person can make excuses like, "they rebuilt the castle", but in the end the truth will still be that the castle is in the credits because it was pretty and the developers worked hard to make it.

Exactly

In all reality, I haven't played TP in awhile, and I forget the ending sequences. I don't remember endings as much because they are pointless in Zelda. They are literally the end. You can't save and continue to screw around; you are FINISHED.
But if what you say about the town being destroyed is true, then I shall have to pay special attention when I complete my next play-through after finishing WW 100%...again.

Originally Posted by The Janitor

Well, some things can be proven wrong or right because of ingame evidence or COMMON SENSE.

The Janitor's right. Theories can be disproved through evidence and others are seen as more accurate or reliable than others because they have real evidence to back them up. If you believe that all the theories here can't be right or wrong unless people in Nintendo announce them correct or false, then why do you get annoyed that people don't believe your theories if you believe that you can't be right?

Speculating something is one thing, it's interesting and fun, but it's best to base your theories around evidence or at least search for evidence that can help strengthen your theory before you present them. Like in this theory, you have an idea about Hyrule Castle, since it 'exploded' and has been fixed by the time of credits, but then your explanation lacks evidence [the Light Spirits bringing people back to life?]. Perhaps you could have began your topic asking for people's opinions [since most people have done that anyway] and then presented your idea as a possible answer to the problem, instead of saying that anyone who didn't believe your theory was an idiot, that was a bit much. That way, if your theory really does have substance to it, at least some people should agree with you and those who don't should feel be able to give their opinion without feeling like they're being confrontational with you, as the point of the topic would be to simply give their opinions.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Perhaps you could have began your topic asking for people's opinions [since most people have done that anyway] and then presented your idea as a possible answer to the problem, instead of saying that anyone who didn't believe your theory was an idiot, that was a bit much. That way, if your theory really does have substance to it, at least some people should agree with you and those who don't should feel be able to give their opinion without feeling like they're being confrontational with you, as the point of the topic would be to simply give their opinions.

I said the Light Spirits bring people back to life because they seemingly brought Midna back from the dead, so that would be a nod to why everyone else is now fine, too.

And I have a short temper, mood swings, and normally wake up on the roof, so people should expect a foul mood is they try to force me into thinking I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

I said the Light Spirits bring people back to life because they seemingly brought Midna back from the dead, so that would be a nod to why everyone else is now fine, too.

And I have a short temper, mood swings, and normally wake up on the roof, so people should expect a foul mood is they try to force me into thinking I'm wrong.

Well we don't know if Midna actually died, she could have just been hurt. The same goes for the people in the town, perhaps they fled [no evidence to back that up, obviously]. And a short temper is no excuse. Face-to-face, you might not be able to help snapping at someone but on a forum, you have a choice not to post something rude or harsh and if you feel like you're going to do so, you should take a break, go to a different website and come back when you're feeling calmer. If you reply calmly and politely, people are going to read your post properly and even if you have conflicting views, you should still be able to communicate in a civil manner. However if you're rude or harsh, they're just going to get mad.

It doesn't matter if people don't believe your theory, you've come up with many creative and interesting possibilities. More people are judging you on your reaction to the people who are telling you that you're wrong; don't get annoyed by it all.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Well we don't know if Midna actually died, she could have just been hurt. The same goes for the people in the town, perhaps they fled [no evidence to back that up, obviously]. And a short temper is no excuse. Face-to-face, you might not be able to help snapping at someone but on a forum, you have a choice not to post something rude or harsh and if you feel like you're going to do so, you should take a break, go to a different website and come back when you're feeling calmer. If you reply calmly and politely, people are going to read your post properly and even if you have conflicting views, you should still be able to communicate in a civil manner. However if you're rude or harsh, they're just going to get mad.

It doesn't matter if people don't believe your theory, you've come up with many creative and interesting possibilities. More people are judging you on your reaction to the people who are telling you that you're wrong; don't get annoyed by it all.

I would highly assume that she had died. I mean, knowing Ganondorf, I doubt that he would just hurt her. He murders those who go against him, Nabooru said so herself. In order to get her Fused Shadow piece, I am assuming that he had to at least lay a finger on her. But remember; the Light Spirits heal things, so they would have healed or brought back all those hurt or on the verge of death. As for Midna, considering her presumed death, the godesses would want them to bring her back for her deads in helping Link through his adventure, not to mention that the Twili need her as their ruler. Zelda herself said that it was the godesses' design for those events to happen.

I snap at people a lot face-to-face, then I retcon their drinks so that they forget.

The problem is, I hear too many people say things like, "lyke dude, dat id ss impassoble?!!?!11!1 GAMEOVER." I hate people who blantly give me to "IMPOSSIBLE" treatment. If that is all they have to say and have nothing constructive, they shouldn't expect me to be nice when talking to them.

Again, I very much doubt she died, reckon he tried but, as I've said, Midna still had Zelda's light/life/Wisdom force in her so wasn't killed- just extremely injured- which is naturally healed upon the death of Ganon as she reverts to her real form.

Lol...I'll never forget the first time I saw the Castle explode! I was like "MIDNAAA!" And then a second later I was like: "Oh my GOD! Rusl, Shad, Ashei and Auru were in there! Noooo!" xD Seriously that was the biggest fake out ever saying how they were all nice and safe during the credits.

Either way the castle should've been done for, the floors were already falling apart, in Zelda's flashback they show the castle on fire...on FIRE! And the entire place has a scattered army of freaky dead soldier ghosts. (sad and scary.)

I don't know what it is about Hyrule castles, OoT did it too, but they have sooo many "plotholes" I mean...when the castle fell in OoT, I know it fell like a pancake but then the rubble at the final battle was like a few blocks and some dirt. xD

I think the Light Spirits just fixed everything up. Ashei, Rusl, Shad and Auru definitely should've died, they went right into the castle and never came out.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

I would highly assume that she had died. I mean, knowing Ganondorf, I doubt that he would just hurt her. He murders those who go against him, Nabooru said so herself. In order to get her Fused Shadow piece, I am assuming that he had to at least lay a finger on her. But remember; the Light Spirits heal things, so they would have healed or brought back all those hurt or on the verge of death. As for Midna, considering her presumed death, the godesses would want them to bring her back for her deads in helping Link through his adventure, not to mention that the Twili need her as their ruler. Zelda herself said that it was the godesses' design for those events to happen.

I snap at people a lot face-to-face, then I retcon their drinks so that they forget.

The problem is, I hear too many people say things like, "lyke dude, dat id ss impassoble?!!?!11!1 GAMEOVER." I hate people who blantly give me to "IMPOSSIBLE" treatment. If that is all they have to say and have nothing constructive, they shouldn't expect me to be nice when talking to them.

Hm... She could have warped or after defeating her and taking/destroying the fused shadows, he wanted to make sure Link and Zelda didn't get away. Possible? Actually, after the battle, Link notices her in Hyrule Field, right? Maybe after being attacked by Ganondorf, she warped to the field, just as Link and Zelda did. But it does show the Light Spirits around that time, doesn't it? So maybe it was showing they had played a part beyond the Light Arrows. =/

And you're right about the people who say nothing constructive but you do not have to call them names. If they're not offering any constructive feedback, tell them to prove you wrong with evidence if they say you're wrong or at least offer a more likely theory. And if they just keep telling you that your theory is impossible, ignore them, you already gave them a chance to explain.

I mean, you do see how you can improve, right? Lots of people were annoyed at you after reading your first post because you said they were idiots if they didn't believe your theory. I'm not saying you should become submissive or subdued by people, just don't get so annoyed by those who offer no kind help.