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I don't think that anyone has ever looked at the child timelien of the Zeldas series, which which Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess follow, and asked themselves, "Hey, what ever did happen to the adult timeline bosses on the child timeline?"

Let's discuss of theories and opinions on their fate, as I find it rather interesting as to what actually happened to them by Twilight Princess. In the below, I will give my theories as to their fates.

Now, let's start from the first adult boss to the last adult boss:

Phantom Ganon - Never created, as Ganon never took over for 7 years, Forest Temple dissapears

Volagia - Escaped Death Mountain and caused it to errupt, destroying the Fire Temple, Hyrule Castle, Market, and causing Kakariko Village to be abandoned, hidden, and become the Hidden Village. The Gorons, due to the destruction, helped the Hylians find a new Death Moutain in the south-east of the place now known as Eldin, build New Kakariko as its foot, and the Goron Elders retain knowledge of the place now known as Hidden Village. Hyrule Castle and its town are rebuilt south where Lon Lon Ranch once stood. Multiple georges are left thought Hyrule in the erruption shock.

Morpha - Continues to live in the Water Temple, eventually corrupted by the Fused Shadow when its comes in contact with it, becoming Morhpeel and possibly destroying the Water Temple, follwed by Lakebed Temple being built by the Zora to keep it locked away inside.

Bongo Bongo - As Kakariko falls into dispair and partly buried and hidden, both the Bottom of the Well and the Shadow Temple (along with the graveyard) are blocked off, leaving Bongo Bongo to forever live benath Kakariko, sealed away in darkness.

Old Farts/Twinrova - Hylian nights invade the Spirit Tempe, destroying it, as the war rages between Gerudo (or just Ganon) and Hylian nights, Twinrova killed or executed in the newly-built Abiter's Grounds (replacing Gerudo Fortress).

Ganondorf - Failed execution by the sages, scares the holy medalions out out of them, sent to the Twilight Realm, attempts to get a tan while bring Zant over to his side.

As an extra, when Market is destroyed, so is the Temple of Time, and it is then rebuilt by the sages with the help of Oocca deep within the Sacred Grove, in the Faron Province that has now been founded. Gets a fancy backroom and lovely redesign, while still retaining its holy front room radio music, and also getting elavator music for the backroom.


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And I also want to you all to sign a pention to get the sages to add an elevator to the Temple of Time's backroom... because I am sick of taking the satirs every time that I attempt to search for the light medalion (it does have the synbol everywhere...).

And ultimately, the way I see it, none of the original "temples" from Ocarina of Time actually survived to make it into the Twilight Princess era, but were replaced by new ones. The only notable thing from that game to still be around is pretty much the original Kakariko Village, Lake Hylia, Water Temple enterence (Lanaryru's Cave), Zora's Domain (which is now moved over to Zora's Fountain where big daddy was), and the Death Mountain remains can be seen, well, collapsed all over where the Castle and Market were (or, considering the rock colour near Hidden Village, that could be actually castle and town remains).

Ordona, Faron, Snowpeak, and the right half of Eldin are all new land in Twilight Princess, whereas they were unseen in Ocarina of Time; Lanayru was the majority of Hyrule that you see in Ocarina of Time, along with left half of Eldin, and the Desert.
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:02 PM
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Re: Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

They only existed due to the corruption of Ganondorf. No Ganondorf = No evil. So they went on with their lives until they died. Or whatever happens in Hyrule.
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:08 PM
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They only existed due to the corruption of Ganondorf. No Ganondorf = No evil. So they went on with their lives until they died. Or whatever happens in Hyrule.
No, most of them had existed for much longer; Bongo Bongo, for example, he was sealed benath the well a long time ago, the old farts were older then Ganondorf and using the Spirit Temple as a base before he took over, and most of the bosses were merely hidden/sealed, but there is lots of reason to believe that he released some of them again, or they did themselves.

I mean, the Death Mountain that Voglia lived in is completely wrecked, and so is the surrounding area, meaning that something must have happened around the Mountain before the Gorons relocated.
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:31 PM
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i'm pretty sure bongo bongo would've just stayed in the shadow temple.
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:49 PM
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Re: Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

In OoT Impa has to strengthen the seal on the well, which implies that it can grow old and fade. Or it could just be because Ganondorf weakened it, so the seal may still be forever.

I once thought that Volvagia was the dragon slain by the "hero" in TP, but I then realized that Volvagia was dead in the child timeline to begin with. Assuming that Link continued questing after MM, it's possible for Volvagia to be revived by some unnamed villain (or Ganondorf)

I think something happened to Twinrova between OoT CE and TP. If they were alive and kicking surely they would be aiding Ganondorf in TP? But i also don't see them dying of old age, not insaley powered hags who have an influence over Ganondorf....so this furthers my opinion of a quest by OoT/MM Link that hasn't been told yet, in which he either slays or seals Twinrova for at least a while. (I believe they get sealed, as they have to stay alive for OoX to happen.)

I agree with your Morpha theory, similar name, occupation, heck, your strategy to fight the beast is the same is in OoT for the first part, (as far i can remember, i think there was even a nucleus in the tentacles, either way it's all too similar.) There was never a reason for it to be disturbed before in the CT, so it could have evolved naturally, then got ahold of the FS and then evolved rapidly into that monster. (Looking at Darbus, the FSs really do make them grow large and stronger.)

As for Ganondorf....that's somewhat obvious. Either he got arrested on the day Link came back from his Adult Life to warn Zelda, or he committed an evil deed later on and without the ToP, he was eventually overpowered and arrested. This leads into TP.
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i'm pretty sure bongo bongo would've just stayed in the shadow temple.
But he was never released in the child timeline, so he would have remained in and been buried benath the Bottom of the Well for the rest of time, in the darkness.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:09 PM
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Re: Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

As I recall, Volvagia was dead until Ganondorf resurrected him.
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Re: Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

Ganondorf revived Volvagia, so he wouldn't be able to do anything on the child timeline because Ganon wouldn't have that power.
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Ganondorf revived Volvagia, so he wouldn't be able to do anything on the child timeline because Ganon wouldn't have that power.
Ganon's execution took a few years after the child timeline ending of Ocarina of Time, so there is the complete possibility that he revived Volvagia in this time, too, considering one of the Zelda creators (for got his name, but he is the man that pieces the official parts of the timeline together, and makes sure that each games makes an obvious reference to its placment) said that Ganondof "did something outragous" before his execution, which could have very well been riviving Volvagia and usin it to destroy the castle, town, and devastate Death Mountain and Kakariko (the Ocarina of Time ones), as well as kill many people in doing so.
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Re: Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

Aonuma said that. And the "outrageous" thing is not reviving Volvagia.
Ganondorf wanted to break into the Temple of Time in OoT. The Temple of Time is in ruins in TP. Do the math.

TP says Ganondorf invaded Hyrule. Not that he sent his pet dragon to invade.
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But he was never released in the child timeline, so he would have remained in and been buried benath the Bottom of the Well for the rest of time, in the darkness.
oh yeah. my bad.
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TP says Ganondorf invaded Hyrule. Not that he sent his pet dragon to invade.
it could still mean that he had some help. what kind of fool would invade a whole town complete with scary knights alone? even ganny might want some backup.
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Re: Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

Phantom Ganon was probably never created, Volvagia was likely never resurrected, and Morpha probably didn't exist (Morpheel appears to be the Fused Shadow piece itself taking on a form, similar to Diababa). Since Bongo Bongo apparently broke out of the well through his own power he presumably escaped at some point and was probably killed by OoT Link on that timeline. The Twinrova sisters would probably last until OoX.
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Aonuma said that. And the "outrageous" thing is not reviving Volvagia.
Ganondorf wanted to break into the Temple of Time in OoT. The Temple of Time is in ruins in TP. Do the math.

TP says Ganondorf invaded Hyrule. Not that he sent his pet dragon to invade.
Good point about the Temple of Time. Considering that, I reckon that he was responsible for destroying the Hyrule Castle and the Market, as the Temple of Time was located there. The problem is, I never did consider the Temple of Time as the same one from Ocarina of Time... it just looks so damn different: Door of Time as the enterence, windows in the main room, the colour appearance of the whole Temple and design is more gold and brown than plain gray, the entire place is bigger, there is a staircase at the enterence, the whole place looks generally different, ect.. Oh, and its location being in Faron, a completely new land as from the previous game.

But it does make sense, as he was executed by the sages themselves, who had [b]strong[u] connection to the Temple.

I still think that, looking at the way the are is around Hidden Village, all ravaged and messy, that something pretty big happened that caused the relocation to further down south. I mean, that whole area is ravaged. I'm guessing that Ganondorf really got his way.

Still, why would the Temple of Time now be located in the Sacred Grove, which looks a lot damn like the Sacred Forest Meadow area, I might add...

I personally think that the creators should have the ruins somewhere near the Hidden Village, as that would show more people the likely explaination that the caslte and town moved south. It would also seem less confusing. At least, have the Sacred Grove located around where the Market would be on the Twilight Princess map (to the left and upper of Hidden Village). You know, forests growing around the ruins. >_>
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it could still mean that he had some help. what kind of fool would invade a whole town complete with scary knights alone? even ganny might want some backup.
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ah, i see. my mistake.
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Phantom Ganon - Never created, as Ganon never took over for 7 years, Forest Temple dissapears
Why does the forest temple dissapear? It's there when you go to the Forest Meadow as a child. The forest temple is still there.

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Volagia - Escaped Death Mountain and caused it to errupt, destroying the Fire Temple, Hyrule Castle, Market, and causing Kakariko Village to be abandoned, hidden, and become the Hidden Village. The Gorons, due to the destruction, helped the Hylians find a new Death Moutain in the south-east of the place now known as Eldin, build New Kakariko as its foot, and the Goron Elders retain knowledge of the place now known as Hidden Village. Hyrule Castle and its town are rebuilt south where Lon Lon Ranch once stood. Multiple georges are left thought Hyrule in the erruption shock.
That's a really bad fan-fic. Volvagia is revived by Ganondorf and was supposed to be dead.


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Bongo Bongo - As Kakariko falls into dispair and partly buried and hidden, both the Bottom of the Well and the Shadow Temple (along with the graveyard) are blocked off, leaving Bongo Bongo to forever live benath Kakariko, sealed away in darkness.
Why does kakariko fall in despair if even you say Bongo bongo remains sealed....

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Old Farts/Twinrova - Hylian nights invade the Spirit Tempe, destroying it, as the war rages between Gerudo (or just Ganon) and Hylian nights, Twinrova killed or executed in the newly-built Abiter's Grounds (replacing Gerudo Fortress).
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Why does kakariko fall in despair if even you say Bongo bongo remains sealed....
he was saying if volgaria caused death moutain to erupt, then it would make kakariko village fall into despair, and the lava im guessing would like idk, cover up the well.
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he was saying if volgaria caused death moutain to erupt, then it would make kakariko village fall into despair, and the lava im guessing would like idk, cover up the well.
But volvagia is dead...
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But volvagia is dead...
im just stating what he ment=pp
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