Fate of the Adult Timeline Bosses

He's the one you call Dr. Feelgood!!!

dude stfu seriously.
i didnt even know there was a song called that until after i had the name plastered all over all of my accounts online.

Originally Posted by The Sheikah

Why does the forest temple dissapear? It's there when you go to the Forest Meadow as a child. The forest temple is still there.



That's a really bad fan-fic. Volvagia is revived by Ganondorf and was supposed to be dead.



Why does kakariko fall in despair if even you say Bongo bongo remains sealed....


Fan-fic

I guess I can go with calling you an OCZRS (obsessive compulsive Zelda retcon syndrom). Yeah, that is perfect for you. Retcon this, retcon that, what a strange excuse for the geography changes.

Might as well say that our world retcons itself, too. Oh, I'm sorry, but who are you again? I seemed to have been retconed!

Now I forgot what you just said; looks like I have been retconed again.

And I base what I say on the actual geography changes and in-game qoutes. In this case, there was reference to a war after Ocarina of Time, the Spirit Temple has clearly been destroyed, the Abiter's Grounds is standing where Gerudo Fortress was - so, it is likely that Twinrova was killed, as that is an execution ground not far from where the Spirit Temple was. What will they have used that for? Killing people who posed threat to the royal family, such as... Twinrova! For freaking love of Din.

Excuse me while I go retcon myself.

My timeline requires Twinrova not to be dead. I assume they just hide- they're small, they could do it.

I'm curious as to what happened to the would-be sages of the Adult Timeline (Saria, Ruto...) and if they took a significant role in the Child Timeline.
Also, this may be irrelevant to this topic or discussed too many times, but can someone clear this up for me?

How many sages were present at Ganondorf's execution? What is the outcome of one of them being destroyed? Also, would the sages of the Child Timeline have any successors?

Originally Posted by IGNIS

I'm curious as to what happened to the would-be sages of the Adult Timeline (Saria, Ruto...) and if they took a significant role in the Child Timeline.
Also, this may be irrelevant to this topic or discussed too many times, but can someone clear this up for me?

I'll try to tackle this, but it's VERY ambiguous as to what happened, especially since we have no idea if Link went questing on the child timeline. I'm sort of on the morbid opinion that the Hero of Time didn't do **** after he came back from the future, which is completely against his character, but I sort of see some evidence for this in TP.

Saria = She left with the Kokiri wherever they went. We don't know where they are.

Darunia = Probably died of natural causes or something. Depending on what Link did on the child timeline, he may or may not have had his son named, Link. We have no idea if there was indeed a Goron patriarch named Link.

Ruto = Probably died of natural causes. Again, depending on what Link did on the child timeline, she might have actually been swallowed by Jabu-Jabu. >_> But if she didn't, she probably married a Zora male.

Impa = Finally found a man at the age of 40 and had descendants.

Nabooru = Executed? >_> I hope not.

How many sages were present at Ganondorf's execution?

6.

What is the outcome of one of them being destroyed?

There are 5 now?

Also, would the sages of the Child Timeline have any successors?

No, but it seems as if though that once you become a Sage, you become ethereal and immortal. It seems as if once a Sage is killed, however, they stay dead. The only reason why they had successors in OoT is because new Sages were destined to be awakened by prophecy. It's almost as if Hyrule forgot about the Sages by TP.

The Sages appear at the Arbiter's Ground in TP and remember the exact events of the Ganon's execution, which occurred "decades" ago.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

I guess I can go with calling you an OCZRS (obsessive compulsive Zelda retcon syndrom). Yeah, that is perfect for you. Retcon this, retcon that, what a strange excuse for the geography changes.

Might as well say that our world retcons itself, too. Oh, I'm sorry, but who are you again? I seemed to have been retconed!

Now I forgot what you just said; looks like I have been retconed again.

And I base what I say on the actual geography changes and in-game qoutes. In this case, there was reference to a war after Ocarina of Time, the Spirit Temple has clearly been destroyed, the Abiter's Grounds is standing where Gerudo Fortress was - so, it is likely that Twinrova was killed, as that is an execution ground not far from where the Spirit Temple was. What will they have used that for? Killing people who posed threat to the royal family, such as... Twinrova! For freaking love of Din.

Excuse me while I go retcon myself.

I just base myself on solid facts buddy. You are free to write as many horrible fan-fics as you like.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

I'll try to tackle this, but it's VERY ambiguous as to what happened, especially since we have no idea if Link went questing on the child timeline. I'm sort of on the morbid opinion that the Hero of Time didn't do **** after he came back from the future, which is completely against his character, but I sort of see some evidence for this in TP.

Saria = She left with the Kokiri wherever they went. We don't know where they are.

Darunia = Probably died of natural causes or something. Depending on what Link did on the child timeline, he may or may not have had his son named, Link. We have no idea if there was indeed a Goron patriarch named Link.

Ruto = Probably died of natural causes. Again, depending on what Link did on the child timeline, she might have actually been swallowed by Jabu-Jabu. >_> But if she didn't, she probably married a Zora male.

Impa = Finally found a man at the age of 40 and had descendants.

Nabooru = Executed? >_> I hope not.



6.



There are 5 now?



No, but it seems as if though that once you become a Sage, you become ethereal and immortal. It seems as if once a Sage is killed, however, they stay dead. The only reason why they had successors in OoT is because new Sages were destined to be awakened by prophecy. It's almost as if Hyrule forgot about the Sages by TP.

The Sages appear at the Arbiter's Ground in TP and remember the exact events of the Ganon's execution, which occurred "decades" ago.

The sages seen in Twilight Princess, the original (I'm guessing) sages, were probably killed on the adult timeline, explaining why need needed successors in the adult timeline when Link awoke after 7 years. Those destined to become the next sages could be choosen at random, or it may he heritage, meaning that, should new sages be needed after Twilight Princess: Unknown, Forest Sage; Darbus, Fire Sage; Ralis, Water Sage; Impaz, Shadow Sages; Telma, Spirit Sage.

So, in the child timeline, those that I can see being the next sages if it was ever needed are: Unknown, Darbus, Ralis, Impaz, and Telma. I base on on their possible heritage to the would-be sages on the adult timeline that were never awoken.

I reckon that the monkeys in Faron Woods are actually new forms of the Kokiri because they inhabit a big dead tree, one of them bears the Kokiri synbol, and so does the tree. Kokiri adapt to their new enviroment, as explained in The Wind Waker, so I don't know why no one belives me about the Faron Wood moneys. One of them bears a Kokiri synbol on them, for goodness sake.

As for the others, Darbus could be related to Darunia, Ralis related to Ruto (unless, like you said, Jabu Jabu had lunch >_>), Impaz related to Impa, and Telma related to Nabooru. Telma herself has the skin and hair colour of a Gerudo, and the design on her dress looks like the Spirit Medalion, as well as her flirting personality being somewhat similar to Nabuuro's.

Ganondorf had somethign to do with all of these, no Ganondorf = no bosses.
The ones that existed before Ganondorf were all sealed up somehow.

Originally Posted by Link the Mini

Ganondorf had somethign to do with all of these, no Ganondorf = no bosses.
The ones that existed before Ganondorf were all sealed up somehow.

Not completely true. The bosses wouldn't have caused as much trouble, seeing how Ganondorf stirred them up. Let me try to explain.

Phantom Ganon and Volvagia wouldn't be there. Phantom Ganon was created by Ganondorf to keep Link from awakening Saria as Forest Sage. Volvagia is revived by ganondorf, as it was supposedly dead.
So, No Ganondorf=No Phantom Ganon or Volvagia.

Mopha, Bongo Bongo, and Twinrova already existed before Ganondorf, so they would still be alive after Ganondorf's execution in the Child Timeline.
We don't know as much about Morpha, but Morpha was sealed in the Water Temple long before Ganondorf. Bongo Bongo was sealed in the Well by Impa before Ganondorf came to power. I believe Ganondorf helped to free Bongo Bong. So without Ganondorf, Bongo Bongo would still be trapped in the well. Twinrova lived a long time before Ganondorf. They tell us that they had lived for 900+ years (cant remember exactly, been some time since i did playthrough). They also used the Spirit Temple as their base. Twinrova might have been executed in Arbitor's Grounds. We don't know though.

So some bosses would still be there before ganondorf.

wow great time line theory yes it's a good way of explaining what happened!

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

The sages seen in Twilight Princess, the original (I'm guessing) sages, were probably killed on the adult timeline, explaining why need needed successors in the adult timeline when Link awoke after 7 years. Those destined to become the next sages could be choosen at random, or it may he heritage, meaning that, should new sages be needed after Twilight Princess: Unknown, Forest Sage; Darbus, Fire Sage; Ralis, Water Sage; Impaz, Shadow Sages; Telma, Spirit Sage.

That can't hold true, as Rauru was much alive before Link pulled the sword.

So, in the child timeline, those that I can see being the next sages if it was ever needed are: Unknown, Darbus, Ralis, Impaz, and Telma. I base on on their possible heritage to the would-be sages on the adult timeline that were never awoken.

I highly doubt that there are reserve sages.

I reckon that the monkeys in Faron Woods are actually new forms of the Kokiri because they inhabit a big dead tree, one of them bears the Kokiri synbol, and so does the tree. Kokiri adapt to their new enviroment, as explained in The Wind Waker, so I don't know why no one belives me about the Faron Wood moneys. One of them bears a Kokiri synbol on them, for goodness sake.

Not unlikely, but highly doubtable. The Kokiri require a spiritual guardian to stay alive(as shown by the Deku Tree in OoT and WW). Probably.

As for the others, Darbus could be related to Darunia, Ralis related to Ruto (unless, like you said, Jabu Jabu had lunch >_>), Impaz related to Impa, and Telma related to Nabooru. Telma herself has the skin and hair colour of a Gerudo, and the design on her dress looks like the Spirit Medalion, as well as her flirting personality being somewhat similar to Nabuuro's.

Yet the sages were never awakened.

I see it that the ethereal sages of TP were killed all but Rauru in AT which is why new ones were awakened.
I don't, however, think being a sage automatically grants you immortality, although I'm not sure of this, I can't think of an example of a sage dying of old age, so perhaps this is true...
I definitely don't think being a sage means you can't live a normal life and procreate though- there's all talk of descendents and bloodlines, so after doing sagely duties there is every chance of a sage living a normal life, having a few kids, buying a house in the quiet part of Kakariko or what have you.

Also perhaps new sages are only awoken if they're actually needed- when Rauru (who I think is one of the ethereal sages of TP, just different art/medium) needed to seal Ganon in adult timeline sages are awoken, and yet in TP when one of them is killed in the back story (water, i believe) he is still dead come the game itself- unless maybe they need a hero to awaken them and TP Link will have to do this for them now he's prevented the Twilight.

Originally Posted by River Zora

I see it that the ethereal sages of TP were killed all but Rauru in AT which is why new ones were awakened.
I don't, however, think being a sage automatically grants you immortality, although I'm not sure of this, I can't think of an example of a sage dying of old age, so perhaps this is true...
I definitely don't think being a sage means you can't live a normal life and procreate though- there's all talk of descendents and bloodlines, so after doing sagely duties there is every chance of a sage living a normal life, having a few kids, buying a house in the quiet part of Kakariko or what have you.

Also perhaps new sages are only awoken if they're actually needed- when Rauru (who I think is one of the ethereal sages of TP, just different art/medium) needed to seal Ganon in adult timeline sages are awoken, and yet in TP when one of them is killed in the back story (water, i believe) he is still dead come the game itself- unless maybe they need a hero to awaken them and TP Link will have to do this for them now he's prevented the Twilight.

About Twinrova from what you said before - I don't think the Oracles can take place on the child timeline because Holdrum and Labrynna are supposed to be attached to Hyrule (the Adventure of Link map shows that, though note that is is accept that this game is the very last game in the adult timeline for now, though I reckon Spirit Trakcs is going to be set near it, based on the VERY SIMILAR map) before the flood (and after, whenever more land is brought together), but Hyrule was never flooded in the adult timeline.

Twinrova could have just reincarnated, knowing them. As for Rauru, don't think that he can be an etheral sage be he seems to have either been reincarnated or have a decendent in Twilight Princess: Auru; looks the same (except thiner and taller), talks to same,had knowledge on the Abiter's Grounds, helps Link, and his name is 'Rauru' without the "R".

Also, Rauru's body was destroyed, apparantly, so he can only exist in the Light Temple, or possibly as an annoying owl outside of the Light Temple.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

About Twinrova from what you said before - I don't think the Oracles can take place on the child timeline because Holdrum and Labrynna are supposed to be attached to Hyrule (the Adventure of Link map shows that, though note that is is accept that this game is the very last game in the adult timeline for now, though I reckon Spirit Trakcs is going to be set near it, based on the VERY SIMILAR map) before the flood (and after, whenever more land is brought together), but Hyrule was never flooded in the adult timeline..

I agree with you that AoL is the last game in the Adult Timeline, but the sentence after it confuses me- I think you've said adult where you should have said child a couple of times... Like Adult is the timeline where it is flooded, for example, you've said it's not.
I think Holodrum and Labrynna are attached as part of the supercontinent, the Adventure of Link map is exactly the same as whatever the extended Kingdom of OoT/TP looks like minus all the islands and water and a bit newer looking, so Lab. and Hol. can easily exist as neighbours in either timeline.

I know Twinrova could be reincarnated, but if they were they wouldn't know anything about Ganon- tWW Link is a reincarnation of OoT Link (OoT Link having returned to his own time with no blood descendents) and he has no clue of his spiritual heritage. Same with FSA Ganon who knows nothing of teh Triforce or seemingly anything of his previous self. So I don't think OoX Twinrova can be a reincarnation.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

Also, Rauru's body was destroyed, apparantly, so he can only exist in the Light Temple, or possibly as an annoying owl outside of the Light Temple.

Well maybe you've just strengthened my point!- We only see Rauru's fat, Hylian form in the sacred realm- maybe all the ancient sages, when in physical Hyrule itself, can only appear as ethereal ghosty creatures.

Originally Posted by River Zora

I agree with you that AoL is the last game in the Adult Timeline, but the sentence after it confuses me- I think you've said adult where you should have said child a couple of times... Like Adult is the timeline where it is flooded, for example, you've said it's not.
I think Holodrum and Labrynna are attached as part of the supercontinent, the Adventure of Link map is exactly the same as whatever the extended Kingdom of OoT/TP looks like minus all the islands and water and a bit newer looking, so Lab. and Hol. can easily exist as neighbours in either timeline.

I know Twinrova could be reincarnated, but if they were they wouldn't know anything about Ganon- tWW Link is a reincarnation of OoT Link (OoT Link having returned to his own time with no blood descendents) and he has no clue of his spiritual heritage. Same with FSA Ganon who knows nothing of teh Triforce or seemingly anything of his previous self. So I don't think OoX Twinrova can be a reincarnation.



Well maybe you've just strengthened my point!- We only see Rauru's fat, Hylian form in the sacred realm- maybe all the ancient sages, when in physical Hyrule itself, can only appear as ethereal ghosty creatures.

Wasn't it confirmed in-game that TWW Link isn't related the the adult Link from OOT time, as there is no Hero of Time on the adult timeline after he defeats Ganondorf? On the hand, TP Link was confirmed in-game to be a Hero of Time decendent...

If the Oracles do, indeed, take place on the child timeline (I guess they could, Link having the Trifroce mark on his hand and all, as he never loses it in the adult timeline, but does in the child one after TWW), I reckon that marks the (current) end of the child timeline.

So, my timeline is now...

MM - TP - OOA/OOS
/
TMC - OOT -
\ TWW/PH - SP (?) - FS/FSA - ALTTP - LA - LOZ - AOL


In fact, I think that I might consider placing Spirit Tracks after AOL because the map(s) on that game really reaking match the AOL map and I recall seeing five towns in one picture! Or, could that even be six towns? I think Spirit Tracks has a lot of AOL references, and the maps seems to similar (like a bit of the AOL map... I dunno! I refuse to accept that it takes place 100 years after PH; it looks like it takes place after AOL to me... I mean, after Hyrule is ravaged (which was the Hyrule founded after the flood), the people moved north of Death Mountain and may have evntually settled train tracks throught that big new Hyrule...

I personally cannot help but sees the AOL references in the up-coming DS game... Here, might as well get your opinion on the map: http://www.zeldainformer.com/forums/...showtopic=4214

I mean, at least five (probably six... AOL Sage towns, anyone?) towns, water nearby on on the map, even more overworld ahead... Yep, the game has gotta be after AOL, especially considering that Hyrule may have multiple contients in this game...

Heck, one of the pictures shows a mountain behind a castle with a tower on it, so I'm going to assume this is the LTTP/LOZ/AOL era...

The thing that's confusing me is that you keep swapping the meaning of Adult and Child Timelines...

"I guess they could, Link having the Trifroce mark on his hand and all, as he never loses it in the adult timeline, but does in the child one after TWW"- says tWW is child and TP is adult- this is the opposite of the norm of the names and you keep swapping what you call each, as MM/TP follows from the ending of OoT as a child and is the Child TL, while tWW, in which Adult Link ended the adventure and then left, is what's called the Adult TL, it's really difficult to follow your line of thought when the titles don't make sense! Sorry, trying to grasp you.

As for the maps, I don't think there's anything to go on really yet as per timeline. Only that it's either late enough so that the waters have lowered, or that it's on the ST. I really can't say, I expect late on the AT(tWW) cause of the style and the fact this would make sense with steam technology.

Also, as I've said, I put aLttP in the opposite timeline to LoZ and AoL as its counterpart, so it doesn't really affect me sentences like 'the aLttP/LoZ era' cause their different timelines!
And yes, it was confirmed in game tWW Link has no blood relation to the Hero of Time, that's why I call him a 're-incarnation', not a 'descendent'.

Originally Posted by TP or Oot

Not completely true. The bosses wouldn't have caused as much trouble, seeing how Ganondorf stirred them up. Let me try to explain.

Phantom Ganon and Volvagia wouldn't be there. Phantom Ganon was created by Ganondorf to keep Link from awakening Saria as Forest Sage. Volvagia is revived by ganondorf, as it was supposedly dead.
So, No Ganondorf=No Phantom Ganon or Volvagia.

I thought that Volvagia was just sealed up, but either way it agrees with what I said.

Mopha, Bongo Bongo, and Twinrova already existed before Ganondorf, so they would still be alive after Ganondorf's execution in the Child Timeline.
We don't know as much about Morpha, but Morpha was sealed in the Water Temple long before Ganondorf. Bongo Bongo was sealed in the Well by Impa before Ganondorf came to power. I believe Ganondorf helped to free Bongo Bong. So without Ganondorf, Bongo Bongo would still be trapped in the well.

Like I said, they were sealed up.

Twinrova lived a long time before Ganondorf. They tell us that they had lived for 900+ years (cant remember exactly, been some time since i did playthrough). They also used the Spirit Temple as their base. Twinrova might have been executed in Arbitor's Grounds. We don't know though.

Tis is pretty much the only one that didn't agree with what I said.

So some bosses would still be there before ganondorf.

I didn't say they wouldn't exist, I meant there would be no bosses to fight.