What supports the Four Swords Adentures to A Link to the Past flow?

or ZeldaDungeon

ZL: Yes.
ZI: yes.
ZD: no.

It's worse there then here...

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Funny you should say that seeing as I've helped probably in the range of 50 different people get a grasp on theorizing via PM discussions since I joined here, and everyone of them will tell you I lay out the basic facts and strongly encourage them to ignore the group thinking mentallity, and thoroughly examine the facts for themselves before constructing their timeline (particularly based upon the popular timelines)

Eh, it's just that to me it seems like you're closing off any interpretation of the whole "Ganon was born" sentence. To me, that does indeed seem very closed-minded, and I guess I haven't really debated enough with you to see whether you're like that in every discussion, but I'm sorry I guess...?

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I've made many attempts to prove my own theories wrong because I get so sick of people following me blindly just because I won some theorist awards. The last thing in the world I want is a bunch of mindless robots worshipping me. I've always encouraged people to debate my ideas, and I've yet to walk away and ignore you like Rajin has suggested I do, because I'm willing to listen to evidence against me...but you haven't provided any.

Ok, right here there's nothing I can say but *facepalm*

Now, you might be a nice guy and all, but I think you've missed the point. I was never trying to prove you wrong, I can gladly accept your theory as a possibility (well except for the "IW-into-ALttP isn't really right" one, but I guess that is a possibility, per se...), but all I've really been trying to do is show that my theory is possible, which you don't seem so keen on agreeing with...

Originally Posted by Artemicion

The Ganon story was intended to be the one for the Ganon you find in the Pyramid of Power in 1991; then it was adapted to be the one for the Ganon we see in OoT in 1998; then it became obvious that the story of Ganon in OoT was not the same story of the Ganon in the Pyramid of Power in 2002 (TWW) and 2004 (FSA), as those games killed off OoT Ganon and introduced a new Ganon that seemed to be the same one as ALttP, respectively.

In addition, the Ganon story that was adapted for OoT no longer exists in the most recent version of ALttP; instead of the Seal War is a distant legend that happened a long time ago with no explicit connection to Ganon

There is an apparent developer intent to make the IW story the story of OoT's Ganon, and there is an apparent developer intent to separate OoT's Ganon from ALttP's Ganon, and there is a much looser version of the original story in the most recent version of ALttP that does not necessarily establish the IW story as the story of ALttP's Ganon.

What there is not is any direct indication that the IW story is still intended to be the story of ALttP's Ganon. So, based on this, I do not see sufficient evidence to say "the story of the Sages' seal is no longer supposed to take place in OoT, but it in fact happens at a different time featuring ALttP's Ganon."

There is really no problem with thinking that that is the case if you consider the intent of OoT to be obsolete; however, I don't see why there's any problem with considering ALttP to be distant from the IW if you believe the intent of ALttP to be even more obsolete, which I think is pretty obvious given that its story, more than any other, has been adapted time and again to the point that it can no longer hold its original place in the story.

The developers don't seem interested at all in ALttP's original story. Otherwise OoT would lead directly into ALttP, would have featured Ganon obtaining the entire Triforce, etc. But the fact of the matter is that neither of these things is the case, so one has to accept that OoT does not connect directly to ALttP, and that he was wrong about how that connection was supposed to work, not the developers.

Suddenly I feel like I felt Erimgard was back then...

Alright, it is a possibility that the Imprisoning War doesn't lead directly into ALttP, especially if you don't consider the Imprisoning War to happen as per SNES manual. I personally feel it's a pretty large stretch, but whatever.

Opinions~~

That said, frack, I really should calm down, sorry for being so hot-headed guys : \

Originally Posted by Artemicion

It certainly can have multiple meanings, but if they meant to say simply "Ganon became the king of evil," why not say just that?

To sound fancy, I guess. Having elaborate writing makes it look much better and more enjoyable to read.

Originally Posted by True Sorrow

Alright, it is a possibility that the Imprisoning War doesn't lead directly into ALttP, especially if you don't consider the Imprisoning War to happen as per SNES manual. I personally feel it's a pretty large stretch, but whatever.

It's not a stretch to say that the Imprisoning War that happened in the SNES manual was adapted into OoT, since the developers themselves have said that.

It may be a stretch to say that the Imprisoning War that happens in the GBA manual happens in OoT, but I don't think there's much ground by which one can say that, since the detail that most people have a problem with - ALttP's Ganon taking part in the war - is completely absent from the GBA manual.

I disagree that there is any evidence that the IW of the GBA manual has to happen immediately before ALttP, and I don't think there was any indication that OoT was ever supposed to lead directly into ALttP, either, because of Ganondorf's failure to unite the Triforce before the game's ending (he has the entire thing in ALttP), despite being the IW.

So in the end I don't conclude that the IW happens directly before ALttP in the timeline - why should I? I see no evidence that it has been the case since OoT was released. (Or, if one takes S&D as canon, since long before even that.)

That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I've made many attempts to prove my own theories wrong because I get so sick of people following me blindly just because I won some theorist awards. The last thing in the world I want is a bunch of mindless robots worshipping me. I've always encouraged people to debate my ideas, and I've yet to walk away and ignore you like Rajin has suggested I do, because I'm willing to listen to evidence against me...but you haven't provided any.

Guess that's what you have to do if you wanna be a mod. By the way when did you become a mod?

^About......5 or 6 months ago I believe?

Yeah he's been one for a while now...
Edit: Also sorow, I never said your theory wasn't possible, just unlikely.

ZL: Yes.
ZI: yes.
ZD: no.

It's worse there then here...

Ehh the discussion that's been going on here has been CRAP lately. I've been over at ZD waaay more than I've been on ZU lately.