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Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Yes, but some things in the Zelda series are still from Japanese culture, and those things are what MPS typically clarifies. Your above post seems to suggest that you think that MPS' general assistance with things has been hindered by that interview.

They never had to understand the entire culture, they just had to realize that some things were from Japanese culture.

Hindered in the areas which are not Japanese Culture oriented. I tend to get the general feeling that everything needs to be understood from a Japanese point of view under his notations and guidance with Jumbie and jacensolo06's respect.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Hindered in the areas which are not Japanese Culture oriented.

But he mainly just deals with things that are Japanese Culture oriented. I don't see how the interview really hinders him.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

But he mainly just gives insight on things that are Japanese Culture oriented. I don't see how the interview really hinders him.

Right. That's fine. I got nothing against what he does. I just don't agree with the general "everything has to be Japanese" attitude in order to understand the series' plots more objectively (this isn't HIS fault so much, but the people that obsess into every new translation as becoming 'new evidence)'. This apparently is not the case because we still can use Japanese Re-Translation and Non-translated Texts co-inside to develop a thesis, then follow through to a conclusion.

I'm not saying this negates his usefulness. It simply regulates his proposals and notations to a different standard, which I hope he will be more open-minded about due to this resent interview.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Right. That's fine. I got nothing against what he does. I just don't agree with the general "everything has to be Japanese" attitude in order to understand the series' plots more objectively (this isn't HIS fault so much, but the people that obsess into every new translation as becoming 'new evidence)'.

Japanese translations are only seen as "new evidence" when they say something that the English translations didn't. It's not like you're forbidden to use anything as evidence unless it has been translated first.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

It's not like you're forbidden to use anything as evidence unless it has been translated first.

I don't believe you. The popular theorists trends and demands say otherwise (continuing random re-translation requests, etc) irregardless if the canonical element/s are jaded with Japanese culture or not. There's apparently a thin line between schematics and taking contexts too literally - as Impossible would put it (or in other words: microscopic analysis [Occam's Razor]). Everyone has a cultural bias (including MPS) that needs to be challenged within themselves. All I'm saying is that This interview should be taken into consideration, challenging MPS's personal interpretations in whether they realistically match up to developers' vision. (Note: I'm not challenging his good intention and integrity up to this point, just his process of assessment based on what Miyamoto said.)

Yet maybe disputing the inevitable is quite pointless on my part. Others will continue to 'redefine' canon because Nintendo's objectivity doesn't match up to the scrutiny these people want it to be (AKA: looking into the texts too much, too). And if I'm right, I ask: This isn't a personal agenda in itself?

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

I don't believe you. The popular theorists trends and demands say otherwise (continuing random re-translation requests

We ask for lines to be translated to see if something was left out of the English version. Nobody thinks that you can't use evidence if it hasn't been translated first.

^Bull♥♥♥♥.

Tell that to MPS.

Apparently, this thread doesn't have this quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Owsen

Heh, well, all I can tell you is, when I asked Mr. Miyamoto about the order of the games, he admitted that he didn't know!

http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/te...n-miyamoto.txt

It should be noted that this quote was made after all instances of Miyamoto stating his order, possibly making this quote discount the Miyamoto order.

It doesn't have this either:

Dan, it appears something about the The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past translation is jumbled. It is said the events played out in Ocarina of Time were the events that happened in the story of A Link to the Past, and therefor were to solve many story holes. But if Zelda 3's instruction manual is read, these events sound completely different, and now there seem to be more holes than ever. It clearly states on the back of the box of A Link to the Past that it was a prequel to Zeldas 1 and 2, but Miyamoto says it comes after them. What's the truth?

Dan: The truth is, the text on the box (and possibly the Nintendo Power guide) is wrong. D'oh! If you just ignore the box text, the stories fit together better. Basically, the events in Ocarina are the "Imprisoning War" described in the SNES version's story. The Golden Land was the Sacred Realm before Ganondorf corrupted it. The order of the stories is: Ocarina, Zelda 1, Zelda 2, A Link to the Past. Since Link's Awakening was a dream (or was it?) it's hard to say where it fits.

source:http://www.adventureofhyrule.com/int...lrpgowsen.html

Hmm... This was made before the quote Jarsh posted, so I wonder if Owsen was mad for being fired, or if he simply said this so the SW made more sense with TWW...

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

We ask for lines to be translated to see if something was left out of the English version. Nobody thinks that you can't use evidence if it hasn't been translated first.

'Ye who has the gold makes the rules.'

Spend wisely because things often change when least expected.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

source:http://www.adventureofhyrule.com/int...lrpgowsen.html

Hmm... This was made before the quote Jarsh posted, so I wonder if Owsen was mad for being fired, or if he simply said this so the SW made more sense with TWW...

Yep. I'm sure he thought at the time, "I know what I'll do: Confuse the hell out of the Zelda fans because Mr. Miyamoto doesn't recognize my superior translating skills. That'll show them! They can take their crummy timeline and shove it up their arses! Wahahahaha!!!"

In all seriousness, his interpretation and bias may not hold any weight today because of his termination.

^Or maybe they never held any weight because he's ♥♥♥♥ing NoA lol.

^
Honestly, I think he's about as credible as Miyamoto is because all he did in accordance to the timeline is recant whatever Miyamoto said.

EDIT: Also, it seems as if the interview for Aonuma saying the GBA Four Swords game isn't there on GameInformer. Luckily, we have this archive.

---Thanks to RZ in advance.

Adding this to be added to the first post in the near future:

ONM:
Zelda mastermind Eiji Aonuma has told ONM that some of the speculation surrounding the Zelda Wii artwork released at E3 was right - but wouldn't confirm anything more.

Who is the character standing in front of Link?
Speaking in an ONM-exclusive interview, Aonuma confirmed that someone out there in internet land has already worked out what the deal is with the character standing in front of Link in the E3 artwork - but wasn't allowed to say any more.

"You will have to wait until next year when we can elaborate on this and many other things," said Aonuma. "But what I can tell you is that yes I have read some of the speculation, and some of it is right! That is all I can say at the moment."

Zelda Theorists FTW.

Looks like what do isn't in vain after all. Canon matters ---S-N-A-P---