The Races of Wind Waker

Okay, I've been thinking about this one for quite some time.

So in WW, you're in an ocean, but there's no zoras to be found, oddly enough. So I'm guessing that the zoras evolved into the Rito (c'mon, the similarity between the name Rito and Ruto, the name of the zora princess from OoT, practially no difference). And when you awaken Medli as a sage, her ancestor was a zora (which I'm not really sure if it actually is Ruto or not) so I'm sure that's obvious. But we all know that they couldn't evolve so quickly. I mean, Hyrule flooded. Wouldn't that make them be able to survive and prosper much more easily?

I think the race of the hylians can easily be explained. The King knew what was bound to happen, so he evacuated the citizens to the mountain tops which are now the islands.

For the gorons, I would say most of their species has been wiped out, except for the few who still float around the ocean. Or they just all have a good hiding place. I mean in TP they can survive underwater, as shown by the goron in Zora's Domain. All I want to know is, what does everyone else think and does this theory sound legit?

Originally Posted by MaidenOfLight

For the gorons, I would say most of their species has been wiped out, except for the few who still float around the ocean. Or they just all have a good hiding place. I mean in TP they can survive underwater, as shown by the goron in Zora's Domain. All I want to know is, what does everyone else think and does this theory sound legit?

The Gorons are all on Goron Island found in the region of the Great Sea found in PH.

But what happened to the Gerudos?

Gorons- some are merchants, most seem to live on Goron Island.

Zora- in OoX they are looking for a new domain, we can guess that they probably migrated after the flood since Lake Hylia, which is sacred to them, was flooded over.

Gerudo- since the Cobble in PH have reddish hair (like the Gerudo), are tied to pyramids (like the Gerudo in FSA), and their knights share names with the Carpenters (who stayed awhile at Gerudo Valley), I'm inclined to think the Cobble are an offshoot of the Gerudo.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

The Gorons are all on Goron Island found in the region of the Great Sea found in PH.

I actually wish to stray from Phantom Hourglass, cause let's face it, there's a few holes between Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, cause for one, in PH, all of the Rito disappeared. And don't say that the postman is one, because he has separate wings and no beak, unlike the Rito.

As for the gerudos, that is a very good question. I would say that some of them even became pirates themselves, but we just never see them, and we may never know.

One thing I forgot to mention was the koroks, and I guess it's safe to say that they "evolved" from the Kokiri tribe. Since the forest was flooded over, the great deku tree, being the magical deity that he is, created the Forest Haven for the survivors of the forest. But I'm thinking he's trying to recreate the forest by sending out all the koroks to replant more trees across the great sea.

most all these are right PH takes place in another world as stated by oshus so the gorons moved their and the rito evolved from the zora for more access to the world. the guruedo died off and the kokiri did evolve into the korok.

Kokiri - Koroks (Stated by Deku tree to have once took on human form)
Zora - Rito (Laruto's [a Sage] descendant was a Rito)
Goron - Goron ( There are a few ideas around the Gorons. I personally like the idea that they could still be living under the Ocean on the Ocean floor. They can survive underwater so it is plausible. I do not like the idea that they migrated to the Ocean King's Ocean [in PH]. This is mainly because there are many hints to suggest that it was not a real world; being either a seperate dimension [in which case the Gorons would have always been there, think MM] or a dream world [in which case it doesn't matter, think LA].
For the Gerudo is equally awkward, but think about what happened to them at the end of OOT. Their leader had been sealed away, they would either be found guilty of helping him, or chased off/killed, or redeemed and reaccepted into Hylian society.)
WIth Gorons and Gerudo, there is a little bit too much to take into account to give a definite answer.

Originally Posted by Kingconnor

Goron - Goron ( There are a few ideas around the Gorons. I personally like the idea that they could still be living under the Ocean on the Ocean floor. They can survive underwater so it is plausible. I do not like the idea that they migrated to the Ocean King's Ocean [in PH]. This is mainly because there are many hints to suggest that it was not a real world; being either a seperate dimension [in which case the Gorons would have always been there, think MM] or a dream world [in which case it doesn't matter, think LA].
For the Gerudo is equally awkward, but think about what happened to them at the end of OOT. Their leader had been sealed away, they would either be found guilty of helping him, or chased off/killed, or redeemed and reaccepted into Hylian society.)
WIth Gorons and Gerudo, there is a little bit too much to take into account to give a definite answer.

I wonder if they do have some kind of civilization under the waves of the Great Sea. But even if they did, wouldn't they envolve in some way to travel through water faster instead of walking around like they are on the moon?

Also with the Gerudos, I think they might have mixed with the Hylians since a lot of people perhaps perished in the floods and they needed to breed in order for people to live on, no matter the events that were taking place.

Originally Posted by MaidenOfLight

Okay, I've been thinking about this one for quite some time.

So in WW, you're in an ocean, but there's no zoras to be found, oddly enough. So I'm guessing that the zoras evolved into the Rito (c'mon, the similarity between the name Rito and Ruto, the name of the zora princess from OoT, practially no difference). And when you awaken Medli as a sage, her ancestor was a zora (which I'm not really sure if it actually is Ruto or not) so I'm sure that's obvious. But we all know that they couldn't evolve so quickly. I mean, Hyrule flooded. Wouldn't that make them be able to survive and prosper much more easily?

I'm not one of the greatest fans of the Zora->Rito theory, because the Rito seem pretty human to me.

Also, there are Green Zoras (or red ones, depending; aka Zolas, Bad Zoras or River Zoras sometimes) in PH, and they are actually called Zoras (Zora Warriors).

And if OoA follows in the AT, the Blue (Ocean) Zoras are also there.

I think the race of the hylians can easily be explained. The King knew what was bound to happen, so he evacuated the citizens to the mountain tops which are now the islands.

Hmm, it really depends on how fast the flood was. If it was a fast process, i'd say that most of the Hylians in the plains simply died. If not, they simply moved up while the lower parts were flooding...

For the gorons, I would say most of their species has been wiped out, except for the few who still float around the ocean. Or they just all have a good hiding place. I mean in TP they can survive underwater, as shown by the goron in Zora's Domain. All I want to know is, what does everyone else think and does this theory sound legit?

Gorons in Hyrule actually ceased to exist with time (at least the way i see it). That is a good continuation plot device linking TWW to TMC.

Also, in PH, there is a Goron Island, which I do believe to have deflooded into becoming the Goron Mountain from Holodrum (OoS).

And there is also a mountain full of Gorons in OoA, so I'd say the Gorons simply migrated due to teh flood...

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As for the Gerudo->Cobble, I actually like that idea. I can see the similarities there...

Kokiri->koroks is obvious.

And the Sheikah probably became the pirates from the fortress in TWW...

In the Japanese translation the word "bloodline" is never used to describe the connection between Laruto and Medli; Medli is simply a "successor," rather like she was Komali's grandmother's successor. So there is not a distinct blood-link between the Zora and the Rito after all.

The Rito are far closer to Hylians than Zoras.
And Medli wasn't literally a blood descendant, that was a mistake by NoA.

Technically "bloodline" was still correct, since it can mean anything from a simple line of descent to actual pedigree, but it still carried implications not necessarily present in the Japanese.

NoA should've altered the term in localization. It was a mistake not to because of the different connotations.

I'm not sure if I believe the Zora<Rito theory, but when playing MM yesterday I found something that might be hinting at it. (Despite WW not existing at the time)
During the Keaton quiz in Majora's Mask, one of the questions is:

What is the name of the singer of the Indigo-gos?

A. Ruto

B. Rito

C. Lulu

D. Mikau (At least I'm pretty sure D was Mikau, but it doesn't really effect my point)

B possibly means Nintendo where possibly planning to to make some relation between the future Rito's and Zora's. Either that or it's just what it seems, just a possible answer for a quiz...

Hmmm. I really dislike the idea of the Gerudo dying out, so I have some theories to explain their absence.

1. I doubt the Gerudo would have been killed off or punished by the Hylians. The Gerudo seem to be very happy Ganondorf is gone, and one of the Six Sages was a Gerudo. Ganny threatened to murder the descendants of the Sages, and considering Nabooru was his second-in-command, he probably would have had an especial grudge against her lineage. Since the Gerudo were joyfully celebrating Ganny's banishment, he probably would have felt their betrayal greatly. So personally I think the Gerudo had as much, if not more reason to fear his return.

2. There are several characters in PH that seem to greatly resemble Gerudo, (Jonnne, Jolene, Zauz and especially Astrid) which suggest that they simply sailed away into a different part of the Great Sea, like the Gorons did. We thought they were dying out in TWW, but we found a thriving community of them in PH.

The Forsaken Fortress seems to be roughly placed where the Gerudo Fortress was. Im wondering if maybe this was were the Gerudo who survived the flood evacuated to? Perhaps they sailed away for somewhere new as well (Tetra mentions her rivals living in the Fortress, until her crew drove them out.)

So I like to think the tribe has scattered to many parts of the Great Sea, and we may meet them again soon!

Another theory I heard was that many Humans are in fact the result of Gerudo and Hylian blood diluted together, (hence characters with tanned skin, red hair and round ears.)

Maybe Oshus is the Wind Fish and the whole 'Great Flood' was just another dream of his.

Originally Posted by TheNaviNazi

Maybe Oshus is the Wind Fish and the whole 'Great Flood' was just another dream of his.

*Facepalm* & LOL

Anyone ever think that the talking mapping fish (lol no recollection of there race) are some how related to the Zora, considering that Jabu-Jabu, there guardian Diety, was in a fish like form. Maybe some became Rito, maybe some became fish?

It's completely obvious that the Zora became the Rito. I mean completely obvious, there's no new ground in that "theory".

And have you ever seen a Zora in anything but freshwater in Hyrule? No, you haven't. So the salty Great Sea probably forced them to move onto land. And they must have evolved wings in order to scour out food, which is probably scarce in TWW's oceans. The only fish I've seen is the fishman who makes your maps, and he isn't even a regular fish since he has connections to the King and was sent to help Link on his journey (I'm guessing he's a more modern version of Impa or Sheik in that regard).

As for the Gorons, they are in the game as merchants, so they obviously have lived. Why they became nomads is unknown.

And the Kokiri are obviously the Koroks. "Children of the forest" fits the Koroks exactly.

Originally Posted by Neji666

Anyone ever think that the talking mapping fish (lol no recollection of there race) are some how related to the Zora, considering that Jabu-Jabu, there guardian Diety, was in a fish like form. Maybe some became Rito, maybe some became fish?

The fishman is just one fish, it's the same fish. He says something about his deal with the King of Red Lions before the Wind Temple (I think).