The Races of Wind Waker

Originally Posted by Kingconnor

Kokiri - Koroks (Stated by Deku tree to have once took on human form)
Zora - Rito (Laruto's [a Sage] descendant was a Rito)
Goron - Goron ( There are a few ideas around the Gorons. I personally like the idea that they could still be living under the Ocean on the Ocean floor. They can survive underwater so it is plausible. I do not like the idea that they migrated to the Ocean King's Ocean [in PH]. This is mainly because there are many hints to suggest that it was not a real world; being either a seperate dimension [in which case the Gorons would have always been there, think MM] or a dream world [in which case it doesn't matter, think LA].
For the Gerudo is equally awkward, but think about what happened to them at the end of OOT. Their leader had been sealed away, they would either be found guilty of helping him, or chased off/killed, or redeemed and reaccepted into Hylian society.)
WIth Gorons and Gerudo, there is a little bit too much to take into account to give a definite answer.

The Gorons ARE IN THE WIND WAKER! Use the Deku Leaf on the traveling merchants. There's one on Mother & Child Isles, Great Fish Isle, and I think Bomb Island. They are Gorons underneath their hats.

Originally Posted by Feline Witch

Hmmm. I really dislike the idea of the Gerudo dying out, so I have some theories to explain their absence.

1. I doubt the Gerudo would have been killed off or punished by the Hylians. The Gerudo seem to be very happy Ganondorf is gone, and one of the Six Sages was a Gerudo. Ganny threatened to murder the descendants of the Sages, and considering Nabooru was his second-in-command, he probably would have had an especial grudge against her lineage. Since the Gerudo were joyfully celebrating Ganny's banishment, he probably would have felt their betrayal greatly. So personally I think the Gerudo had as much, if not more reason to fear his return.

2. There are several characters in PH that seem to greatly resemble Gerudo, (Jonnne, Jolene, Zauz and especially Astrid) which suggest that they simply sailed away into a different part of the Great Sea, like the Gorons did. We thought they were dying out in TWW, but we found a thriving community of them in PH.

The Forsaken Fortress seems to be roughly placed where the Gerudo Fortress was. Im wondering if maybe this was were the Gerudo who survived the flood evacuated to? Perhaps they sailed away for somewhere new as well (Tetra mentions her rivals living in the Fortress, until her crew drove them out.)

So I like to think the tribe has scattered to many parts of the Great Sea, and we may meet them again soon!

Another theory I heard was that many Humans are in fact the result of Gerudo and Hylian blood diluted together, (hence characters with tanned skin, red hair and round ears.)

I would like to believe in this too as it seems like this could be what actually happened.

And yes, Zauz and Astrid look very Gerudo-ish!


I thought this too when i first saw them, aswell as Jolene (the fact shes a pirate, wears make up similar to the Gerudo tribe and has the same hairstyle.)

Aonuma: We created the Rito as the evolved form of the Zora that appeared in "Ocarina of Time" and the Korogs as what the Kokiri became once they left the forest. They appear different, but they have inherited their blood.

This interview has recenty been translated by Jacensolo06 of LA Zelda Forums.

Which essentially solidifies Zora into Rito, however I also believe that some migrated out of the area. In regards to the koroks, it's pretty obvious.

This all makes sense, except for the fact that there is no way that Koroks are evolved from Kokori. Kokori are pretty much people (the pinnacle of evolution), and Koroks seem like little wooden sprites wearing leaves on their faces (they don't seem to bright either). Maybe de-evolution?

They are wood sprites in a way, but they didn't evolve they just changed form.

These are the Koroks_the spirits of
the forest.

Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks
took on human forms, but when they came
to live on the sea, they took these shapes.

I like the idea of the Forsaken Fortress being where the Gerudos ended up. They were desert thieves that had to readapt and become water pirates. Tetra does say a group of pirates they were feuding with occupied the forsaken fortress. Possible that Ganon found his way there, saw that his tribe continued without him and had them eliminated.

Originally Posted by Mochiball

This all makes sense, except for the fact that there is no way that Koroks are evolved from Kokori. Kokori are pretty much people (the pinnacle of evolution), and Koroks seem like little wooden sprites wearing leaves on their faces (they don't seem to bright either). Maybe de-evolution?

If you think there's a pinnacle of evolution, you obviously do not understand evolution.

I like the idea of the Forsaken Fortress being where the Gerudos ended up. They were desert thieves that had to readapt and become water pirates. Tetra does say a group of pirates they were feuding with occupied the forsaken fortress...

Good theory

Possible that Ganon found his way there, saw that his tribe continued without him and had them eliminated.

Aaand were back. Fan-fiction

sorry but there is no indication that Ganon came back and killed his ex-followers

the game doesn't show the entire world
the gerudo could have fleed to another lands
the zora can be very deep underwater
and about evolution:
developed races don't evolve, cause they choose their mates according to appeareance, not strength, cause c'mon, would you have a guy with feathers as your boyfriend?

cause c'mon, would you have a guy with feathers as your boyfriend?

Yes, Yes I would, Just Kidding

However you feel about evolution It really doesn't matter because in this instance Aonuma confirmed evolution

ye, sadly...

rito are confirmed to have evolved from zora.

@fucduck: the actual specifics or mechanics of that evolution are magical. the process of natural evolution requires more time than could possibly occur between two games.

We don't know, maybe some Zoras turned into Rito and other ramained as Zoras.

I believe some migrated and some evolved

Originally Posted by fucduck

and about evolution:
developed races don't evolve, cause they choose their mates according to appeareance, not strength, cause c'mon, would you have a guy with feathers as your boyfriend?

Then developed races slowly become weaker and prettier. Still evolving.
And complex changes like feathers don't happen all at once, if a potential boyfriend has feathers then he's either a different species or you also have feathers.

[QUOTE=Oni-TLink;2876445]Good theory


Aaand were back. Fan-fiction

sorry but there is no indication that Ganon came back and killed his ex-followers[/QUOTE

OK OK!! Fine. I take back the Ganon thing.

man its soo hard for me to stay active on this forum

anyway, I'm not a fan of the Zora->Rito theory either ( its like a fish evolving into a bird, scales turning into feathers)

But it does seem to make a bit of sense

as for the Gorons, I believe that the most are probably gone, though the fact that the one in TP can breath underwater is surprising, but for a race like that, I doubt they can last under water for long

I'm stumped with the Gerudo, they were always the wild card race to me, they were always a mystery......

And with the Koroks, like its already been said, they were once the Kokiri
The whole Forest Haven and the Forbidden Woods used to be the Kokiri Forest

I support the Zora to Rito evolution since Laruto happens to be the ancient sage of the Ritos, as Fado is to the Koroks, even thought he is a humanoid form of a Kokiri.

Also, I'm not sure on what happened to the rest of the Gorons if only three are in existence. They could be living underneath the ocean, since in TP, they are known to live underwater without the need to survive for oxygen.

And the Gerudos must have slowly bred in with the Hylians. You see mixtures of dark skinned and white skinned people in Windfall island and other inhabitated areas (even though there is barely any cities in WW).

Zora > Rito...


May I please take this chance to ask a question?

After killing Kalle Demos and saving Makar, King has you sail to Greatfish Isle. It's expected to be like the previous two, but when you get there, everything is raining and it's night. Instead of a community focused around the local demi-god, like Dragon Roost or Forest Haven, you find destruction. King asks himself what has happened, implying it wasn't always in ruins. He then says you're too late. Between him and the postman, it's basically been implied that a people who worship a Jabu-Jabu-with-a-namechange have been killed. At least, I remember something like that. Then we learn Jabun relocated himself to Outset.

Who were the people living on Greatfish Isle? Were they the Zoras? Which means that the main reason you don't see them would be that they were all killed before the game. Or within the first two dungeons. But you see what I'm asking, right?

Originally Posted by デクの皇太子

Zora > Rito...


May I please take this chance to ask a question?

After killing Kalle Demos and saving Makar, King has you sail to Greatfish Isle. It's expected to be like the previous two, but when you get there, everything is raining and it's night. Instead of a community focused around the local demi-god, like Dragon Roost or Forest Haven, you find destruction. King asks himself what has happened, implying it wasn't always in ruins. He then says you're too late. Between him and the postman, it's basically been implied that a people who worship a Jabu-Jabu-with-a-namechange have been killed. At least, I remember something like that. Then we learn Jabun relocated himself to Outset.

Who were the people living on Greatfish Isle? Were they the Zoras? Which means that the main reason you don't see them would be that they were all killed before the game. Or within the first two dungeons. But you see what I'm asking, right?

wow, that could raise a few opinions as well