Faron Woods = Kokiri Forest?

Originally Posted by smallville boy

from WW

They are children of the forest. ALWAYS

GAME OVA

Oh, sorry, didn't see that

Anyway, that does not prove they have to always be children. Just that they were children in TWW

Originally Posted by Smertios

Oh, sorry, didn't see that

Anyway, that does not prove they have to always be children. Just that they were children in TWW

They are children in OOT and WW because they ARE children of the forest, they ALWAYS are children.

Originally Posted by Smertios

stuff

durr hurr hurr! sorry!

i was doing homework when i came across this thread, so i kinda like glanced through the thread and didn't pay attention to the posters. so i kinda misread some things, and thought you said some things you didn't say at all! DX

i apologize!

The monkeys live in a building related to the kokiri and there have been claims that the kokiri symbol has been seenin a monkey. That's enough for a proper investigation...

Exactly my point. It's worth discussing. Currently i'm neutral on that issue. If we see more conclusive evidence proving or disproving the theory, i might change my mind. But for now SVB hasn't showed conclusive enough evidence to disprove that theory...

meh, i don't think it's evidence enough to completely claim that the monkeys are descended from kokiris. after all, why would they lose the ability to speak? To make a connection by using obscure symbols... it's stretching it real far. and about the monkeys living in the Great Deku Tree, if it's uninhabited by humans, wild things will take residence there. i wouldn't be surprised that after the area was abandoned by the kokiri, it would be taken over by monkeys. and my point with the Majora's Mask monkeys was that those monkeys were also highly intelligent, and they were nothing more than monkeys. what's not to say that something similar didn't happen in Hyrule? After all, they're supposed to be alternate universes...

and besides, wasn't the symbol for Farore? I always thought that the Kokiri adopted it because Farore was the goddess that most closely represented them, since she was the one that "breathed life" into the earth and created all the greens that grow, like grasses and trees and such. and since forests are pretty much trees and plants, and the kokiri are pretty much forest spirits, it makes sense that an area with forests and vegetation that they would occupy would have the symbol. however, anybody who worships Farore would also adopt the symbol of her, and doesn't make it exclusive to the Kokiri. i hope i'm making sense.

It's a possibility, but i find it a bit too far-fetched for my liking. i'm sure if the creators would want there to be a connection between the monkeys and the kokiri, they would've made it more clear. but that's just me.

i think it's more possible that the kokiri fled to deeper parts of the forest. after all, they're based on wood elves/forest spirits, which tend to be shy around humans. either that or they all died when the great deku tree couldn't protect them anymore...

which makes me wonder, could the Great Deku Tree have something to do with the fact that there wasn't any Hylian settlements in the forest prior to his death? after all, once he died monsters invaded the forest in OoT, so he must have done something to protect the forest and the kokiri. i find it hard to believe that there wasn't any Hylians somewhere in the forest when they were found almost everywhere else to an extent. and isn't the forest a part of Hyrule too? just seems weird to me now...

the kokiri forest could fit in where all the purple stuff appears in the faron woods and then they is a trail to the forest temple (old Deku tree)

Originally Posted by Moronic Rascal

meh, i don't think it's evidence enough to completely claim that the monkeys are descended from kokiris. after all, why would they lose the ability to speak? To make a connection by using obscure symbols... it's stretching it real far. and about the monkeys living in the Great Deku Tree, if it's uninhabited by humans, wild things will take residence there. i wouldn't be surprised that after the area was abandoned by the kokiri, it would be taken over by monkeys. and my point with the Majora's Mask monkeys was that those monkeys were also highly intelligent, and they were nothing more than monkeys. what's not to say that something similar didn't happen in Hyrule? After all, they're supposed to be alternate universes...

Sorry for cutting out a lot of your quote, but I liked what you said here.

It does make a lot of sense that the monkeys are just wildlife moving into the abandoned temple (tree). It's the same with all the dungeons really. When the race moves out to a safer location to live, evil and wildlife start to make their home in the abandoned areas.

So really, I think you might be right there. I highly doubt that the monkeys in TP are the Kokirians envolved or something.

Well, the monkeys are the only forest tribe shown in TP, serving the same purpose as the kokiri did in OoT and the deku in MM.

Anyway, let's use this conversation to get somewhere else: why do people believe the Forest Temple is the dead GDT? It is so identical to the Forest Temple in OoT (just look at the entrance)...

Originally Posted by Smertios

Well, the monkeys are the only forest tribe shown in TP, serving the same purpose as the kokiri did in OoT and the deku in MM.

Anyway, let's use this conversation to get somewhere else: why do people believe the Forest Temple is the dead GDT? It is so identical to the Forest Temple in OoT (just look at the entrance)...

Actually, if the Forest Temple in TP IS the Great Deku Tree (as in it's dead), then it could explain the disappearance of the Kokiri tribe.

No Great Deku Tree = No Kokiris to serve him.

Originally Posted by Eternal Legend

Actually, if the Forest Temple in TP IS the Great Deku Tree (as in it's dead), then it could explain the disappearance of the Kokiri tribe.

No Great Deku Tree = No Kokiris to serve him.

How sad. the Gerudo and the Kokiri seem to be extinct in TP.

Just reminding you guys.

Originally Posted by SixaxiS

People have always wondered where exactly Kokiri Forest is in Twilight Princess, but geographically, it would be the Faron Woods. The forest dungeon in Twilight Princess stands where the Deku Tree was in OoT, so one could assume it WAS the Deku Tree. Just like in OoT, the Lost Woods lie west of the Faron Woods. Then, take a look at the part in TP where the purple fog is. Some of the remains of the trees that stand there sort of resemble the houses in Kokiri Forest. You can take a better look at this area at the beginning of the game, before the fog is there. And before the purple fog shows up there, it even has the same feel as Kokiri Forest.

This whole thread isn't about what happened to the Kokiri, it's about what became of Kokiri Forest in TP.

I've already given my opinions on this, most of them in the quoted message above. Your opinions are needed, not on the friggin monkeys, but on the forest itself.

Fado, the guy from TP is a kokiri


Fado OOT


Fado WW


Im a genious

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Fado, the guy from TP is a kokiri


Fado OOT


Fado WW


Im a genious

I really doubt that Fado from TP is a Kokiri.

Because for one, ****! Look at his height compared to the rest of the Kokiri race in the past!

I think Nintendo ran out of names. They tend to do that to a lot of characters in Zelda.

Alright, I've got to ask, why does everyone believe that the Forest Temple is the Deku Tree?

Because they're trees?
Is that essentially it? Because I don't recall the Deku Tree being surrounded by dozens of other Deku Trees.
The Forest Temple entrance is just one breed of tree that grows to massive proportions and is surrounded by an abundance of it's type. Nothing seems to suggest otherwise.

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

Alright, I've got to ask, why does everyone believe that the Forest Temple is the Deku Tree?

Because they're trees?
Is that essentially it? Because I don't recall the Deku Tree being surrounded by dozens of other Deku Trees.
The Forest Temple entrance is just one breed of tree that grows to massive proportions and is surrounded by an abundance of it's type. Nothing seems to suggest otherwise.

The Kokiri symbol on the doors inside the TP forest temple, perhaps? Maybe even the presence of Skulltula's, but that's a long shot. The basic design of the TP forest temple resembles the Deku Tree's inside in alot of ways. And also it's location compared to the rest of what I explained in the first post.

This is a theory, and it can be proven wrong, so counter my theory with proof, not empty words, ok?

What you're seeing as the "Kokiri symbol" is otherwise just used as the symbol for "Forest." It's on the Forest medallion, the Sage of Forest in TP has it on his robe. It's an elemental, not a cultural symbol. I mean, the "Goron" symbol was used in TMC for the Fire element, and there were only five Gorons in that game.

I wouldn't put any connection between it and the Kokiri, especially since we only see it on the Forest medallion and the Emerald in OoT.

Originally Posted by SixaxiS

The Kokiri symbol on the doors inside the TP forest temple, perhaps?

Darthganondorf actually beat me to the explanation for the symbol, even then we don't see it anywhere inside the Deku Tree, leaving little reason to believe they are the same location.

Maybe even the presence of Skulltula's, but that's a long shot.

Have to agree, only means they have similar environments. Again they're just both giant trees.

The basic design of the TP forest temple resembles the Deku Tree's inside in alot of ways.

Please elaborate. Again, apart from being hollowed trees.

And also it's location compared to the rest of what I explained in the first post.

I agree that the forest land in TP is more than likely part of the woodland that make up Kokiri forest and the Lost woods, but that doesn't mean they are Kokiri forest or the Lost woods. Considering they would be farther east, not west.

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

I agree that the forest land in TP is more than likely part of the woodland that make up Kokiri forest and the Lost woods, but that doesn't mean they are Kokiri forest or the Lost woods. Considering they would be farther east, not west.

Then you're suggesting the Zora Domain is in the wrong location as well?

The location of the entire thing holds no meaning to this theory. This is more about the dissapearance of Kokiri Forest and the sudden appearance of Faron Woods in Kokiri Forest's place.

Kokiri Forest can only be Faron Woods. Judging from the location of Faron Woods and Lost Woods/Sacred Grove next to it, there is a high chance that the Forest Temple are the remains of the old Deku Tree.

This is the only logical explanation for the dissapearance of Kokiri Forest in TP.

Btw, at least I'm providing some sort of proof that I'm right. Where's your counter-proof? All you're saying is that i'm wrong, but I don't see anything that proves me wrong.

Originally Posted by SixaxiS

Then you're suggesting the Zora Domain is in the wrong location as well?

On the contrary, I consider Zora's Domain to be a retcon because we know it's Zora's Domain. However as all other locations are in the same rough position we can assume that unvisited areas should be in thier respective areas as well. Seeing as we can't prove that the Sacred Grove is the Lost Woods or that Faron Woods was Kokiri forest we can assume that they should be in their original position, east of death mountain.

The location of the entire thing holds no meaning to this theory. This is more about the dissapearance of Kokiri Forest and the sudden appearance of Faron Woods in Kokiri Forest's place.

I don't believe Kokiri Forest disappeared, we simply had no need to visit it, all you're doing is comparing a new location to a familiar one.

Kokiri Forest can only be Faron Woods. Judging from the location of Faron Woods and Lost Woods/Sacred Grove next to it, there is a high chance that the Forest Temple are the remains of the old Deku Tree.

Don't get ahead of yourself, in this case your argument hinges on the Lost Woods becoming the Sacred Grove. Which I don't buy.
The only similarity between the two is one Skullkid, and it's not like they're under house arrest in the Lost Woods.

This is the only logical explanation for the dissapearance of Kokiri Forest in TP.

No, an alternative, and more likely, explanation is that we never visit there because we have no reason to.

Btw, at least I'm providing some sort of proof that I'm right. Where's your counter-proof? All you're saying is that i'm wrong, but I don't see anything that proves me wrong.

By removing the validity of your evidence I destabilise your theory, and seem to be doing a fair job considering you haven't addressed any worthy similarities between the Deku Tree and Forest Temple.

Alternately, Kokiri forest didn't disappear, but outsiders can't enter it. Recall that the only Hylian ever to enter it in OoT was Link. Everybody else gets lost in the Lost Woods. Maybe the legend about people turning into Stalfos is true.

Originally Posted by Eternal Legend

I really doubt that Fado from TP is a Kokiri.

Because for one, ****! Look at his height compared to the rest of the Kokiri race in the past!

If kokiri can become monkey why not a handsome and sexy brokeback mountain guy?.

I made the forest temple from Oot and the Tot from TP connection even while I was playing that part of the game, I sure wished when you went back in time you got to see that old forest castle thing in it's glory so we could finally figure out what it WAS, that part of Oot is one of my favorites, the ruins, the music, the mystery of it all...

But instead we got the Tot which we know a lot about (except the secret passage in the window!)