Geography or the AoL BS?

It is still a potential outcome though. You can't disregard it because it will help us...
This is theorising. Evidence was used to show a possible outcome to a very vague scenario, and since there is no better alternative, it is the "best" idea.

It's just too vague.

A king wishes on the Triforce that two kids will have a bright future.

A king writes in a scroll that he hopes someone will become a light of hope for Hyrule after getting the Triforce.

See what I mean? There's absolutely nothing there. Just because we have a king, the Triforce, and brightness/light in both scenarios doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions about them. A bright future is a future that looks good. A light of hope is something that people can look too for encouragement and that gives them hope. If stuff like this is being seen as connections, I might just quit theorizing for good this time.

^I agree.

It is extremely vague and barely held onto by a tiny quote which only from a certain point of view actually implies anything.

But it is still a connection nonetheless. Do you have a better alternative?
It may be vague, but it still fits. And that's good enough in my books, espicially in theorising where there are heaps of vague connections.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

But not in FSA.

Yes in FSA...
Just not in the same proportions as we see it in FS and TMC. But we know it's supposed to be the same thing.

The thing is, in FSA, we see Death Mountain, then plain land, then an ocean, then mountains in islands again. In TMC, we see Mt. Crenel, then plain land, then something that could be a large body of water, then mountains...

Maō fits Ganon in all games, because it means demon king. Daimaou is a title established at a specific time, seemingly when Ganon took the Triforce of Power, as is Yami no Maou, seemingly related to Ganon's revival in OoX and/or possession of the trident.

Exacept for the fact that Ganon is not called just Maō in any game. Daimaō is simply Big Maō, or Great Maō. It is not an specific title. We never hear about the reason why Ganon is a daimaō, he is just called so in many games. Yami no Maō, on the other hand, is said to be the title of the wielder of the trident...

And in at least one (two) game, he is known as both Daimaō and Yami no Maō...

ALttP has... art style.

LttP/LA has

-art style
-a Ganon with the trident before FSA was released, therefore, before the trident had any BS.
-A talking triforce that is depicted exactly the same way
-enemies
-the same engine
-the cane of somaria
-the master sword
-an eye symbol that is not there for LoZ/AoL

and this is pretty much all I can think about right now

But that's beside the point, as I claim it was adjacent to ALttP in the timeline when it was made anyway.

Fair enough.
I just think that these connections are solid enough not to be broken so easily.
For example, if the AT was OoT-LoZ/AoL-OoX-LttP/LA, and they wanted to make the FS subseries to fit in between OoX and LttP, why not use the very same art style used in those games, not to weaken the connection?

Debatably on the boxes; what promotional material?

I'll try to find everything and post here...

Anything story-related, or just the art style?

The trident is probably the main argument. Considering FSA had not been released yet, we had Ganon ressurecting with the trident in OoX.

And I doubt that they were planning on making OoX the birth of the trident before the trident BS was created...

Also, the cane of somaria, the MS and the Mirror Shield....

Yes; we don't have Japanese translations of the GBA version.

Why not?

The Legend of the Fairy says otherwise. ;D

Yes, it says "EASTER EGG, you morons!!" right into our faces.

There was an interview with Miyamoto and Aonuma at the time of TWW, where they made sure to say that TWW came afer the Adult Part of OoT...

LttP/LA has

-art style
-a Ganon with the trident before FSA was released, therefore, before the trident had any BS.
-A talking triforce that is depicted exactly the same way
-enemies
-the same engine
-the cane of somaria
-the master sword
-an eye symbol that is not there for LoZ/AoL

The GBA LttP art style is the same as OoX art style. LA is different from both of them.
OoX/LA has
-A Ganon with the trident, too.
-I don't remember a talking Triforce in LA. But OoX has that, anyway.
-OoX-LA has many more enemies.
-Huh. I don't remember the Cane of Somaria in LA... well it was in OoX, too.
-Yup got the MS.
-I think Erimgard just discovered that exact same eye symbol in OoX.

There was an interview with Miyamoto and Aonuma at the time of TWW, where they made sure to say that TWW came afer the Adult Part of OoT...

I could get the exact quote for you if you want.

And in at least one (two) game, he is known as both Daimaō and Yami no Maō...

Also remember that no one called Ganon a Yami no Maou. But he knew he was a Yami no Maou. Which I think does kinda hint for LttP-OoX.
But if someone wants to think that he made his title randomly on the spot then... well I guess there isn't anything wrong with that. Even though having an explanation is better.

He didn't make it up randomly on the spot.
FSA says the Trident was "born from Darkness", it can bestow the powers of darkness,Veran lights her flame by spreading sorrow and darkness....so um, how is Ganon [who was likely resurrected at the same time as the Trident's birth in OoX] being called "King of Darkness" random?

The dark resurrection ritual gave him that name, not his randomness.

^Ok I can buy that explanation. Ollathir (I think) said that Ganon just made up the title randomly on the spot. Which I disagreed with.

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

The GBA LttP art style is the same as OoX art style. LA is different from both of them.
OoX/LA has
-A Ganon with the trident, too.
-I don't remember a talking Triforce in LA. But OoX has that, anyway.
-OoX-LA has many more enemies.
-Huh. I don't remember the Cane of Somaria in LA... well it was in OoX, too.
-Yup got the MS.
-I think Erimgard just discovered that exact same eye symbol in OoX.

You didn't get what I meant. I was defending LttP/LA-OoX in contrast to LoZ/AoL-OoX. So I was listing similarities bewteen OoX and LttP/LA, not between LttP and LA...

I could get the exact quote for you if you want.

It is in Zelda Legends. I found it the other day. i'm just too lazy to go get it
If you want though, be my guest to post it...

Also remember that no one called Ganon a Yami no Maou. But he knew he was a Yami no Maou. Which I think does kinda hint for LttP-OoX.
But if someone wants to think that he made his title randomly on the spot then... well I guess there isn't anything wrong with that. Even though having an explanation is better.

makes sense...

Originally Posted by Erimgard

He didn't make it up randomly on the spot.
FSA says the Trident was "born from Darkness", it can bestow the powers of darkness,Veran lights her flame by spreading sorrow and darkness....so um, how is Ganon [who was likely resurrected at the same time as the Trident's birth in OoX] being called "King of Darkness" random?

We don't really see the trident's "birth" in OoX. It just appears together with Ganon...

The dark resurrection ritual gave him that name, not his randomness.

Or the trident, which makes more sense IMO...

You didn't get what I meant. I was defending LttP/LA-OoX in contrast to LoZ/AoL-OoX. So I was listing similarities bewteen OoX and LttP/LA, not between LttP and LA...

I couldn't tell because you didn't list it as LttP/LA-OoX. Just LttP/LA.

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

I couldn't tell because you didn't list it as LttP/LA-OoX. Just LttP/LA.

I know. Sorry for that...

^I have to ask, though. How do the OoX/LA connections work in your timeline with OoX after LA?

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

^I have to ask, though. How do the OoX/LA connections work in your timeline with OoX after LA?

The same way TMC:FSA connections work, even though it is not the same hero in those games.

The only connections I can think between OoX and LA are enemies, the engine, similar artwork and the state of the world. That's too much evidence to ignore, but it doesn't really serve to prove either OoX/LA or LA-OoX... Both work pretty well in my opinion...

But the only reason enemies work as evidence is because it is a dream that includes things from LA Link's life. Not because they are close to each other.

Which is why the insane amount of exclusive enemies for OoX-LA is just way too much to ignore.

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

But the only reason enemies work as evidence is because it is a dream that includes things from LA Link's life. Not because they are close to each other.

Not really. Even though it might have been Link's dream too, it was the Wind Fish that was the deity capable of shaping the island, so, as long as the enemies existed already, they could have been known to the Wind Fish

Also, enemies work as evidence the same way they do for TWW---TMC. They are exactly the same in OoX and LA, meaning those games are close in the timeline, not necesserily featuring the same hero...

Which is why the insane amount of exclusive enemies for OoX-LA is just way too much to ignore.

I know, i'm not ignoring it...
But again, the insane amount of similarities between OoX and LttP; and for LttP and LA is also way too much to ignore just because of an uninportant trident...

The Trident not important? Ha. So FSA was making up a load of **** when they decided to give it a backstory I suppose? You make me laugh sometimes Smertios.

Originally Posted by Viral

The Trident not important? Ha. So FSA was making up a load of **** when they decided to give it a backstory I suppose? You make me laugh sometimes Smertios.

Unimportant in OoX! Go read the text dumps. If you find only one single reference to the trident I'll take that back.

It is also not important in LttP either. It is important only in FSA, because it tells the story of how Ganon got the trident. Which means that all games with the trident should come after FSA.

Let's annalyse only the games in which the trident appear: OoX, FSA and LttP. You can't deny that FSA-LttP-OoX makes much more sense for Ganon than OoX-FSA-LttP.

You seem to believe that just because they gave a backstory to the trident in FSA there should be a game in which it happens. I'll be sincere that I never heard something more terrible coming from a veteran theorist. They also gave a backstory to the OoW in TMC. In which game do we see the Wind Tribe create it? Also, in FS, they mention a time in which Vaati started kidnapping maidens. Tell me, where did you see that? And how about the sleeping princess story? It is way more important than the trident to the overall storyline. So tell me, in which game did you see it happening?

It tells the story of how a Ganondorf claimed the Trident. However, it also tells us that the Trident was born from darkness and that it was used by a demon. I'm sure that it is referring to a previous incarnation of Ganon. Now, what game fits well before FSA, and features Ganon, as well as the Trident, where the Trident suddenly appears asif it was born from darkness....

HEY, THAT'S OoX!

Originally Posted by Viral

It tells the story of how a Ganondorf claimed the Trident.

Exactly. Who has it in LttP and OoX, again? I could swear it was Ganon؟

However, it also tells us that the Trident was born from darkness and that it was used by a demon.

Yes, this demon is never called 'Ganon' in any point... We can't say that it was Ganon because we don't have enough evidence for that. It is like with the Hero of Men. Some would say he was a previous Link, some would say he wasn't, but we can't prove any of those.

I'm sure that it is referring to a previous incarnation of Ganon.

Then you are biased, because there is absolutely no proof for that.

Now, what game fits well before FSA, and features Ganon

Exept for the fact that Ganon from FSA looks exactly like the one from OoX, so they are hardly meant to be two different incarnations, even if one was born before FSA...

as well as the Trident

A trident that we know Ganon got only in FSA, considering it is just an assumption to say that the demon spoken in FSA was a previous Ganon...

where the Trident suddenly appears asif it was born from darkness....

No, no, no, no, no, no, no....

The trident appears after Ganon goes get him somewhere. There is absolutely nothing hinting it was its creation.

As for the darkness, I'll have to recheck it later, but after a quick search through the text dumps of OoA, OoS and FSA today i got to the conclusion that it is a different type of darkness. I'll get to that later today...

HEY, THAT'S OoX!

So, let's see.
OoX tells the story of how a Yami no Maō Ganon (with the trident) was ressurected after being killed in Hyrule. It also shows a talking triforce in the castle, hinting that it was put there after being retrieved in a game in which it is able to speak too.

OH, WAIT. THAT'S LTTP!!!

Uh, if the Triforce can talk in one game, then it probably can in any game.
I don't think "talking Triforce" can be used as a valid timeline placement

You can't deny that FSA-LttP-OoX makes much more sense for Ganon than OoX-FSA-LttP.

Yes, I can.