Theorists of ZU

Greetings, I am River Zora.

I've been playing Zelda since my mum bought me a GameBoy Color and a copy of DX.

I have been theorising and timelining for years, but have had a big break from the webspace over my A-level years. I am now at university about to start my third year, so this summer I thought I'd go through and complete all the games again and this set me onto Zelda Theory again.

I was a massive believer in single timeline theory before split timeline was confirmed, as such I expect every theory I make to have problems! But hopefully eventually I’ll get close!

Zelda games owned, how many platforms and completion status/times defeated:
LoZ: NES, GCN, GBA, WiiVC; 100%, completed 5-7 times
AoL: NES, GCN, GBA, WiiVC; 100%, got to T-Bird thrice, only recently beat it and Dark Link on GBA! The game in the series that makes you feel most hardcore!
aLttP: SNES, GBA, WiiVC; 100%, 10+ times
LA: GB, GBC; 100%, lost count, more times than any other game ever! My first one.
OoT: N64(Grey), N64(Gold), GCN(with tWW), GCN(CE), WiiVC; 100%, 7+ times
MM: N64, GCN; 100%, 20+ times, my favourite one!
OoA: GBC; 100%, 3x
OoS: GBC; 100%, 3x
FS: GBA; 90%, need to play more with people who still use GBAs/SPs!
tWW: GCN; 100%, 3x, though I only got all the figurines on the second quest...
tMC: GBA; 100%, 2x, only got the last couple of figurines and Kinstone fusions to 100% this month!
FSA: GCN; 100%, 2x
TP: Wii, GCN; 100%, 3x, I HATE POE SOULS!!! TOOK LONGER THAN KINSTONES! GAH!!!
PH: DS, 90%, 2x, I HATE MAZE ISLAND!!!.... still working on that...

My Timeline:
OoT-tWW/PH-tMC-FS/FSA-LoZ/AoL
OoT/MM-TP-OoA/OoS-aLttP/LA

Theories that I believe/like to believe that are either probably not true or at least never likely to be confirmed:
-The Minish are the Kokiri's form after Koroks and the Picori Blade is the Kokiri Sword.
-River Zoras are what the gods turned the Zoras that didn't agree to becoming Rito due to their impiety so they could not sink below the salt water of the Great Sea and disturb Hyrule.
-Termina is a purgatory-style afterlife that Hyruleans go to when they die and before they are re-incarnated.
-aLttP fits a lot better if it takes place in a third strand of the timeline- Adult if Link was not returned.
-The backstory of AoL is a description of the Hyrulean Civil War, the first war of the Triforce that took place a decade or so before OoT.
-The Wizard in said tale is one of the shadow tribe/dark interlopers that became the Twili, using the Fused Shadow to hide in the Prince's shadow to approach the Triforce (like Midna did in TP to Link)
-The Sheikah were of the same race as the shadow folk, but they did not betray the Royal Family. They were defeated all but one in the Civil War by their dark brethren.
-The Sheikah were named after their leader, Sheik, who led the army in the war. This historical figure is the identity Zelda chooses to take due to Impa teaching her the history of the shadow folk.
-All the original sages were Oocca- their part in 'creating' the Hylia was acting as the gods' messengers and helping to form the monarchy. Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of one of these sages, hence their fascination with owls.

That's about it!

Oh, and I'm British so I apologise for any unnecessary extra vowels we put in words, but I stand by using an 's' not a 'z' for 'ise' and 'ising' words! Also, interestingly, Minish Cap was released here before FSA, so whenever I list them or number them I swap the US order, it even swaps them on the European official Zelda.com!

Theorist Profile: Rajin(Mike)

History
I became interested in theorizing in 07 after my several month leave I began learning all there is to know about theorizing. After going the Humulation Army I began posting in this place mostly just a little blurb here and there nothing big. To this day I have never posted my own theory, and if I don't leave (for the 4th time) I might actually make one when the next game comes out. I haven't really posted much here since the days before Hombre and Erim were mods. I'm trying to post in here a little more often. So be on the look out for my posts.

Timeline

-----/TWW/PH - LoZ/AoL - OoX - TMC - FS/FSA - ALttP/LA
OoT
-----\MM - TP
I just go with the one everyone else uses

Awards
None

Theories
None

I FINALLY GOT BACK INTO THE THEORIZING FORUMS...

Anyways, my timeline is as follows:

THEORIST PROFILE: TUF PIC...

I'm in the minority here, in that I place most of the games on the CHILD TIMELINE, & that I think in some universes, ALL OF THE ZELDAS & LINKS ON THE CT ARE THE SAME... I hope no-one will *bash* me for saying that...

Timeline

-----/TWW/PH
-----/TMC - OoT
-----/-MM-ALTTPGBA/ALTTP-SC2-LADX/LA-AST-BSLOZ-AOL-OOX

Now, let me give you reasons why OOT-OOX LINK(S) CAN BE THE SAME, IN SOME REALITIES:

1) To those who use the uncle of ALTTPGBA/ALTTP Link(s) as an excuse to say that they ARE NOT THE SAME AS OOT LINK, let me point out the following: He is a Knight-of-Hyrule, & thus could easily have been fighting in the war @ the time of Link's birth, & thus it is safe to assume that OOT Link's mother would rather die herself than see her baby killed/injured in a war... So that logic has a BIG FLAW...

2) The geography wouldn't matter much, as that wouldn't pertain to whether it was/is the same Link or not, & even IF THAT WERE AN ISSUE, I could always point to...

Tectonic Plates, to solve that paradox!!

3) In BOTH OF THE COPIES I PLAYED OF ALTTPGBA, IT NEVER HINTED ONCE THAT ZELDA &/OR LINK INTRODUCED THEMSELVES, & there are a number of ways to explain that problem away...

4) We may NOT see Kokiri Forest ingame, but that's not to say it's NOT THERE!! Same with the Temple of Time...

5) The triforce pieces would NOT PROVE ANYTHING...

Show me your logic as to why they DO PROVE IT... I'll be glad to poke holes in that logic...

6) Ganon is the final boss for AST, so who's to say he can't be revived again fo BSLOZ?!

& the reason most of the games go on the CT is because Twinrova dies on the AT, & it would make MUCH MORE SENSE IF OOX WENT ON THE CT...

& you've only provided general statements, saying "it's more likely", & I'm asking "WHY/HOW IS IT MORE LIKELY"?!

EDIT: As for TP, I think it DOES NOT TAKE PLACE ON EITHER THE CT OR THE AT, but in a reality all by itself...

I mean, from what I've heard, it doesn't SPECIFICALLY MENTION OOT, so maybe it takes place in a parallel dimension, & that would make me feel MUCH BETTER!!

As for FS/FSA, I think it ALSO takes place in a parallel world to the CT/AT, because the storylines for Vaati in TMC & FS/FSA are SO contradictory to each-other!!

DOUBLE EDIT: As for actual evidence proving that in some realities OOT & ALTTP Link(s) are the same, well, in ALTTPSNES, it says 7 WISE MEN, & in contrast, ALTTPGBA says 7 SAGES, WHICH IS THE SAME AS OOT!!

I'd say that's pretty unarguable evidence that some of the characters in OOT were alive during the time of ALTTPGBA, & probably in BSLOZ/AOL, & possibly OOX... Which COULD INCLUDE LINK!!

AT LEAST IN SOME UNIVERSES!!

I'm new to this site (obviously) but I have done some theorizing by myself probably since TP came out. I'm still new to the concept, and I came here for a grander theorizing experience

My TL and gaming stats are in my sig. I'm fairly certain that FSA depicts the SW, but I am open to evidence otherwise.

I do believe that Ganon the beast and Ganondorf the man are two separate beings and that Ganondorf channels the spirit of the "great demon reborn" or however Zelda puts it.

That's all for me.

Hello! I am Gold Knight. While I have just joined, I am not new to ZU.

History:
I first got into Zelda when I borrowed Wind Waker in 2004. I did not beat the game then, and I realized I was missing something due to the references to Ocarina of Time in the game. I began theorizing shortly after Twilight Princess came out when I discovered that there were many connections between the games. I have been reading on the theorizing forums here for about a year, and I finally decided to join. Oh, and recently I finally bought and beat Wind Waker.

Current Timeline:
TWW/PH-(LoZ/AoL)-(OoX)-(TMC)-FS/FSA-ALttP/(OoX)/LA-(OoX)-(LoZ/AoL)
/
(TMC)-OoT
\
MM-TP
Yeah, I know it's a mess. http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/.../sweatdrop.gif I'm working on it though, and I'm sure it will become more specific as I play through the undecided games and as more games come out.

Zelda Resume:
LoZ: Level 8
AoL: Parappa Palace
ALttP: Beaten
LA: Beaten, working on 100%
OoT: Beaten, working on 100%
MM: Beaten
OoS: Don't have it
OoA: Don't have it
FS: Don't have it
TWW: Beaten, can't start second quest because of a scratch on the disk
FSA: Don't have it
TMC: Don't have it
TP: Beaten 100%
PH: Beaten, working on 100%

I don't really have any "out there" theories right now.

Hello! I am Gold Knight. While I have just joined, I am not new to ZU.

History:
I first got into Zelda when I borrowed Wind Waker in 2004. I did not beat the game then, and I realized I was missing something due to the references to Ocarina of Time in the game. I began theorizing shortly after Twilight Princess came out when I discovered that there were many connections between the games. I have been reading on the theorizing forums here for about a year, and I finally decided to join. Oh, and recently I finally bought and beat Wind Waker.

Current Timeline:
TWW/PH-(LoZ/AoL)-(OoX)-(TMC)-FS/FSA-ALttP/(OoX)/LA-(OoX)-(LoZ/AoL)
/
(TMC)-OoT
\
MM-TP
Yeah, I know it's a mess. I'm working on it though, and I'm sure it will become more specific as I play through the undecided games and as more games come out.

Zelda Resume:
LoZ: Beaten 100%, working on Second Quest
AoL: Maze Palace
ALttP: Beaten
LA: Beaten, working on 100%
OoT: Beaten, working on 100%
MM: Beaten
OoS: Don't have it
OoA: Don't have it
FS: Don't have it
TWW: Beaten, working on Second Quest
FSA: Don't have it
TMC: Beaten, working on 100%
TP: Beaten 100%
PH: Beaten, working on 100%

Theories:
Ocarina of Time is the Seal War

Edit:
Sorry. Didn't mean to double post. I had a problem with the smilie

DOUBLE C
Aliases: Caulaincourt, Double Cookie, Pinecove's Bane, ZU's Safari King

Joined ZU in August 2008 as "Caulaincourt" having found the site in my search for inspiration for my Zelda Fan-Fiction. After the beginning of classes I did not return to ZU until Christmas vacation when I had time to think about my Fan-Fiction again. Between January and March I was rather active on the theorizing board. My account went AWOL and I began my new life as Double C. I left ZU soon after and returned in late June 2009 as I attempted to create a Zelda fan-game with an rpg maker program.
Though I have been theorizing a while, my timeline has barely changed since I joined.


My Timeline:

Upon joining ZU, August 2008
OoT-WW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-ALTTP/LA-OOX-LoZ/AoL
/MM-TP

Changed to this October 2nd 2009
OoT-WW/PH(-TMC-FS/FSA(-ALTTP(/LA)((-/)OOX(/LA))(-LoZ/AoL(-OOX)))
/MM-TP(-TMC-FS/FSA(-ALTTP(/LA)((-/)OOX(/LA))(-LoZ/AoL(-OOX)))

*As far as OOX and LoZ/AoL are concerned, their placement is merely the one I think most probable, though I could see myself one day being swayed into placing them before TMC.


I consider geography to be one of the more important factors to take into consideration when making a timeline. People can lie and be wrong, words have interpretations, but the land is static and cannot significantly change (unless by divine intervention) in less than millions of years.

I consider in-game backgrounds in the 2D games to be non-canon.

Geographically, I believe there are two different Hyrules with notable differences. There is OoT/TP Hyrule whose maps are near identical with the inconsistencies irrelevant in the face of their confirmed sequence.
There is also TMC/FSA/ALTTP Hyrule. All three feature a southern marshland, absent in OoT/TP and FSA/ALTTP have the Lost Woods to the north-west. I believe TMC Hyrule to be within the map of FSA/ALTTP Hyrule because 1) it fits, 2) the kingdom could have grown with time and 3) the areas outside those explorable in TMC were irrelevant to it's plot and thus making those parts of Hyrule explorable would have been redundant. There are other map similarities between TMC/FSA/ALTTP that are not shared with OoT/TP but I will not elaborate on them here.

The flood of the WW's backstory provides a mechanic for the geographical changes, a concept reinforced by FSA's insular Hyrule.

I would say ALTTP Link took the triforce and gave it to the Royal Family, which sets the stage for both OOX and LoZ/AoL.

There are two completely separate Ganons in my timeline. The second one is blue Ganon which first appeared and was sealed in FSA, escapes and is killed in ALTTP , is resurrected in OOX and is killed once more in LoZ (or mysteriously reappears in LoZ, dies and then is resurected in OOX)

A notable flaw in my timeline is the sleeping Zelda story and the post-flood Master Sword. However the sleeping princess story can be made to function with some creative interpretation. This theory was developed by Lex/Seran I believe and any questions about it should be directed at him.

If the developers were ever to say that their timeline wasn't limited by geography I would switch to a Child Timeline due to the Master Sword.

Games:
LoZ-beaten (gameshark)
AoL-beaten (gameshark)
ALTTP-beaten (possibly 100%, not sure)
LA-beaten (gameshark)
OoT-beat the Spirit Temple, not the Shadow Temple
MM-beaten 110%
OOX-beaten 110%
WW-beaten 100%
FSA-beaten 100%
TMC-beaten (don't have all the figurines and kinstone fusions, frankly because they are boring excuses for side-quests.)
TP-beaten 100%
PH- I did not like the stylus. Not at all. Made it to the doorstep of dungeon #1

Theorists Profile:Farore-rocks333

History:
Ive been on ZU for a while but never too big in this section. I mostly stayed in General Zelda and General Discussion. About a week ago I choose to start this whole Zelda Theorizing thing out. I just finished my first timeline!

My Timeline:

.................../WW-PH-OoS-OoA-MC-ALttP-LA-FS-FSA-LoZ-AoL
...........OoT
...................\ MM-TP
Obviously the timeline splits one time. The CT is quite standard. The AT is nothing too crazy. This timeline is bound to change over time. Write on my wall or PM me if i have something totally wrong. I may get around to fully explaining this tiemline later but right now i dont feel like writing a long post.

Zelda Games Played
LoZ-About half way through. Working on it.
AoL-Im gonna do this one last.
ALttP-Beaten
LA-Half way through. Working on it.
OoT-Beaten 4 times. Only game I have done a 3 heart run for. So far...
MM-Beaten Twice
OoX-Have not started.
FS-Half way through
FSA-Havent started.
WW-Half way through.
MC-Beaten
TP-Beaten 3 times.
PH-Beaten twice.

Ill update this page later on today or tommorow with my Zelda Beliefs!

Theorist Profile: ríomhaire (Cathal)

History
Been playing Zelda since I got a Gameboy Colour and have loved the series since. I joined this site two years ago after having played OoT and MM for the first time (what took me so long?). I quickly left again though. Now that I've finally gotten a Wii I can enjoy the Zeldas that I've missed out on. In celebration I came back here and started theorizing like mad!

Games completed:

• The Minish Cap
• Ocarina of Time
• The Wind Waker
• Phantom Hourglass
• Majora's Mask
• A Link to the Past
• Link's Awakening
• Ancient Stone Tablets
• Oracle of Ages

Timeline

           tWW -- PH
          /
tMC -- OoT
          \
           MM -- TP -- FS / FSA -- ALttP / AST / LA -- tLoZ tAoL -- OoX

In depth timeline
Pre-The Minish Cap

• Hyrule is founded/created by the Goddesses.
• A desert tribe (The ancestors of the Zuma from FSA), who will be refered to as the Dark Tribe from now on, jealous of Hyrule's vibrant lands, build the Pyramid seen in FSA and create the Trident, which has the soul of a demon king locked inside of it.
• The Dark Tribe invades Hyrule.
• The Picori (possibly sent by the Goddesses) created the Picori Sword which the first Link uses to fight the Dark Tribe back to their homeland.
• As punishment the sages of Hyrule locked the Dark Tribe in the Twilight Mirror.

So the Dark Tribe mentioned in FSA are the Twili who invaded Hyrule in tMC backstory.

The Minish Cap

• This game features the second Link and the first Link to wear a sock-cap.
• The Light Force may be related to the Triforce in some way. It doesn't matter too much.
• There is a lot more magic in Hyrule in this game (the Kinstones are a common magic used by everyone and all the human characters are Hylians) as it is a younger Hyrule. As Hyrule grows older, magic is less and less ordinary.
• Vaati is sealed away in the Four Sword at the end and people mostly forget about his brief reign of terror over the years (after all, everything he did was reversed by Zelda so it's not as if he had much of an impact on the state of Hyrule). The events of the game eventually become a legend about an insignificant wind mage and everyone forgets that the Picori ever existed.

Ocarina of Time

• Ocarina of Time shows the third Link.
• Ganondorf's motivation is similar to that of the Dark Tribe; jealousy of Hyrule's fertile soil.
• When Zelda sends Link back in time he is able to warn of Ganondorf's intentions and Ganondorf is prevented from conquering Hyrule. He does however, destroy the Temple of Time before he is captured and sealed in the Twilight Realm.
• The Trifroce remains in the Sacred Realm and the Master Sword remains in the Temple of Time.

Majora's Mask

• Seeing as this is really a side-story there's nothing I can say but I do find the Tower of Babel theory interesting.

Twilight Princess

• This is the fourth Link.
• Link kills Ganondorf with the Master Sword.
• The sages/Zelda take the three pieces of the Triforce and return them to the Sacred Realm.

Four Swords

• The fifth Link, descended from The Minish Cap Link and unrelated to the Hero of Time or the Hero of Twilight, is split into four and then seals Vaati back in the Four Sword.

Four Swords Adventures

• The same Link as Four Swords.
• The second Ganondorf takes up the Trident, which contains the power of a demon king. He tranforms into the pig demon we all know and love.
• Ganon is sealed in the Four Sword. Seeing as the Four Sword didn't hold Vaati, and Ganon is even more powerful than him, it is decided to seal the Four Sword away in the Sacred Realm for extra secuirity. My more fan-ficy explaination is that Ganon uses is magic to bring the Four Sword to the FSA Dark World and then, as the Dark World and Sacred Realm are both magical realms they are more easily manipulated and Ganon merges the two worlds together, giving the ALttP Dark World. This theory is more for fun than for serious timeline debating though.

A Link to the Past

• Sixth Link.
• The Sealing War in the backstory for this game is a legend that is a mixture of the events of Twilight Princess and Four Swords Adventures.
• Agahnim (A Dark Tribe priest, possibly the spirit of the previous wielder of the Trident) is sent by Ganon as an avatar to Hyrule in order to break the seal to the Sacred Realm.
• Link then kills Ganon, or at least destroys his body. Ganon's essence is preserved.
• The Triforce is removed from the Sacred Realm and housed in Hyrule instead. The Sacred Realm, no longer serving a purpose, ceases to be.

Link's Awakening

• Nothing much to say on this. Link goes sailing and falls asleep inside a whale...

Ancient Stone Tablets

• While Link is sleeping with a whale Ganon's essence tries to take form and take over Hyrule again. The Hero of Light steps in to save the day.

The Legend of Zelda

• We're on to the seventh Link now.
• Rather a lot of time has passed between this game and A Link to the Past (enough for Hyrule to become the huge empire seen in The Adventure of Link). Ganon's spirit form is able to take shape again, possibly through his followers getting the Triforce of Power to him, or maybe just by having his strength grow over time.
• I don't think I really need to elaborate on this.
• Ganon's body is destroyed again and his essence is made more weak than ever.

The Adventure of Link

• Nothing really to expand upon here except that it is Twinrova who plan on using Link's blood to bring Ganon's body back to life.
• After Link retrieves the Triforce of Courage the complete Triforce is returned to Hyrule Castle.

Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons

• The eight and final Link is featured.
• Twinrova try to bring Ganon back to life again, this time with Zelda's blood.
• Labrynna is the original home of the Zora, they travelled from there to Hyrule with a young Jabu-Jabu. When Jabu-Jabu matured they returned to Labrynna.
• Ganon's body is destroyed again. He probably doesn't have anyone left who would want to try and revive him though.

I am obviously new and i have not really played more than past the GBA games
/tWW- PH -ST
OoT
\-MM-TP

Timeline:
I know the Timeline is important kinda, but I could really care less, I Theorize about games one at a time. The only timeline I care about is the OoT split and I believe all games came after it, and none of this TMC came first stuff. There is more evidence towards it being afterwards than before. Another reason I don't have one is I believe I can't have one until I've played ALL the games, in which I haven't played LoZ, AoL, OoX, and I never got a bunch of people together in order to play FS (not FSA, I have played that). So in conclusion, the only thing I care about is:

WW-PH
|
OoT
|
MM-TP

Anything else I don't care much about.

Threads, Articles, Theories:

Thats all I care about too. Only 3d games.

From what I can see, this is the most common thing of timelines.

----- WW/PH
----/
---OoT
----\
----- MM TP

I think this is pretty much the basis of timelines. OT seperating the adult timeline and child timeline. We all know for sure that MM and TP are on the child timeline, and WW and PH are on the Adult timeline. No other games are 100 percent concrete onto one side, nor are any other games concrete to be before OoT. Why people dont just start a timeline with these simple facts confuses me entirely.

Hello, world! I am Fitoleon!

ZELDA HISTORY:
My first ever Zelda game was A Link to the Past/Four Swords for GBA. After years of hiatus, one day I thought to myself, "I wonder what new Zelda game is coming out" and happened to stumble upon the "Chronology" section of The Legend of Zelda (series) article on Wikipedia. After reading it, I thought "Pft! I could do that!" and I've been theorizing ever since.

TIMELINE:
AT:OoT-------WW/PH--ST--TMC--FS/FSA--LoZ/AoL
CT:OoT/MM--TP/LCT-------------------------ALttP/LA--OoX
Arguably Canon
Presumed Timeline Placement (Game Not Yet Released)

VIEW POINTS OF CONTROVERSY:
(Please note that this is not sorted in any way, shape, or form)
-The Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time
-The figure in the Zelda Wii art could be the Master Sword, though it's too soon to tell.
-A third (fourth, fifth, sixth, ect.) timeline branch can exist, though there is absolutely no proof for it at all.
-Tectonic plates and unproven floods/earthquakes/other "natural" occurrences are no reason to explain the change of Hyrule's geography.
-In the end of ALttP, Link did not wish that the events of ALttP never happened, rather, he wished that everyone negatively affected by Ganon be relieved of their burdens.
-The backstory of ALttP is not the Seal War of OoT, but rather the Hyrulean Civil War before OoT.
-For every time that Link goes back in time using the Song of Time in MM, it creates another timeline branch in which Termina is destroyed. Time does continue to flow from it, but the only relevant timeline branch is that in which Link saves Termina.

ZELDA GAMES PLAYED
The Legend of Zelda: 1st Quest- 100% 2nd Quest- Haven't started yet
The Adventure of Link: In Progress
A Link to the Past: 100%
Link's Awakening: Don't own it
Ocarina of Time: 100%
Majora's Mask: 100%
Oracle of Ages: Don't own it
Oracle of Seasons: Don't own it
Four Swords: Don't have anyone to connect with
The Wind Waker: Don't own it (please don't sue me)
Four Swords Adventures: Don't own it
The Minish Cap: 100%
Twilight Princess: Don't own it (please don't sue me)
Phantom Hourglass: Don't own it

Hello. I am Zeldaduderox, or my upside-down name which I do not really refer to myself as that much. I am the creator of alot of popular theories (Including Fierce Deity, The Undead, Zeldaduderox's LEGIT timeline for 2009 (Which I totally regret now), and Timelines: Is there even an adult and child timeline?)

My personal timeline:

.........MM--TP--LoZ--AoL
OoT
........MM--WW--PH--OoX--MC--FS/FSA--ALttP--LA

Or alternatively (Not as likely though) :

.........--MM--TP--LoZ--AoL
OoT--ALttP--LA
.........--MM--WW--PH--OoX--MC--FS/FSA

I am the creator of the double MM theory. Note that the timelines above do not apply to the paradox at the end of OoT.

Hello I'm Arceus. I've been theorizing only a few months and decided to post here.
AT:TMC-FS/FSA-OoT-WW/PH-BSLoZ/LoZ/AoL
CT:TMC-FS/FSA-OoT/MM-TP-OOX-ALttP/AST/LA

Yo sup, I'm Watties, previously known as LaZD (Link and Zelda Dude). I always had the little freewebs site, voted best freewebs site. I've beaten all the Zelda games, and have a timeline in my head but don't really want to release it, as I'm even still finding problems with it. I've always liked a linear timeline more, and think it could still technically make sense, but that isn't the case anymore. I've always thought of the double ALttP theory sense the split was first invented, more just out of determination to make my favorite game first. So, Hombre, your not the only one coming up with incredible ideas like that. I think the majority of retcons are for fags, but they can, and with how much Nintendo changes everything, some kind of have to happen. I like a single Ganon more than anything, but the seems to not be the case any longer. I still can see it making sense. My favorite band is Metallica, my favorite song being No Leaf Clover. My favorite show is... the Zelda one, but if we're being more serious and not just nostalgic, then Jericho. I'm Watties, and my catch phrase is to inappropriate for the forums. A LINK TO THE PAST IS THE BEST GAME EVER.

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

I FINALLY GOT BACK INTO THE THEORIZING FORUMS...

Anyways, my timeline is as follows:

THEORIST PROFILE: TUF PIC...

I'm in the minority here, in that I place most of the games on the CHILD TIMELINE, & that I think in some universes, ALL OF THE ZELDAS & LINKS ON THE CT ARE THE SAME... I hope no-one will *bash* me for saying that...

Timeline

-----/TWW/PH
-----/TMC - OoT
-----/-MM-ALTTPGBA/ALTTP-SC2-LADX/LA-AST-BSLOZ-AOL-OOX

Now, let me give you reasons why OOT-OOX LINK(S) CAN BE THE SAME, IN SOME REALITIES:

1) To those who use the uncle of ALTTPGBA/ALTTP Link(s) as an excuse to say that they ARE NOT THE SAME AS OOT LINK, let me point out the following: He is a Knight-of-Hyrule, & thus could easily have been fighting in the war @ the time of Link's birth, & thus it is safe to assume that OOT Link's mother would rather die herself than see her baby killed/injured in a war... So that logic has a BIG FLAW...

2) The geography wouldn't matter much, as that wouldn't pertain to whether it was/is the same Link or not, & even IF THAT WERE AN ISSUE, I could always point to...

Tectonic Plates, to solve that paradox!!

3) In BOTH OF THE COPIES I PLAYED OF ALTTPGBA, IT NEVER HINTED ONCE THAT ZELDA &/OR LINK INTRODUCED THEMSELVES, & there are a number of ways to explain that problem away...

4) We may NOT see Kokiri Forest ingame, but that's not to say it's NOT THERE!! Same with the Temple of Time...

5) The triforce pieces would NOT PROVE ANYTHING...

Show me your logic as to why they DO PROVE IT... I'll be glad to poke holes in that logic...

6) Ganon is the final boss for AST, so who's to say he can't be revived again fo BSLOZ?!

& the reason most of the games go on the CT is because Twinrova dies on the AT, & it would make MUCH MORE SENSE IF OOX WENT ON THE CT...

& you've only provided general statements, saying "it's more likely", & I'm asking "WHY/HOW IS IT MORE LIKELY"?!

EDIT: As for TP, I think it DOES NOT TAKE PLACE ON EITHER THE CT OR THE AT, but in a reality all by itself...

I mean, from what I've heard, it doesn't SPECIFICALLY MENTION OOT, so maybe it takes place in a parallel dimension, & that would make me feel MUCH BETTER!!

As for FS/FSA, I think it ALSO takes place in a parallel world to the CT/AT, because the storylines for Vaati in TMC & FS/FSA are SO contradictory to each-other!!

DOUBLE EDIT: As for actual evidence proving that in some realities OOT & ALTTP Link(s) are the same, well, in ALTTPSNES, it says 7 WISE MEN, & in contrast, ALTTPGBA says 7 SAGES, WHICH IS THE SAME AS OOT!!

I'd say that's pretty unarguable evidence that some of the characters in OOT were alive during the time of ALTTPGBA, & probably in BSLOZ/AOL, & possibly OOX... Which COULD INCLUDE LINK!!

AT LEAST IN SOME UNIVERSES!!

Since TMC features MANY RE-USED elements/characters, & since FSA features none, maybe I'll just reverse their places in my theory, & place TMC in a parallel universe, & FSA somewhere on the CT!!

But otherwise, I'd say I have a solid timeline!!

As for proof that OOT &/or ALTTP Links(s) are in BSZ, well...

Originally Posted by Princess Zelda @ contacting the Heroine/Hero via telepathy

I am Princess Zelda. I've been trapped in a dungeon by evil power. Hero, hurry and rise! Hyrule! Hyrule is in danger!

Why place that quote in there, if they did not intend for OOT &/or ALTTP Link(s) to be in the game, because it negates the annoyingly popular CALATIA IDEA, or any idea like it, & if they were just trying to make it easier on themselves, then why not do that in AST, which was released AFTERWARDS ANYWAYS, & either of the earlier Link(s) have heard the telepathic message before anyways...

Hello, ZU. I'm UltraLight. Check my avatar out.

*Boos* Oh ♥♥♥♥, a lame intro...

I'm not actually a theorist; I listen to people's theories and ponder over them. Any theories that have ever occurred to me in the past has already been mentioned before, so I'm quite useless here.

Zelda Games:
OOT: 100%
OOT MQ: At Gerudo Fortress
MM: 100%
MC: 100%
TP: 100%
WW: 100%

Threads:

I started a thread about Ocarinahero's timeline, yet it recieved a lot of hate to my surprise. I followed his theory for a while, looking for any mistakes and then found one: There was a serious problem with ALLTP's placement. So I've abandon that. I'm looking for another timeline to follow.

Other then that, I've found a really nice dance remix for the Deku Palace, check it out on the N64 section.