I'm a new guy here who has some questions and theories

OK, so how do I begin? With the timeline I personally thought that A Link to the Past may occur after Twilight Princess since both the games were so similar (my idea of the order of the 2D Zelda games up to the Oracles games has traditionally been AlttP - OoA/OoS - LA - LoZ - AoL) with some people debating over which timeline this set of games occured in, I also considered the possibility that they may even occur in a third timeline after Ocarina of Time although I'm still leaning toward my earlier theory. I also have found the games in the Four Swords Trilogy to be really tricky for placing in a timeline, so I have thought that they may occur in their own timeline.

This is what I've got right now...

MM - TP - AlttP - OoA/OoS - LA - LoZ - AoL
/
OoT
\
WW - PH

Please note that I have not really decided which Oracle game occurs first.

I actually once came up with a crazy theory that the games in the Four Swords Trilogy were the product of another split timeline that occured due to the events in Oracle of Ages; some monsters in the past would decide to invade Hyrule after leaving Labyrnna which would lead to the backstory of Minish Cap. I definetely have some more theories on me.

the #1 problem I see with this is how LttP can be on the CT.

the SW must have happened, which is generally agreed to be OoT's adult ending, for LttP to take place. Also the geography and the "Master Swors sleeps forever" are against you.

also welcome to theorizing!

I don't see a problem with having AlttP on the CT, wasn't it for the FS Saga which most likely happenes on the Adult Timeline. If you've played FSA, you'll see that the best place for the trilogy to occur, is before ALttP.

My problem with the Seal War story in ALttP is that it is inconsistant. It is, IMO, not enough to disprove a CT placement.

Well, apart from a few differences, you've the same timeline as a few of the theorists around here.

In Four Swords Adventures, the resemblance to A Link To The Past is uncanny. That ALTTP follows that game can be easily imagined and there's a notable amount of evidence.

Also, the whole Four Swords trilogy has many resemblances with Wind Waker / Phantom Hourglass in art and enemies, as well as some WW references in The Minish Cap. This leads me, and Smertios, to believe that the Four Sword arc takes place after WW.

So basically, the difference between your timeline and mine is basically your ALTTP-AOL arc in the CT and the absence of the Four Sword arc.

A good first timeline. It would be good if you posted what games you have played so that other theorists can adequately explain their views in relation to what you do or don't know.

This leads me, and Smertios

And everyone else.....

Since everyone mostly has this topic covered...

AlttP - OoA/OoS - LA

That's impossible.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

That's impossible.

Impossible is a big word, especially in this context and coming from someone who deems AST non-canon.

Hardy har.

What does AST have to do with this?

ALttP-OoX doesn't work for a simple reason-Ganon's titles.

In AlttP Ganon is a Yami no maou
In OoX he is revived as a daimaou then proclaims himslef a Yami no maou for he first time.....you see where I'm going with this.

ALttP-OoX is absolutely screwed up.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

Hardy har.

What does AST have to do with this?

ALttP-OoX doesn't work for a simple reason-Ganon's titles.

In AlttP Ganon is a Yami no maou
In OoX he is revived as a daimaou then proclaims himslef a Yami no maou for he first time.....you see where I'm going with this.

ALttP-OoX is absolutely screwed up.

AST is relevent in so far that it gives trouble to ALttP-OoX-LA, because of the short time span between ALttP and AST, and possible conflicting Ganon issues (like two very close revivals).
Anyway I never bothered much with Ganons titles, since I am not sure that their use by the developers is consisten. But I guessyou have a point.
You just tend to overdramatize things. :p Impossible sounds like there is absolute indebatable and obvious proof against it.
Btw I'm not supporting ALttP-OoX-LA, I just don't like how quickly some things are discarded these days.

AST is relevent in so far that it gives trouble to ALttP-OoX-LA, because of the short time span between ALttP and AST, and possible conflicting Ganon issues (like two very close revivals).
Anyway I never bothered much with Ganons titles, since I am not sure that their use by the developers is consisten. But I guessyou have a point.
You just tend to overdramatize things. :p Impossible sounds like there is absolute indebatable and obvious proof against it.
Btw I'm not supporting ALttP-OoX-LA, I just don't like how quickly some things are discarded these days.

I consider AST semi Canon.

First off, Ganon's titles... He's one thing in ALttP, then he's something else in OoX... so...????

If he can change his title once, he can change it again. If the titles, as has been suggested to me, depends on whether he is or does a certain thing, they can certainly change every now and then. Also, when Ganon is just revived and a mindless beast as has been established, you really think Ganon is very concerned which title he should use?

First off, Ganon's titles... He's one thing in ALttP, then he's something else in OoX... so...????

It isn't the fact of him changing his title, it's the fact that he's being revived as sometyhing which he wouldn't have been known as since TWW.

Actually he says he is the Yami no Maou about a second or 2 before he dies. It almost seems like the same context as when Ganondorf in OoT gets beat and says something like "The king of evil beaten by this kid." "I... am the... Maou of Darkness... urgh" Seems kind similar.

He actually says "The Great Evil King Ganondorf...
beaten by this kid?!"

Originally Posted by Pinecove

It isn't the fact of him changing his title, it's the fact that he's being revived as sometyhing which he wouldn't have been known as since TWW.

If he gave himself the title you have no right to tell him when to use it, good sir

And as I said, he's not in his right mental mind. And if he's 2 seconds from being destoyed, I can't tell exactly what's going through his head but I doubt it was this:

"Damn him, I'm the great Yami no... oh wait, that was my last title, I got a new one... what was that again... Uma... uma-something... uurrh, can't really remember...Uma...Umae? Uh, ****, I gotta get this right..."

If he gave himself the title you have no right to tell him when to use it, good sir

Lets give an example.

My name is Sebastian.
I die.
When being revived I'm called Sebastian.
When I am revived I proclaim myself mark.

That would be the logical change. The change smertios is arguing is:

My name is mark.
I die.
When being revived I'm called Sebastian.
When I am revived I proclaim myself mark.

It doesn't make sense...

^So Ganon calls himself one thing in OoX while before he's ress'd someone else called him another thing?

So... would that in iteslef imply that the titles doesn't matter or that they're irrelevant if they can't even call him the same thing in the same game?

or did I get it wrong?

You got it wrong.

Ganon is a Yami no maou in ALttP.

In OoX Twinrova is attempting to revive a Daimaou Ganon. Why not the Yami no maou Ganon?

Period. You get it now?

^ Okay, I get it now. So why would he change his title?

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

^ Okay, I get it now. So why would he change his title?

I think it has to do with the soul being in the trident. But it's just one of those unevidenced assumptions.

^ Well, I mean it would make sense if he had one title when he was Blue Ganon or something like that.

Looks to me like he just had more than one title, like "King of Darkness", "King of Evil" or "Demon King" or whatever.