ATTN: Ashanark

I would love to discuss your timeline, especially why you put MC and FS on different sides of the split. (somebody please tell me if I am being trollish etc.)

You're not trolling, don't worry.

Alright. Here I go.

My Timeline:

----WW---PH------AoL BS--MC------LoZ------AoL
---/
OoT
---\
----MM----TP---OoX--FS/FSA--ALttP---OoX---LA


My explanation for MC's and FS's placement is kind of long, and very weird. Firstly, I think ALttP takes place on the CT. Why?
1) The Master Sword is located in the lost woods, in a pedestal, just like TP.
2) There is a Zora heirarchy.
3) Both Hyrule Castles have sewers with secret entrances
4) Geography is very similar to TP. Death Mountain, Spectacle Rock, Lake Hylia, Zora's domain, and a desert.

FSA is very similar to ALttP (especially in geography), so it goes before. TP-FSA similarities:

1) Ganon is (in Japanese) called a "Majuu", or Dark Beast, in TP. He is also called this in FSA, before given the more appropriate title "King of Darkness".
2) FSA's Dark World is very similiar to Twilit Hyrule.
3) The Dark Mirror is very similar to the Mirror of Twilight (it's even said to have sealed a "dark tribe", like the Mirror of Twilight did). The Mirror of Twilight was shattered at the end of TP, I know, but it must have been made by someone at some point, and thus it's very possible it could be repaired. Also, if the Dark Mirror is the AT's version of the Mirror of Twilight, how did it go from the Arbiter's grounds to the top of a mountain? Wouldn't it be submerged?
4) FSA takes place on an island, but I am a firm believer that the CT has oceans, thus making this possible. After all, if it doesn't have oceans, how can it rain in Hyrule?

OoX goes in the CT because...
1) Twinrova is alive, since she was never killed.
2) There is still a Zora heirarchy.
The MS in OoX is not canon, as it's not required to beat the game.
Also, I do not believe that the trident is the "vessel" intended by Twinrova; I instead think Zelda is.

FS has to go before FSA, for obvious reasons.

It's usual to put MC right before FS, but I'm uncomfortable putting it in the CT for a few reasons:
1) MC takes place in what appears to be a post-flood Hyrule.
2) The kingdom is just starting out.
3) Zoras are scarce. Gorons are too.
4) The library in MC mentions "Triumph Forks", which is a WW reference.

So how can MC and FS possibly be on different timelines? In FS's backstory, it mentions that Vaati attacked Hyrule and kidnapped maidens. A hero appeared wielding the Four Sword and sealed Vaati inside it. The kidnapping of maidens and Vaati's sealing does not happen in MC, and I highly doubt Vaati has minions that can revive him (unlike Ganon), thus allowing him to be sealed later. MC does explain the making of the FS and Vaati's origins, however.

I basically assume that maybe the CT has an incarnation of Vaati as well, one that had a similar origin, yet a different way he was defeated. This goes on the idea that history repeats itself, so maybe, in different timelines, similar events occur.

So that is my explanation, Sharp Flat. This is my attempt to make a more original timeline which is not entirely crazy, instead of just using Skylark's or Smertios's timelines, which, all in all, make more sense.

Still, any questions? This is your first timeline debate. Let's see how you do.

Any minute now Pinecove or Mr. Lexxi will come and crush me...

Actually, everything seems extremely plausible. I just believe that it would be unlikely that a character not from OoT would appear in both timelines (Vaati). Also, the flood aspects can be explained by the Deku Tree's plan working.

I wish you luck against Pinecove & Lexxi

Thanks.

Also, the Deku Tree's success is bringing the islands together, not neccessarily bringing the bottom of the sea up. Besides, the Arbiter's Grounds/Spirit Temple is fairly close to Hyrule Castle (or at least in Hyrule).

If Hyrule was completely flooded at the end of WW, the Mirror of Twilight would be submerged, and most likely destroyed with the rest of Old Hyrule. It is reasonable to believe that the Master Sword was recovered from Ganondorf's head (or that a new one was made), but it's hard to believe that the Mirror of Twilight would also be retrieved from underneath the sea.

^Actually, that's no less likely than the Mirror of Twilight being remade...

My explanation for MC's and FS's placement is kind of long, and very weird. Firstly, I think ALttP takes place on the CT. Why?
1) The Master Sword is located in the lost woods, in a pedestal, just like TP.
2) There is a Zora heirarchy.
3) Both Hyrule Castles have sewers with secret entrances
4) Geography is very similar to TP. Death Mountain, Spectacle Rock, Lake Hylia, Zora's domain, and a desert.

2) However the Zoras are good in oot,tp, and ooa. what causes them to become agressive?
4) They have the same names, but they are not in the same spot really. also, I dont believe specitical rock is in TP.
FSA is very similar to ALttP (especially in geography), so it goes before. TP-FSA similarities:

1) Ganon is (in Japanese) called a "Majuu", or Dark Beast, in TP. He is also called this in FSA, before given the more appropriate title "King of Darkness".
2) FSA's Dark World is very similiar to Twilit Hyrule.
3) The Dark Mirror is very similar to the Mirror of Twilight (it's even said to have sealed a "dark tribe", like the Mirror of Twilight did). The Mirror of Twilight was shattered at the end of TP, I know, but it must have been made by someone at some point, and thus it's very possible it could be repaired. Also, if the Dark Mirror is the AT's version of the Mirror of Twilight, how did it go from the Arbiter's grounds to the top of a mountain? Wouldn't it be submerged?
4) FSA takes place on an island, but I am a firm believer that the CT has oceans, thus making this possible. After all, if it doesn't have oceans, how can it rain in Hyrule?

1) He claims the title Yami no maou in ooX.
2) I agree
3) the mirror was completely destroyed by Midna in TP. According to the back stories, they are likely the same mirror.
4. FSA is not a land 'surrounded by mountains and forest" as OoT and TP is.

OoX goes in the CT because...
1) Twinrova is alive, since she was never killed.
2) There is still a Zora heirarchy.
The MS in OoX is not canon, as it's not required to beat the game.
Also, I do not believe that the trident is the "vessel" intended by Twinrova; I instead think Zelda is.

1) valid point
2) however it doesn't function the same way.

It's usual to put MC right before FS, but I'm uncomfortable putting it in the CT for a few reasons:
1) MC takes place in what appears to be a post-flood Hyrule.
2) The kingdom is just starting out.
3) Zoras are scarce. Gorons are too.
4) The library in MC mentions "Triumph Forks", which is a WW reference.

MC is the creation of the Four sword. It must predate the other four sword games.

Originally Posted by Ashanark

Also, the Deku Tree's success is bringing the islands together, not neccessarily bringing the bottom of the sea up. Besides, the Arbiter's Grounds/Spirit Temple is fairly close to Hyrule Castle (or at least in Hyrule).

If that was the case, then Crescent Island in ooa should have merged with the continent. But it didin't. And it got bigger even though there were no islands nearby...

That's how the MS and the TM came to the surfice...

If that was the case, then Crescent Island in ooa should have merged with the continent. But it didin't. And it got bigger even though there were no islands nearby...

Crescent Island did get a little closer. Remember where the 8th dungeon in OoA was? That little island? Almost looks like maze island, in a way. It merged with the continent and became the graveyard.

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

Crescent Island did get a little closer. Remember where the 8th dungeon in OoA was? That little island? Almost looks like maze island, in a way. It merged with the continent and became the graveyard.

No, it was in th exact same spot, but there was more land in the island in the present than in the past...

Well it is a little hard to say. Either the island moved a bit. Or it grew a bit.

Anyways, I find it hard to believe that hyrule resurfaces. That is exactly what Daphnes didn't want.

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

Well it is a little hard to say. Either the island moved a bit. Or it grew a bit.

Anyways, I find it hard to believe that hyrule resurfaces. That is exactly what Daphnes didn't want.

Either that or it was buried by the land...

The problem about MC is that Nintendo/Capcom, instead of nicely having Vaati sealed at the end, decided to be jerks and kill him off, messing up FS's backstory. No matter what, there's going to be problems.

So which do you think is more likely:
1) Vaati is killed in MC. Some time later, he is somehow revived. (Exactly how he could do this, I don't know. Unlike Ganon, he doesn't have a minion like Twinrova that can resurrect him nor does he have the ToP, which grants near immortality) Vaati then attacks Hyrule, kidnaps some maidens, and is fought by yet another hero wielding the FS. He is sealed inside it, and FS occurs.
2) MC takes place on a different timeline than FS. The Four Sword is somehow made. A different Vaati attacks Hyrule, kidnaps some maidens, and is sealed in the FS. FS occurs.

The main questions here are
1) whether the Piccori have always existed or exist in only one timeline, and
2) if they did, if Vaati would still make around the same choices that would make him the Wind Mage. He would still have the same personality, but maybe his choices would be different.

A question for you, Skylark. Why do you say the Zoras in OoA are different then the ones in OoT? They are similar, they have a king that looks almost exactly the same as OoT's, and they worship Jabu-Jabu (although a different one).

Originally Posted by Ashanark

The problem about MC is that Nintendo/Capcom, instead of nicely having Vaati sealed at the end, decided to be jerks and kill him off, messing up FS's backstory. No matter what, there's going to be problems.

So which do you think is more likely:
1) Vaati is killed in MC. Some time later, he is somehow revived. (Exactly how he could do this, I don't know. Unlike Ganon, he doesn't have a minion like Twinrova that can resurrect him nor does he have the ToP, which grants near immortality) Vaati then attacks Hyrule, kidnaps some maidens, and is fought by yet another hero wielding the FS. He is sealed inside it, and FS occurs.
2) MC takes place on a different timeline than FS. The Four Sword is somehow made. A different Vaati attacks Hyrule, kidnaps some maidens, and is sealed in the FS. FS occurs.

I choose 1. The creation of the four sword is more important. Revivals happen all the time.

A question for you, Skylark. Why do you say the Zoras in OoA are different then the ones in OoT? They are similar, they have a king that looks almost exactly the same as OoT's, and they worship Jabu-Jabu (although a different one).

After the flood the zoras moved over to labyrnna. The species then splits into two groups. The sea zora (nice) and the river zora(aggressive) OoX bridges the gap showing a transition between being nice and mean.

also, I dont believe specitical rock is in TP.

Uh dude, Spectacle rock is the thing the Gorons live in...

Now then:

----WW---PH------AoL BS--MC------LoZ------AoL
---/
OoT
---\
----MM----TP---OoX--FS/FSA--ALttP---OoX---LA

TMC is obviosly a prequal to FS and FSA so if you're gfoing to do a timeline like that, atleast put TMC in the child timeline.

That being said you have a child timeline of TP-OoX-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/OoX/LA

Let's examine the bolded shall we? I'm guessing from this that you're either undecided on OoX's placement or you place the past before TMC and the present after ALttP. Regardless that is wrong.

In OoX Ganon's soul gets sealed into a Trident...and in FSA HIS SOUL IS IN A TRIDENT! Just to make Smertios happy here, it isn't 100% however ALttP/OoX doesn't work for explenations I would rather not discuss in this thread.

So TP-OoX-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA

That being said we now have an arc that can't be broken. OoX-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA (well minus LA I guess).

FPTRRL explains the origin of the subrosians and hence has to come before OoX.

TP-FPTRRL-OoX etc.

This doesn't work. FPTRRL takes place in a GIANTLY flooded country. Hyrule on continents. That being said you have a few options.

1. Ignore everything I jyust said and be a stuborn jerk (not recomended)
2. Put FPTRRL and Geo as not Canon. Your timeline is improved with everything on the CT essentially.
OoT-TWW/PH-LoZ/AoL
OoT/MM-TP-OoX-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA

or

OoT-TWW/PH
OoT/MM-TP-LoZ/AoL-OoX-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA

(Moderatly recomended)

3. Go with everything I just said and come up with the masterpeice of:

OoT/MM-TP
OoT-TWW/PH-LoZ/AoL-OoX-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA (Extermely recomended)

That being said, I'm watching Naruto, doing research on the Gorons, and am overall very busy.

Audue *Flicks cloak and vanishes*
3.

Uh dude, Spectacle rock is the thing the Gorons live in...

Is it? I never noticed. I thought it was the same thing as OoT. A big cave like place in DM.

The Goron Mines are in one peak of spectacle rock. Go to Hyrule Field and look up to see both peaks...

I'm guessing from this that you're either undecided on OoX's placement or you place the past before TMC and the present after ALttP. Regardless that is wrong.

Nah, I didn't place OoX twice, I was just unsure about where it went (like MC).

Since I can't decide yet between your timeline, Pinecove, and Smertios's, I think I'll choose option #2 for the time being...

Nah, I didn't place OoX twice, I was just unsure about where it went (like MC).

Since I can't decide yet between your timeline, Pinecove, and Smertios's, I think I'll choose option #2 for the time being...

...../-WW/PH-{AoL BS}-MC-LoZ/AoL
OoT
.....\MM-TP-(OoX)-FS/FSA-ALttP/(OoX)/LA

This way it's easier to understand It's the standard notation plus one of my special additions (the brackets) for the BS's and spinoff games...