Art in the Alltp players guide, canon?

We (like, 4 people) voted no in the "Back to the old debate" thread. Which also means LoZ BS isn't canon (I don't know why, but that's a good thing in my eyes).

The SR vanished? Wouldn't it just transform from the DW back into the normal SR, or a paradise?

Originally Posted by Ollathir

The SR vanished, remember?

When? The Sacred Realm was transformed into a world of darkness, which vanished.

Originally Posted by Ollathir

I voted that it's canon. There's no reason for it not to be. I would like to say, however, that the outcome of this vote doesn't mean anything, as opinion on canon is personal and should not be affected by popular belief. Just because the majority believes it's canon, while you believe it isn't, doesn't mean you have to accept it as canon.

But most people believe it is not canon...

This presents problems for the early placement.
1) How did the MS get from Ganondorf's head of stone to a cave? (Not a huge problem, as before we just had it washing up on the shores of Labrynna or Holodrum. It could just wash up on the shores of Hyrule and end up in a cave.

Again, the sword is called Magical Sword in the latest version of LoZ. We know that the developers did make other corrections to that version (Gannon became Ganon). And we know that they do change stuff for timeline purposes (Wise Men >> Sages and Flute >> Ocarina in the GBA version of LttP).

With all that said, we can say, for sure, that the Magic sword is not the Master Sword. That was just Lex desperate claim to see if he can get people back to the early placement Just kidding, ok

Of course, the problem with the late placement is that the MS has to get out of its pedestal and end up in a cave. This brings up the question, "Is AST canon?" Is it is canon, the MS is a neutral issue. If it's not canon, it's better with the early placement.

Not a problem considering there is absolutely nothing implying that the Master Sword is the Magic Sword except for one pic that didn't state so. Just because two swords are similar doesn't mean they are the same

And this is the Magic sword shown in AoL:

As to how someone got the trident if it was in the SR...it wasn't. The SR vanished, remember? So the trident would end up in Hyrule Castle, since it was in the Pyramid of Light that Ganon threw it away. If the ToP can be stolen from Hyrule Castle, so can...the ToP(trident).

What? Why the hell would the SR vanish? The trident was just taken by Twinrova and sent back to the LW That makes more sense...

So, is AST canon?

No, and I don't needt it to be canon, considering I have official art to prove that LA Link is LttP Link but not OoX Link; and VC LoZ to confirm that Magical sword =/= Master Sword...

Originally Posted by Viral

We (like, 4 people) voted no in the "Back to the old debate" thread. Which also means LoZ BS isn't canon (I don't know why, but that's a good thing in my eyes).

But that is not a voting thread

Originally Posted by Viral

We (like, 4 people) voted no in the "Back to the old debate" thread. Which also means LoZ BS isn't canon (I don't know why, but that's a good thing in my eyes).

The SR vanished? Wouldn't it just transform from the DW back into the normal SR, or a paradise?

Yeah, that's a good thing. I was getting tired of it.

I need to review Erimgard's thread on the SR and the quotes at the end of ALttP before replying about the DW vanishing.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

When? The Sacred Realm was transformed into a world of darkness, which vanished.

I need to review Erimgard's thread on the SR and the quotes at the end of ALttP before replying about the DW vanishing.

Originally Posted by Smertios

But most people believe it is not canon...

Smertios, the poll has 8 believing it is canon and 6 believing it is not.

Again, the sword is called Magical Sword in the latest version of LoZ. We know that the developers did make other corrections to that version (Gannon became Ganon). And we know that they do change stuff for timeline purposes (Wise Men >> Sages and Flute >> Ocarina in the GBA version of LttP).

1) The sword is a magical sword, regardless of whether or not it is the Master Sword. Gannon's spelling was corrected because the spelling was incorrect. Wise Men was retranslated as sages because the translation was incorrect.

2) Flute did not become Ocarina in the GBA version of ALttP.

3) Just because something wasn't changed for the port doesn't mean that the intent for it to have changed as noted elsewhere does not exist.

But that is not a voting thread

Alright, "came to the general concencus that it is not canon".

Originally Posted by Ollathir

Yeah, that's a good thing. I was getting tired of it.

I need to review Erimgard's thread on the SR and the quotes at the end of ALttP before replying about the DW vanishing.



I need to review Erimgard's thread on the SR and the quotes at the end of ALttP before replying about the DW vanishing.

Consider my reply!!!

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

Smertios, the poll has 8 believing it is canon and 6 believing it is not.

Still, the only people saying that believes it to be canon are you, pinecove and olathir

The results mean nothing if people without the proper knowledge are voting...

Originally Posted by Viral

Alright, "came to the general concencus that it is not canon".

Better
And also true...

Originally Posted by Smertios

But most people believe it is not canon...

You completely missed the point. I just said it doesn't matter what everyone thinks.

Again, the sword is called Magical Sword in the latest version of LoZ. We know that the developers did make other corrections to that version (Gannon became Ganon). And we know that they do change stuff for timeline purposes (Wise Men >> Sages and Flute >> Ocarina in the GBA version of LttP).

If you're talking about the VC, it was kept as the original for specific purposes (except for Ganon's name, since it was just an error) There weren't supposed to be any changes. You can't use the VC as evidence for mose recent intent.

With all that said, we can say, for sure, that the Magic sword is not the Master Sword. That was just Lex desperate claim to see if he can get people back to the early placement Just kidding, ok

That was confusing. I still think the Magic Sword is the Master Sword though.

Not a problem considering there is absolutely nothing implying that the Master Sword is the Magic Sword except for one pic that didn't state so. Just because two swords are similar doesn't mean they are the same

Look at the pic. It's the same sword. And this...

is starting to get annoying.

And this is the Magic sword shown in AoL:

It doesn't matter. The player's guide is more recent.

What? Why the hell would the SR vanish? The trident was just taken by Twinrova and sent back to the LW That makes more sense...

Apparently people have forgotten this. And you're not making very much sense in this post. The s are annoying and make things even more confusing. Talk to me straight.

No, and I don't needt it to be canon, considering I have official art to prove that LA Link is LttP Link but not OoX Link; and VC LoZ to confirm that Magical sword =/= Master Sword...

Based on that bit right there, I don't think you understand canon. You're looking at it as if your opinion on what is canon and what isn't should be affected by what works best for you. Like Historian said, we can't decide what's canon to make us comfortable. Don't go against your honest opinion to help yourself out.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

1) The sword is a magical sword, regardless of whether or not it is the Master Sword. Gannon's spelling was corrected because the spelling was incorrect. Wise Men was retranslated as sages because the translation was incorrect.

2) Flute did not become Ocarina in the GBA version of ALttP.

3) Just because something wasn't changed for the port doesn't mean that the intent for it to have changed as noted elsewhere does not exist.

Yes, and the port was not supposed to have changes anyway. The VC ports were meant to be the original versions of the games. Only the things that were errors/mistranslations were changed. I'm agreeing with you...no way!

Well I originally voted for yes, when I first made the thread. But since I have changed my mind. So technically it is tied at 7.

Still, the only people saying that believes it to be canon are you, pinecove and olathir

The results mean nothing if people without the proper knowledge are voting...

For the love of god please do some reaerch before you post. I DO NOT BELIEVE OFFICIAL ART TO BE CANON!!!

That was confusing. I still think the Magic Sword is the Master Sword though.

...wha- That's impossible for your placement...

Just so it's clear, if the MS is the Magical Sword, then late LoZ cannot happen. Period. (I think that was what Pinecove was getting at.)

The Magical Sword =/= Master Sword because it would create problems with many peoples placement in the Timeline. With an early placement, The Windwaker causes a problem being that the Master Sword is at the bottom of the ocean(unless you believe the timeline goes OoX-LoZ instead of LoZ-OoX)
With an after aLttp placement it would bring errors with the text in alttp that states the Master Sword rests forever.

Originally Posted by Ollathir

You completely missed the point. I just said it doesn't matter what everyone thinks.

got that. I was just pointing that, at least in this forum, most people consider it not to be canon. You said otherwise...

If you're talking about the VC, it was kept as the original for specific purposes (except for Ganon's name, since it was just an error) There weren't supposed to be any changes. You can't use the VC as evidence for mose recent intent.

Ganon's name was not an error. In english, it would be more common to have the double n. But Gannon wasn't a popular name after all.

By saying that Gannon an error just because the original japanese has only one n (and having in mind that japanese uses a syllabary), you are also saying that Zelda is justan error and that she should be called Zeruda or Zerda because that is how the japanese name is...

That was confusing. I still think the Magic Sword is the Master Sword though.

Then you can't possibly place LoZ after LttP...

Look at the pic. It's the same sword. And this...

is starting to get annoying.

I know, that's the idea
OK, stopped

It doesn't matter. The player's guide is more recent.

If you are going by that line, i have to say that SCII is more recent...

http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/6/67/IMG_1934.JPG

Apparently people have forgotten this. And you're not making very much sense in this post. The s are annoying and make things even more confusing. Talk to me straight.

People have forgotten that the SR vanishes. Apparently this knowledge has just not reached everyone yet, considering you are the only one who seems to know so...

Based on that bit right there, I don't think you understand canon. You're looking at it as if your opinion on what is canon and what isn't should be affected by what works best for you. Like Historian said, we can't decide what's canon to make us comfortable. Don't go against your honest opinion to help yourself out.

I suppose that you are the one who don't understand canon. Just because one material is official doesn't make it canon at all. In fact, except for Star Wars, in which the devs control the canonicity of everything, expanded universes are not considered canon in any series. Even when the expanded universe is officially released by the same company that makes the main series (be it of movies, games, books etc.). This means that, everything but the books of Harry Potter should not be considered canon, even though everything is official. The same would go for the several audiobooks and novels of Doctor Who, that are created directly be BBC, but lack connection to the actual storyline of the main series. And the same goes for Zelda: not everything that Nintendo releases wit the name zelda written in it should be considered canon.

On the AST issue, what I meant was that it doesn't matter if AST is canon or not, as my timeline does not need it to support thatthe MS was used again after LttP...

Yes, and the port was not supposed to have changes anyway. The VC ports were meant to be the original versions of the games. Only the things that were errors/mistranslations were changed. I'm agreeing with you...no way!

Proof that only "errors" were supposed to be corrected?
Also, Wise Men was not a mistranslation. It has, virtually, the same meaning as Sage. I don't know about japanese, but in portuguese, at least, the word for 'sage' and 'wise' is the same...

Originally Posted by Skylark

Well I originally voted for yes, when I first made the thread. But since I have changed my mind. So technically it is tied at 7.

This is why polls never show the real numbers...

Originally Posted by Pinecove

For the love of god please do some reaerch before you post. I DO NOT BELIEVE OFFICIAL ART TO BE CANON!!!

Oh, sorry, You posted a message saying that you were back to PH-LoZ after Lex posted about the art stuff, so I assumed that was the reason...