Art in the Alltp players guide, canon?

Thank you Captain(s) Obvious. I mean who is he?

Other than what a I said, nothing is known.

Wasn't the artwork made for ALTTP mentioned in the game's credits?

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Thank you Captain(s) Obvious. I mean who is he?

The last guardian of the triforce of courage, a character created by the king, just like dark link,thunder bird and all the monsters in the palaces.

Damn. I've always wondered if he was meant to be a different race, since he was half the size of Link. Enlarged Minish? Somehow-aged Kokiri? Essence of the Triforce? Spirit of the Great King as a midget?

Originally Posted by smallville boy

The last guardian of the triforce of courage, a character created by the king, just like dark link,thunder bird and all the monsters in the palaces.

But Dark Link guarded the ToC. The old dude just hands it over when you beat Dark Link. Not much of a security system there.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Damn. I've always wondered if he was meant to be a different race, since he was half the size of Link. Enlarged Minish? Somehow-aged Kokiri? Essence of the Triforce? Spirit of the Great King as a midget?

Nope, he is just another creature created by the king of hyrule to protect the triforce of courage.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Damn. I've always wondered if he was meant to be a different race, since he was half the size of Link. Enlarged Minish? Somehow-aged Kokiri? Essence of the Triforce? Spirit of the Great King as a midget?

But Dark Link guarded the ToC. The old dude just hands it over when you beat Dark Link. Not much of a security system there.

He is just the person who will give the ToC to the person who defeat dark link just like the person who give the cup to the person who win the grand prix.
The king created that creature to give the triforce of courage to the person who defeat dark link.

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Nope, he is just another creature created by the king of hyrule to protect the triforce of courage.

About as effective as Jar-Jar Binks: 'My give up! My give up!!'

me too me too

So far it the poll is split down the middle. I still don't really know what to think of it. The MS and magic sword thing has been decided. As they changed Ganon's name but not the swords. However the trident is still up in the air, as they couldn't really just change his sprites without changing everything.

There, I broke the tie.

Edit: Yes I deleted the other posts for this one. Made a mistake in what Lex was saying before.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

I just know how "canon" works. Being Catholic helps with that a bit, as we invented the idea.

Catholics allow you to read the Bible? My goodness!

Relax Zen-Sama-Lex. I was only poking fun before and now. I know how canon works.

Originally Posted by Skylark

The MS and magic sword thing has been decided. As they changed Ganon's name but not the swords.

They didn't ever mention the sword's name in subsequent releases. In fact, I'm not even sure they mentioned it in the first release.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

They didn't ever mention the sword's name in subsequent releases. In fact, I'm not even sure they mentioned it in the first release.

They mentioned it in the AoL manual, at least in the GC one.

Originally Posted by Skylark

They mentioned it in the AoL manual, at least in the GC one.

It was never a formal title in the AoL manual; it says he "took up his magical sword and left" or some such thing.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

They didn't ever mention the sword's name in subsequent releases. In fact, I'm not even sure they mentioned it in the first release.

Have you ever played LoZ at all? before the game starts, the only intro that the game has shows the backstory and all itens ou can get during your quest...

If you don't believe me:
YouTube - Legend of Zelda NES intro

In all versions of LoZ the sword is called Magic Sword...

EDIT: sorry, magical sword...

I think Lex was talking about AoL. I'll go look up an AoL manual.

Edit:

English/American AoL Manual:
Then, with a magical sword in his left hand and a magical shield in his right, he set off alone on his long travels.

A magical sword, not The Magical Sword.

If the art was drawn by an offical NoJ artist who works on the Zelda games, then I'm pretty sure we can count it as canon, even if it appears in an American guide that has alot of BS in it. However, in-game sources that clearly disagree with the art will be "more canon" (I hate saying that).
So even though the art shows Magical Sword = Master Sword, the game says otherwise. And I would agree with the game.

The reason I made "clearly disagrees" noticable is because due to graphical/mechanical limitations, sometimes in-game visuals can be missleading, such as LoZ Ganon and the Trident. The art suggests he ahs a Trident, and I think he has it, even though he does not wield the Trident in-game because the NES was quite old and it may have been beyond Nintendo's programming at that time.

Originally Posted by Viral

I think Lex was talking about AoL. I'll go look up an AoL manual.

Edit:

A magical sword, not The Magical Sword.

Still, that is enough evidence that it is the same weapon for me...

If the art was drawn by an offical NoJ artist who works on the Zelda games, then I'm pretty sure we can count it as canon, even if it appears in an American guide that has alot of BS in it. However, in-game sources that clearly disagree with the art will be "more canon" (I hate saying that).
So even though the art shows Magical Sword = Master Sword, the game says otherwise. And I would agree with the game.

The problem is that that said art was released together with LttP and difers from all the rest of the art released together with LoZ.

And not everything that is official is canon. We could say that the art released in LttP player guide is an alternative reality to what really happened. That just won't support anyone's timeline...

And if you don't like the expression "more canon", try "canoner" Considering 'canon' is a two syllable word I think that is correct too...

The reason I made "clearly disagrees" noticable is because due to graphical/mechanical limitations, sometimes in-game visuals can be missleading, such as LoZ Ganon and the Trident. The art suggests he ahs a Trident, and I think he has it, even though he does not wield the Trident in-game because the NES was quite old and it may have been beyond Nintendo's programming at that time.

But then you are assuming that the NES is not capable of presenting the trident without any professional quote supporting that.

Adding a trident would be really easy, and, in my opinion, making a sprite with Ganon attacking Link with it would be just as easy. It just didn't have to be like it was in LttP, with the trident making difficult movements and stuff. It could have been similar to how Link attacks with the sword: the normal "walking" sprite Link is changed by another similar sprite with the sword pointing towards the front for a few seconds. It could have been the same thing for Ganon and all it needed would be another sprite with him pointing the trident to Link's face...

Originally Posted by Smertios

Have you ever played LoZ at all? before the game starts, the only intro that the game has shows the backstory and all itens ou can get during your quest...

I've never watched the entire intro. So shoot me.

And "Magical Sword" is not a formal title; for all we know the Master Sword's name is an unknown at the time of LoZ. We do know that the Master Sword is a magical sword.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

I've never watched the entire intro. So shoot me.

And "Magical Sword" is not a formal title; for all we know the Master Sword's name is an unknown at the time of LoZ. We do know that the Master Sword is a magical sword.

Why on earth would the MS name be unknown by the time of LoZ if it was known before and after it??

And no, we don't know that the MS=MS... Not at all...

I voted that it's canon. There's no reason for it not to be. I would like to say, however, that the outcome of this vote doesn't mean anything, as opinion on canon is personal and should not be affected by popular belief. Just because the majority believes it's canon, while you believe it isn't, doesn't mean you have to accept it as canon.

This presents problems for the early placement.
1) How did the MS get from Ganondorf's head of stone to a cave? (Not a huge problem, as before we just had it washing up on the shores of Labrynna or Holodrum. It could just wash up on the shores of Hyrule and end up in a cave.
2) Why did Zoras in Labrynna or Holodrum find it if AoL Link had it? This is an especially big problem if LoZ/AoL Link is the same person as OoX Link. Simple solution: LoZ/AoL Link is not OoX Link. All you have to do is look at their faces and you can tell that. Whether it's the same Link or not, there's an MS problem here that needs explaining.

Of course, the problem with the late placement is that the MS has to get out of its pedestal and end up in a cave. This brings up the question, "Is AST canon?" Is it is canon, the MS is a neutral issue. If it's not canon, it's better with the early placement.

As to how someone got the trident if it was in the SR...it wasn't. The SR vanished, remember? So the trident would end up in Hyrule Castle, since it was in the Pyramid of Light that Ganon threw it away. If the ToP can be stolen from Hyrule Castle, so can...the ToP(trident).

So, is AST canon?