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View Poll Results: Should there be a list of evidence found for each game unbiased?
Yes 3 17.65%
Yes, but I don't want to do it. 4 23.53%
Yes, I want to help. 6 35.29%
No 1 5.88%
No, It isn't important. 1 5.88%
Maybe, but it depends on who. 2 11.76%
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Old 12-14-2008, 04:55 PM
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Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

So I ask the Public, Should a Tome of Information be made to showcase Strong and Weak evidence for each game? This can be a PDF downloadable as a source and can be updated as Open Source information.

It would be nice with Unbiased information, because what I'm seeing is that either someone forgets a portion of a certain game (because there are so many games) or they haven't played it because it is unavailable to them.

I say yes. Starting off with each game as they were released I think we should do this a game at a time, or again a game to a group/person to compile important information. Then after that is done, information on BS's.

So I ask Others, Anyone up for it?

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Update 1.0:

Terms: I promise that when I compile the information together you WILL get mentioned for your work.

Rules: Organization and Presentation.
>Post the game you would like to focus on within your reply.

>Topics will be limited at first but don't worry, this will expand over time on it's own. (this prevents us from crashing before we even take off)

>Please Provide imagery. A LOT of people are visual learners. So keep that in mind.

>PM me if you have questions or if you want my SN. I will happily provide it (I use MSN, Yahoo, and AIM)

>Remember, this compilation of information will NOT include your personal opinions. It is meant to be unbiased for the sake of helping others make their own choices when making the timeline. Let others judge what weighs more as evidence.

Legend of Zelda
made: 1986
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
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|---------|
|--LoZ--|
|---------|
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Zelda II: Adventures of Link
made: 1987
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
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|---------|
|--AoL--|
|---------|
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A Link to the Past
made: 1991/2002(much updated)
Reviewer: McDuck
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
Warning: Heavy topic burden.
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|---------|
|-ALttP-|
|---------|
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Link's Awakening
made: 1993
Reviewer: RavenRue
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
======
|---------|
|---LA--|
|---------|
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Ocarina of Time
made: 1998
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
Warning: Heavy topic burden.
======
|---------|
|--OoT--|
|---------|
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Majora's Mask
made: 2000
Reviewer: rhakiath
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
======
|---------|
|---MM---|
|---------|
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Oracle of Seasons
made: 2001
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
Warning: Heavy topic burden.
======
|---------|
|--OoS--|
|---------|
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Oracle of Ages
made: 2001
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
Warning: Heavy topic burden.
======
|---------|
|--OoA--|
|---------|
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Four Swords
made: 2002
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
Warning: You need a way to play it. Either you do it by yourself or w/ someone else.
======
|---------|
|---FA---|
|---------|
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the Wind Waker
made: 2002
Reviewer: Kingconnor
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
======
|---------|
|--tWW--|
|---------|
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Four Swords Adventures
made: 2004
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
======
|---------|
|--FSA--|
|---------|
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the Minish Cap
made: 2004
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
======
|---------|
|--tMC--|
|---------|
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Twilight Princess
made: 2006
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
Warning: Heavy topic burden.
======
|---------|
|---TP---|
|---------|
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Phantom Hourglass
made: 2007
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
======
|---------|
|---PH---|
|---------|
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MOST IMPORTANT:

the Temple of Time (spans many games)

Reviewer: ?
Topic: Who made it/What is the importance/When*/Where*/Why*/How
Warning: Very Very Heavy topic burden.
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|---------|
|--ToT--|
|---------|
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For anyone doing Twilight Princess or Wind Waker, please look at my map overlay.


Sorry it's so big. Here: http://ravenrue.deviantart.com/art/A...d-WW-106223913
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Old 12-14-2008, 05:19 PM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

Well, I am currently working a smaller version of what you are talking about. Very miniscule in comparison.
I am basically getting all the Backstories into one place, letting everyone know what happened at the end of each game. This is vitally important because it tells us the state of the Triforce, and Ganon/dorf at the beginning and end of each game.
I only start it recently, and as such, it is no where near completion. I have only just finished AOL.
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Old 12-14-2008, 05:27 PM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

I actually think there is something like this over at ZI. ^^
But yes it would be a nice reference for newbies...well actually for everyone. There will be dispute over what is "unbiased" though.
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Old 12-14-2008, 06:03 PM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

So want to help me out? we can all keep each other unbiased.

We just need information that can make a connection with another game.

Like say: AoL

and then a list of information like Towns being called by sage names.

Then a list of random information like someone being named Error. lolz

Then each fact can have a rating of importance, like say 80% (because we don't knowhow they even came about with the names after the world flooded)
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Old 12-14-2008, 07:43 PM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

We need to divide the work into small sections.

one person could focus on the triforce alone, or the overall info on one game, for example.

if we can get a half dozen serious people, we could get a decent amount done, imo.

plot summary can be one thing, items, characters, developer statements, etc., all need to be covered.

I am willing to help out.

EDIT: as far as rating importance, that will undoubtedly cause failure; we need to be careful about that b/c everyone's views of importance is subjective. we should appoint a few mods/experienced theorists to oversee the project, and have everyone involved compile evidence regarding a particular specialization.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:16 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

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We need to divide the work into small sections.

one person could focus on the triforce alone, or the overall info on one game, for example.

if we can get a half dozen serious people, we could get a decent amount done, imo.

plot summary can be one thing, items, characters, developer statements, etc., all need to be covered.

I am willing to help out.

EDIT: as far as rating importance, that will undoubtedly cause failure; we need to be careful about that b/c everyone's views of importance is subjective. we should appoint a few mods/experienced theorists to oversee the project, and have everyone involved compile evidence regarding a particular specialization.
I like where your going with this. I'm not that popular with this Forum, but I would love for Mods to oversee this project. As for experienced theorists, i feel like, anyone getting themselves into this project will become experts themselves on the topic/game they choose to do.

So I figure it's all about organization and Presentation. I will Post the games and then you can copy it and post which game you would like to focus on. Topics will be limited at first so that we don't over burden ourselves in the beginning. After you choose the game I will update the Thread and list your name on that game, until all games are covered. Once information starts pouring in (please provide Images since It helps me understand what is being said) then I can compile the information together and gain more Graphic Design Experience as a Book/Tome maker.


I for one want to cover Link's Awakening as a game (since I'm limited in gaming time and have to work).

People should only cover a game if they have time to play through it to analyze it. Text dumps aren't the same as the experience you gain when you play through and list out what is happening IMO.

Example:

Legend of Zelda
made: 1986
Reviewer: ?
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
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|---------|
|--LoZ--|
|---------|
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Link's Awakening
made: 1993
Reviewer: IchigoRue
Topic: Character/Geography/Intro-Ending
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|---------|
|---LA--|
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:23 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

I wanted LA...

anyway, the work has to be organized in such a way that noobs and experienced theorists alike will come up with the same results; and can be involved at a useful level.

For it to be unbiased, there has to be a set format that anyone doing the work will come up with the same sort of results. and accountability is key to ensure no bias finds its way in. this can be done by crediting the work to each person, and will also ensure that they get their credit.

doing it by games is tricky of course, since some are simple while others are epic.

I see this perhaps turning out like a more useful version of zelda wiki...

If i cannot have LA, then I shoddy working on MM.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:28 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

Hey there, Ravenrue, what you're setting up is great and I would love to be a part of it! I have bucket loads of spare time over the summer (southern hemisphere seasons) and, if you'll allow, I'd like to do LttP; I promise not to make up bull either. Seriously, dudes, I've been playing this game since I was like 5! Anyway, anything I can do to help.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:38 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

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I actually think there is something like this over at ZI. ^^
But yes it would be a nice reference for newbies...well actually for everyone. There will be dispute over what is "unbiased" though.
I assume you mean this
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:06 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

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I wanted LA...

anyway, the work has to be organized in such a way that noobs and experienced theorists alike will come up with the same results; and can be involved at a useful level.

For it to be unbiased, there has to be a set format that anyone doing the work will come up with the same sort of results. and accountability is key to ensure no bias finds its way in. this can be done by crediting the work to each person, and will also ensure that they get their credit.

doing it by games is tricky of course, since some are simple while others are epic.

I see this perhaps turning out like a more useful version of zelda wiki...

If i cannot have LA, then I shoddy working on MM.
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Hey there, Ravenrue, what you're setting up is great and I would love to be a part of it! I have bucket loads of spare time over the summer (southern hemisphere seasons) and, if you'll allow, I'd like to to LttP; I promise not to make up bull either. Seriously, dudes, I've been playing this game since I was like 5! Anyway, anything I can do to help.
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Ayte, welcome and watch that first step... it's a doozy.
lol, MM and TP were my second choice ^___^


Yo THEmanINtheMOON, thanks for the link. But I'm going to make it into a PDF that will be easy to go through for quick links. (did you know you can set up PDF's to be just like power point? but that means Links/music/and better organization with Adobe InDesign).

That Link will Help our feelow peeps get more information. But remember, we are focusing on smaller topics atm.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:31 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

Excellent! Maybe someone could write a basic template and we could fill in the gaps? You'd need to include story/plot, brief backstory/history, characters, character relations to other games, any and all triforce action, Ganon form, oh and so much more. You know, but in an easy to read context!
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:01 AM
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

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Excellent! Maybe someone could write a basic template and we could fill in the gaps? You'd need to include story/plot, brief backstory/history, characters, character relations to other games, any and all triforce action, Ganon form, oh and so much more. You know, but in an easy to read context!
ayte, i'll do that tomorrow. But if you have time right now, just listing out random stuff from the intro would be nice. and also try to have a notebook just for this. Things like this get cluttered very fast. Don't worry, i'll make a template.
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Don't worry, i'll make a template.
Excellente! I'll make a start . . .
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Re: Should a Tome of Zelda information be made on each game?

I think we should go with a Wiki instead as it can be updated more easi-
oh, wait.
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oh, wait.
okay??? o_O

anways, want to help out?
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okay??? o_O

anways, want to help out?
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okay??? o_O

anways, want to help out?
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:29 AM
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lolz i already have that, and it's nice and all. but how trust worthy is a wiki? it's also very possible to have some bias within it. the reason i'm starting this is so that fresh information can be gathered, in case something was missed.

Sooooo, want to choose a game to analyze?
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lolz i already have that, and it's nice and all. but how trust worthy is a wiki? it's also very possible to have some bias within it. the reason i'm starting this is so that fresh information can be gathered, in case something was missed.
The Tome can be biased too.
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lolz i already have that, and it's nice and all. but how trust worthy is a wiki? it's also very possible to have some bias within it. the reason i'm starting this is so that fresh information can be gathered, in case something was missed.

Sooooo, want to choose a game to analyze?
Those were the same intentions the makers of the Wiki had, silly
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