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Old 11-09-2008, 02:25 AM
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Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

Some of you may have heard this idea before, but I don't think that it is that well-known. What if FSA was intended to come after ALttP in order to connect it to TLoZ a little better? Ganon dies at the end of ALttP. He is alive at the start of TLoZ. I think that FSA could possibly be the explaination of how Ganon returned.

Now I know this presents a problem. If this theory is correct, then how does Ganon escape the Four Sword between FSA and TLoZ? Well, perhaps we don't need to answer that yet. Let me explain. TMC comes before FS, even though the end of TMC doesn't yield to FS's backstory. Vaati is seemingly killed at the end of TMC. As far as we are aware, he is not sealed inside the Four Sword, as he is in FS's backstory. Since many other plot points of FS's backstory differ from TMC so much, most people don't consider them to be the same. Still, despite the plot holes, most fans consider TMC->FS to be a fact.

The same also applied to ALttP->TLoZ for the longest time. Ganon dies at the end of ALttP, and no mention of his revival or rebirth had ever been mentioned. If this theory of mine is incorrect, then his return between the two games has yet to be explained. Still, most fans consider ALttP->TLoZ to be a fact.

That is why I think that just because we couldn't explain how Ganon would escape the Four Sword, that doesn't mean that the ALttP->FSA->TLoZ theory is so crazy. So what do you think?
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Old 11-09-2008, 02:52 AM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

The Four Sword is found broken in ALttP GBA version.
In FSA, a guy wants to start a thief hideout in Kakariko. In ALttP, that same place is a thief hideout.

FSA comes before ALttP
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:58 PM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

Also, geographically speaking, FSA looks extremely similar to aLttP, but it's fragmented. It looks like a bunch of islands got smooshed together into one big one...which is exactly what the Deku Tree said he was going to do. If FSA is after aLttP, why is it more fragmented and watery?

Also, Ganon is completely destroyed by silver arrows, and his makai [Dark World] completely vanished at the end. So how then is there a Dark World in FSA, and why is Ganondorf able to transform into Ganon by picking up the Trident?

If FSA is before aLttP, then neither of these problems exist.
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:38 PM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

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What if FSA was intended to come after ALttP in order to connect it to TLoZ a little better?
Here's the problem with the theory:

ALttP-FSA-LoZ/AoL

This theory supposes that FSA Ganon is LoZ Ganon, and that LoZ Ganon escapes the Four Sword after FSA. While LoZ Ganon's presence in Hyrule is explained, ALttP Ganon's presence in the Dark World/Sacred Realm is not. Also, Ganon's title of "daimaou" in LoZ does not line up with his title of "yami no maou" in FSA.

LoZ/AoL-FSA-ALttP

This theory supposes that FSA Ganon is ALttP Ganon, and that ALttP Ganon escapes the Four Sword after FSA. While ALttP Ganon's presence in the Dark World/Sacred Realm is explained, LoZ Ganon's presence in Hyrule is not. However, Ganon's title of "yami no maou" in ALttP lines up with the same title in FSA, and OoX can certainly bridge the interim between LoZ and FSA because it explains the change of Ganon's title from daimaou to yami no maou and provides a possibility for why the trident induces a Ganon transformation in FSA.

Thus, it seems that LoZ-OoX serves better as a prequel to FSA than a sequel, and FSA, as people have already explained, doesn't seem to be after ALttP.
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Old 11-10-2008, 06:55 PM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

But Lex, you left out the best order!

FSA-ALttP-LoZ/AoL

I like this because both times Ganon's body explodes, but his soul survives, he comes back the same way. This is how he dies in OoX, which is the last game he is in before FSA, and ALttP. In FSA, he is reincarnated as Ganondorf, and then finds the trident and turns into BG. There is now way of knowing how LoZ Ganon is supposed to be explained with any placement, but if you place LoZ after OoX, the same explanation as in FSA becomes available, giving us an awesome pattern...

1) Explodes (soul survives)
2) Is reincarnated as Ganondorf by power of soulbound trident
3) Finds trident to become BG
4) Explodes (soul survives)
5) Is reincarnated by power of soulbound trident
6) Finds trident to become BG


As you can see, it's awesome and much better than the other two orders.
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:12 PM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

Ganon's soul did not survive aLttP, that's a fact. The omnipotent and omniscient Triforce states that Ganon has been completely destroyed and his Dark World has vanished.

I know you believe that Silver Arrows don't destroy the soul, but that completely unbased and directly contradictary to the games.

Ollathir commented me yesterday and stated that since [in his words] OoX was originally supposed to be after LoZ/AoL, and since Ganon's soul is somehow alive in OoX, that's proof that Silver Arrows don't kill the soul.

However, as I told him, the only reason his soul is "still around" in OoX is because Twinrova performed a revival ceremony. The lighting of the three torches is what revived his soul, and the sacrifice of Twinrova's body is what created his body.

Silver Arrows completely destroy Ganon, body and soul. There is no way for Ganon to exist post-aLttP based on the games we currently have, and there is no indication that is Makai could exist either.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:42 PM
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Silver Arrows completely destroy Ganon, body and soul. There is no way for Ganon to exist post-aLttP based on the games we currently have, and there is no indication that is Makai could exist either.
One gerudo male born every 100 years.

Ganon from LOZ is a new ganon,other gerudo male.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:45 PM
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Ganon from LOZ is a new ganon,other gerudo male
Ganon needs a "Maki" for LoZ to work after ALttP... which he doesn't have.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:47 PM
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Nope he dont, one gerudo male born every 100 years. ganon from LOZ is other gerudo male, like we have other princess zelda or other link in TP for example.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:50 PM
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Nope he dont, one gerudo male born every 100 years. ganon from LOZ is other gerudo male, like we have other princess zelda or other link in TP for example.
We get that. But:

1. We believe their are only two Ganondorfs. The second was born in FSA, which is before LoZ.

2. What the hell does that have to do with what Pinecove said. Just because a new Ganondorf is born doesn't mean he automatically gains a makai. Do you even know what a makai is?

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Nope and i dont care, i perfectly xplain ganon after ALTTP

I mean ALTTP-LA-LOZ-AOL.
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Well you shou... how the **** did I do that? ZU is like on the left side of my screen... Well asuming I'm still typing here and you can read thism a Maki is a rwealm... LoZ Ganon has to have a realm.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:10 PM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

SVB, don't make me look bad. Pinecove, that is still being debated, but we will do that elsewhere.

Erimgard, what reason do you have to believe that the flames had anything to do with Ganon's soul at all?

Wait, never mind. ALttP GBA still has the totally destroyed quote, and it came out after OoX, so OoX can't retcon that. The only games that could retcon it are TWW, FSA, PH, and TP, none of which have anything to do with the SAs. I need to think.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:24 PM
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Re: Four Swords Adventures and Ganon

Alright. I want to be clear on this. The only thing in AST I consider non-canon is the MS, as we are specifically told it goes to sleep forever, and that doesn't seem like a retconnable quote. I do consider the resurrection of Ganon canon, which means that even if his soul is destroyed, it can be revived, like in OoX. This explanation could be used for LoZ Ganon. I've been saying for a long time that I have two possible ways to explain him, resurrection or the FSA situation. Now I've just been limited to the resurrection option. It's all good.
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Well you shou... how the **** did I do that? ZU is like on the left side of my screen... Well asuming I'm still typing here and you can read thism a Maki is a rwealm... LoZ Ganon has to have a realm.

Please dont mix your fan fics with the official timeline.
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ALTTP-LA-LOZ-AOL.
Oh this is so bad for me. If anybody actually has any thoughts about my placement, you're turning them away with every word.
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EXELLENT!!!
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Woah, have you seen Bill and Ted? If you have no idea what I'm talking about just ignore this post.

Oh, and you b****
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Well I can't ignore it now that you called me a ... wait did you just call me a b****?

You Mother F*****!
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YouTube - BS The Legend of Zelda Kodai no Sekiban Ending

As you can see, Ganon isn't in the Sr in that fight... he's in his tower, proving that he can't have a Maki after ALttP.
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