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Old 08-03-2008, 06:49 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Well the reason he believed he should have the throne, was due to his long time loyally serving the family, which he only did because he wanted power and the throne. He was denied because of the power mad look in his eyes. Which drove him to his "god".

He was a bit delusional. Zant is not the sort of person you'd expect to think clearly.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:51 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

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Well the reason he believed he should have the throne, was due to his long time loyally serving the family, which he only did because he wanted power and the throne. He was denied because of the power mad look in his eyes. Which drove him to his "god".

He was a bit delusional. Zant is not the sort of person you'd expect to think clearly.
This all still fits the Omnyoji theory.
An Omnyoji serves the royal family, and has great abilities, but not the power to use them. Thus, they find a god, often an evil one, in order to obtain their power.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:54 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

I hear you touting this theory, but you have absolutely no evidence for it, and I'm not even sure you know what an onmyoji is.

As far as what I've heard some people describe it as, well they are wrong.

I prefer to take it as presented, he was a servant to the house of the royal family, who believed his long term servitude would somehow grant him the gift of succeeding the throne. He was denied because of his lust for power.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:58 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

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I hear you touting this theory, but you have absolutely no evidence for it, and I'm not even sure you know what an onmyoji is.

As far as what I've heard some people describe it as, well they are wrong.

I prefer to take it as presented, he was a servant to the house of the royal family, who believed his long term servitude would somehow grant him the gift of succeeding the throne. He was denied because of his lust for power.
I'm just quoting "MikePetersSucks" from LegendsAlliance on the subject. He studies a lot of Japanese mythology, and I can link you if you'd like.
Basically an Omnyoji:
-Has a high political/spiritual position
-Holds the title of "master of yin and yang" or "master of light and shadow"
-Has the ability to master those elements, but not the power
-Unites with a god/spirit in order to gain these powers
-Becomes soul-bound to their god/spirit, so that if one dies, the other can resurrect him

Zant fits all of these very well, which is why "MikePetersSucks" believes he was based off an Omnyoji.
This explains TPs ending, as in a lot of stories, an Omnyoji realizes their god/spirit is evil, and refuses to resurrect them/be resurrected by them...thus accounting for Zant's symbolic snapping of the neck when Ganondorf is dying.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:02 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

That is not what an Onmyoji is.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:03 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

If you get bored sometime, drop me a PM with your explanation, and/or some links to back it up. I'd like to get your side of the story since I know little of Japanese mythology myself, and am only relying on what I've been told.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:03 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

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That is not what an Onmyoji is.
I can't prove that is the right definition. But you don't seem to be correcting him. Just saying he is wrong.
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Hmm, The official timeline reminds me alot of my original theory. The Rejected Hero of Time.

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Old 08-03-2008, 07:06 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

I always wait to see if someone wants explanation before giving it.

Some do not like being bombarded with information without giving permission first.

There is nothing mythical about Onmyoji. I suppose it would even be too offtopic to explain it all here.

EDIT: I can put it simply: They were fortune tellers. That'd make Fanadi more an onmyoji than Zant was ever shown to be.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:09 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Well, I would like one : )

It's not really off-topic because the Onmyoji theory is pretty widespread.
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Hmm, The official timeline reminds me alot of my original theory. The Rejected Hero of Time.

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Old 08-03-2008, 07:11 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

I edited my post, but I will restate it.

Onmyoji are fortune tellers. Knowing this, Fanadi would be more of an onmyoji than Zant was ever demonstrated to be.

To call Zant an onmyoji is fanfiction. To say that onmyoji possessed any of the qualities described in that theory, is also fanfiction, unless of course, you consider Anime to be non-fiction documentaries on history.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:12 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Like I said, when you get the time, could you give a more detailed explanation and credible links?
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:13 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Hmm, Maybe the original person just had the word wrong. Is there any word that meets the description that Erimgard posted.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:14 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Nothing more detailed to give. They were astrologers and fortune tellers.

I don't know what you think is credible.

There may be Skylark, I know there is likely a creature such as that in Japanese Mythology.

It would take awhile to figure out which it is though.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:20 PM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Well, frankly, it's your word vs Mike's if you don't show me anything to back that up with.
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

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why would he ever expect to be made king?
It's like in Fire emblem. The throne would be chosen by power not relation/blood ties.

On A side note, I beleive Zant to have loved Midna before he met Ganondorf.
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

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They were astrologers and fortune tellers.
While that is true, they did other things as well. I tried to get the link for Onmyodo from Wikipedia, but the link wouldn't work, so here's the article on Abe no Seimei. Though this article comes from Wikipedia, it has a good amount of details.

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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

I sent Erim the info already AG, no worries.

He asked for a private message so I sent one.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:29 AM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

Zant and Midna are not related. As someone has already pointed out, only the true royalty of the Twilight can literally shatter the mirror, not break it into pieces.

Since Zant cannot even shatter it, this prooves that he is nothing more than a lost Twilight walking in the world of light. He is no prince or king.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:31 AM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

^^^

Could you send me a link about these so called 'fortune tellers'?
The Onmyoji theory destroys my Zant theory, so anything that disproves it is interesting for me to read.

A Usurper can still be part of the Royal Family/chosen leaders. Zant was next to be King, by family or not. But he was denied. So he usurped the throne from Midna. Simple as that. The argument that seems to be erupting now is whether the Twili decide their leader by family or by whoever seems the best for the job. I'm assuming the latter; I highly doubt Zant and Midna are related.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:34 AM
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Re: Blood conection between Midna and Zant?

He was not next to be King. End of debate.

He had hopes to be chosen to succeed the throne sheerly because of his long time spent serving the royal family.

The onmyoji theory is wrong, purely because they did not understand what one actually was.
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