heaven hell pole shift theory

both circles are representations of Termina , heaven , hell , stone tower , and the moon.

QUOTE from Majora's mask:
If you shoot that which releases
the sacred golden light into the
blood-stained, red emblem outside
the temple...
it shall rearrange things, in which
the earth is born in the heavens
and the moon is born on the
earth.

That man that said this is a dead guy that has been dead since ancient times , long before the moon started to descend.

imagine that the gods were angry at the terminians for some reason.
a good way to punish them would be to switch heaven and hell.

this is true . when i shoot the red emblem , well what he said was the opposite.

it shall rearrange things, in which
the earth is born in hell (twinmold's lair)
and the moon is born on the
earth (which is now in hell).

I believe there is a strong magnetic force involved in this .
the moon seemed to be very far away from the earth for along time.
mayor Dotour's chair has a image of what appears to be the moon with a happy face.

a tear comes from the moon when link arrives , and i know why.
since hell and heaven were switched , it changed the magnetic polarity , and the moon became attracted to the earth , and so it started to come down , and it was crying because the moon didn't want to kill all the people.
in the end Majora's mask had possessed the moon to go further and eventually , the moon was corrupted entirely.

when you go into stone tower and make everything upside down , you go to hell and fight twin mold.

i believe that hell was sealed until the realms were switched.
when the realms switched , heavens got sealed off , and couldn't allow the good mask "Fierce Deity's mask" to come through and save the universe.

Oni link basically means demon link.
demon also means fallen angel.
since heaven and hell were switched , the angel became a demon , because it had fallen.

fierce deity is originally an angel , but was recently trapped in heaven , so that it couldn't save the world.


because of the polar shift , things are distorted .
snow in a normally warm place.
great bay became different.
swamp was poisoned .
souls in ikana have been corrupted.
alien invasion.
portal to hyrule opened or has been opened for long time.

QUOTE from Majora's mask:
If you shoot that which releases
the sacred golden light into the
blood-stained, red emblem outside
the temple...
it shall rearrange things, in which
the earth is born in the heavens
and the moon is born on the
earth.

isnt a time accurate quote.
we all know what happens is the opposite of what he said.

Natural: the moon is in the heavens and the earth is between heavens and hell.

God manipulation: moon is in hell and the earth is still between heaven and hell.

Natural R.E. Triggered: earth is in heavens , and moon is between heaven and hell.

God manipulation R.E. triggered: earth is in hell , and the moon is between heaven and earth.

even when the moon isn't in hell it still comes down.
this is because earth is in hell.
the balance requires at least one of them to be in heaven or not in hell for one to keep a natural orbit.


to be continued.

I don't think Stone Tower flipping has anything to do with the moon. There's no real evidence for this theory, and Termina doesn't appear to have done anything worthy of punishing. Also, the Fierce Deity doesn't have anything to do with this. It's just a mask that a moon child pulls out of nowhere, and it isn't referenced or hinted to anywhere in the game other than a gossip stone that merely says it exists.

In addition to this, since the Fierce Deity Mask is said to contain a dark power that might be worse than Majora's Mask, there's pretty much no chance that the Fierce Deity was an angel trapped in Heaven that couldn't save the world. Also, if the gods were angry at Termina and wanted to punish it, the Fierce Deity (if he were an angel) would have no reason to save Termina.

I'm pretty sure more things would be happening in Termina if the magnetic polarity were switched, and the Moon's Tear falls simply because Skull Kid tries to hit Link with it after being seen through the telescope.

While you've put a lot of thought into this, this theory doesn't appear to be plausible.

actually i looked into this alot. i studied the text dump thoroughly and everything.

Hmm.. those text dumps can be misleading. Alot of MM is based on context.

"Oni" in japanese is a word used for a type of ogre, or man-beast. In reality, the term is never used in-game (I thought you studied text dumps?). Anyways, in the third TNMT movie (Where they go back in time), the turtles are mistaken for Oni.

As for this whole "heaven hell" thing, the most informative and interesting explanation as to what the stone tower was and why it was built can be found here.

hahaha my theory has more to do with actual facts , not fan fiction.
my idea has more evidence due to actual facts that i have stated.

While I greatly disagree with Dan's theories, I'd have to say that he has more evidence than you Magus.

I don't know about the whole "phallus" symbolism part of Hylian Dan's theory (yeah, the romans did stuff like that at Pompeii, but who's to say the Ikana did?), but I did come to the conclusion that the Tower was some kind of mockery to the goddesses before I even heard of his theory. Never really took the time to research it, though.

Man, that was a looong time ago, back in my "The triforce has four pieces!11!!" days (I couldn't count two years ago).

but still , he backs his evidence up with fictions.
my theory is small therefore it doesn't need much require as much evidence .

Originally Posted by MagusAlexandros

hahaha my theory has more to do with actual facts , not fan fiction.
my idea has more evidence due to actual facts that i have stated.

You need to learn basic grammar, my friend. Sentences always start with capital letters, as does the first person subjective pronoun "I".

Anyways, your theory seems to be a bunch of other people's theories (twinmold's lair being some kind of hell was first apart of Hylian Dan's theory about a year ago), some warped theories on gravity and magnetism (If the moon was being pulled on account of gravometric forces, Majora wouldn't need to help any), and a rushed diagram of how heaven and hell correspond with the moon, smiley faces, and the positive and negative points on a magnet.

In reality, "negative" is the charge that gives currant, and "positive" is the end of a battery that takes it in. Edison mixed it up when he was dabbling in the first batteries. That was easy to do, however, considering all they had to work with was bottled compounds wired together.

[EDIT] All those things you mentioned being the result of this was caused by Majora's Mask and the skull kid. The changing of temperature in Great Bay (Btw, that's how the water was changed, Mr. I have Text Dumps), the blizzard in the mountains, and the poisoning of the swamp were all mischevious acts commited after the Giant that was charged with keeping those things from happening was sealed by the power of Majora's Mask. The Skull Kid was resentful for being abandoned by his old friends, and thought of the four lands of Termina as responsible for taking them away. So, when he was granted the awesome power of Majora's Mask, he set on his quest to "get even" with his old friends. By sealing them away, he was able to cause all kinds of disasters, and the Giants couldn't do anything about it. Also, these things happened after the scull kid got the mask. I believe I remember the composer Sharp saying something about "selling his soul to the devil". Also, Igos du Ikana said something about how "the dead should not wald among the living...". He went on to state "Ever since the entrance to that tower has been opened again...". Who opened it? Skull Kid. Also, the sea caused the zora to ceace the reproduction of their race. All of these things were recent and not caused by the moon. The moon is just another prank to show up the Giants.

Btw, my join date may say "Apr 2008", but this is my third account. I wasn't banned or anything, I just like to have a new face whenever I re-join this site again.

actually I figured all that out before i had even read his theory.
i didnt even know who hylian dan was.

Well, the very start of your thread instantly made me think of his theory. Punishing termina? Well, that's not as original as you might think...

You're theory seems to be a vague re-hash of something I read before... similar to Hylian Dan's theory, but not the same thing. If you ignore the fact that he seems obsessed with phallic symbols, the reasoning and conclusions he comes to seem very similar to yours. I just have a problem with spiritual realms affecting the polarity of a planet.

And, if this thing happened at around the same time that Ikana tower was sealed, then the moon would have already fallen, the zora's would have died out, and the swamp would be turned to desert because all the plants would have died from the poison, thus letting all the water flow out to the sea. All of this would have been done and gone with before link was even alive if you're polarity thing and what it's effects were had any basis in fact.

i either don't know what you are talking about , or you aren't making any sense.

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Never mind.

Nice theory. You shall go far with these brilliant and original ideas.

ive added a little more to the first post.

i hope you mean that , cuz everyone likes to use sarcasm

Actually, I was being a little sarcastic... sorry.

I don't mean to be rude, but you need to be more articulate with you're theory posting. If not, then you look like a n00b, and n00bs aren't really taken seriosusly.

But, on the bright side, you've come to some very interesting and viable conclusions, and that's a pretty good start. I remember when I first started posting things in the theory forums, I was shot down like a seagull with a sign saying "Hello, dumb people!" hanging from it's neck.

Originally Posted by MagusAlexandros

tear comes from the moon when link arrives , and i know why.
since hell and heaven were switched , it changed the magnetic polarity , and the moon became attracted to the earth , and so it started to come down , and it was crying because the moon didn't want to kill all the people

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Very funny dude. Really.

The switch thing only affect the stone tower temple, not all termina.

how would you know? proof?

If you shoot that which releases
the sacred golden light into the
blood-stained, red emblem outside
the temple...
it shall rearrange things, in which
the earth is born in the heavens
and the moon is born on the
earth.

according to this quote , you are incorrect

Is only a metaphore dude.


The moon fall and have evil face because a majoras mask(skull kid) curse.

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Is only a metaphore dude.


The moon fall and have evil face because a majoras mask(skull kid) curse.

This picture seems to show that there is a happy moon.

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that quote? its not a metaphor.
it just means that the earth will trade places with the moon .

the moon already had a face before majoras mask was there.
it was proved in a different thread. By me