Desert Man's Timeline: Chapter II (A few changes)

This is alot like my first timeline, but with a few little changes in it. I had recently obtained all of the Zelda games, and have beaten nearly all of them, which has slightly changed some of my theory

-----{MM]-TP-[LoZ-AoL]
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[OoT}
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-----[TWW-PH]-MC-[FS-FSA]-[ALttP-OoX-LA]



Reasoning:

OoT - Most of you already know the reasons for OoT being first, such as the developers quotes. So this should be rather obvious.

*split in time* - Zelda sends Link back to his childhood at the end of OoT, creating 2 differant timelines. The Child timeline begins with Link meeting Zelda for the first time, warning the king of hyrule of Ganondorf, and having the Triforce of Courage, thus by default giving Ganondorf and Zelda their pieces. The Adult timeline begins after Link was sent back in time, with Ganondorf sealed, and with the Triforce of Courage split into 8 pieces as a result of Link being sent back in time.

Child Timeline:
MM - Logical. It is the sequel to Ocarina of Time. It features Kid Link so it would have to be in the CT. This has no real relation to Ganondorf or the main focus of the timeline.

TP - This has been confirmed to come 100 or more years after OoT. Ganondorf is sealed differantly than at the adult end of OoT, this means that when Link returned from the future as Kid Link, he warned the King of Ganondorf and had him put to death. Which then resulted in Ganondorf not dieing and being sealed in the Twilight Realm. Later TP Link stabs Ganondorf through his chest and kills him.

Post TP, Pre LoZ - This is important, but is a bit of a stretch. In the AoL manual it states that the King of Hyrule had obtained the entire Triforce. He kept the ToW and ToP but hid away the ToC. Then the Kings son cast a spell on Prinsess Zelda with the help of a dark wizard puting her into a deep sleep. Most fans belive that this happens pre-OoT. I don't mainly because though it does say that because of the Princess' deep sleep the prince declared that every daughter born into the royal family will be named Zelda. The main problem with it being pre-OoT is that the King writes in the scroll that impa shows Link, that he kept the ToW and ToP but he hid away the ToC. In OoT the whole Triforce is in the sacred realm and is not hidden. but the ToC is not refound until AoL. So how can the ToC be hidden in a temple, and in the sacred realm at the same time? After TP Ganondorfs piece of the Triforce fades from his hand. My speculation on this is that Link obtains the ToP, and already has the ToC, so I'm assuming that he marries Zelda (which is very controversial due to Ilia) and has the whole triforce. They have 2 kids, and Link hides away the ToC. Then Links son puts Links daughter, Zelda, into a deep sleep.

LoZ - This would have to have a new Link and happen hundreds of years later. There is no Ganondorf as he was killed in TP, but Ganon is still there. Ganon does not have a trident (which will make more sense later) but he does have the ToP, which means that Ganon found the ToP after TP Link died. (I belive that Ganon is a seperate part of Ganondorf as a result of the ToP being obtained by an evil heart. Ganondorf is a mortal man with magic and can be killed by the master sword. but Ganon can only be sealed by the master sword and as seen in ALttP and LoZ Ganon can only be killed by silver arrows.) Ganon then kidnaps the new Zelda. the new Link finds the ToW that was split apart by Zelda then kills Ganon with the silver arrows and takes the ToP. He then rescues Zelda and now has the ToP and ToW.

AoL - the sequal to AoL. Link currantly has the ToW, and ToP. He is then set out to awaken the zelda post-TP/pre-LoZ and must find the ToC that TP Link hid away. Link obtains the ToC and makes his wish to awaken the sleeping Zelda. The triforce then returns to the sacred realm as it always does after making a wish.


Adult timeline:
TWW - this has been comfirmed to come after OoT and is parrallel to TP, therefore there is no real reason to explain it all. the new Link finds the ToC that was split into 8 peices (sounds familiar...Nintendo's getting lazy) Then Ganondorf kidnapps Zelda and Link follows. Ganondorf is able to assemble the Triforce and be owned by Daphnes. King Daphnes makes his wish on the Triforce, which then returns to the sacred realm. Link then stabs Ganondorf in the skull with the Master Sword.

PH - logical. The direct sequel to TWW. Has absolutly no impact on this timeline.

post-PH, pre-TMC - Sometime inbetween these games the Koroks accomplish their goal of uniting all of the islands with thier trees and plants.

TMC - TMC intoduces Vatti who is a vital part of the FS seris. The FS seris' geography seems to be a big landmass with large water areas. most likely from the ocean. TMC also has a referance to "Triumph forks" which are mentioned continuasly by the fish in TWW. In the end Link "builds" the Four Sword.

FS - This game happens a long time after TMC. I haven't beaten this game yet, but I do know at the begining Zelda is telling Link about the Four Sword as in a legend. This means that this does happen after TMC, but with a new Link.

FSA - direct sequel to FS releasing Vatti (again) and now featuring Ganondorf who is known as "a Demon reborn" New Ganondorf basicly, but still the old Ganon. Ganondorf now obtains the Trident of Power in hopes of recapturing the Triforce. This Ganon is now Blue, and has a Tident in his hand. Link must now free 7 maidens and seals Ganon in the Four Sword.

ALttP - this seems like it would be after FSA. This features Trident Blue Ganon as the main villian. Ganon is trapped in the Dark World (or sacred realm after Ganondorf from OoT touched the Triforce. The reason the sacred realm is fine in the CT is because the Triforce was split by time travel and not by an evil heart.) The triforce is also obtained Pre-ALttP by Ganon. The Triforce was untouched until this Game. a new Link is summoned to help Zelda. Zelda is kidnapped by Ganon, or his alter-ego Agamin (I can't spell his name, but you know who he is), Link then obtains the Master sword frees 7 maidens (Damn it Nintendo. FSA is just a rip off of ALttP :XD) and kills Ganon with the silver arrows. This is why I don't have LoZ and ALttP as Ganon is killed by silver arrows in both of them. there would have to be an unexplained resurrection. Link then obtains the entire Triforce and makes his wish. The Triforce remains where it is as it's already in the sacred realm. I'm not sure what his wish it but since it was a wish by a pure heart the sacred realm is returned to normal.

OoX - The Triforce is completed as it is in the end of ALttP. Ganon is dead, and there appears to be large water areas, meaning post-TWW placement. Link travels to two differant regions that I can't spell, and rescues Din and Nayru. Twinrova then revive Ganon, and Link rekills him. This game I had before placed after LA, but now that I have beaten OoX completely I saw at the end that Link sailed away, alone on a boat...

LA - ...leading to the beggining of LA where Link is shipwrecked. Link then enters the dream of the windfish, and faces the final nightmare that takes form of both Ganon, and Agahnim at one point, meaning post-ALttP and post-OoA placement since Link faces Agahnim in both games.


Well that's my timeline theory tell me what you think. I may have left something out, so if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. (and please don't criticize my terrible spelling, or grammer)

I never thought about ALttP/OoX/LA being in the AT. That's an interesting idea. The only problem is that there are some very strong OoX---TMC connections. In TMC, Din and Farore are looking for new homes, saying they are moving away from Labrynna and Holodrum. I think that pretty much says there's supposed to be an OoX---TMC connection. I personally place OoX between PH and TMC, using the TMC backstory to explain how the Triforce got to Hyrule for OoX.

The only real problem is TP---LoZ. I like the explanation. It makes a lot of sense, but I think there's just too much speculation involved to get it to make sense.

A few points:

-We do not know for sure if AoL Link made a wish, or if just the triforces power was enough to awaken zelda
- New discoveries in the MC library point to an Oox-MC progression. There are books with the names of the oracle games on them. And the figurine for the oracles says they are decendents of a long line of priestesses.
-Zelda talks about a demon who was ressurected that weilded a trident in FSA. While this could just be something to explain the trident, I see it as a reference to OoX ganon.
- Alltp Link and OoX link can not be the same if the Master sword is considered cannon. I personnaly think it is.
It is a good timeline and was thought out well. I had something similar until the MC library was translated and Jumbie retranslated some parts of FSA.

Originally Posted by Skylarkff

-We do not know for sure if AoL Link made a wish, or if just the triforces power was enough to awaken zelda

Oh that was my mistake. I ment to take that out. In my old timeline I had OoX in the CT after AoL.

- New discoveries in the MC library point to an Oox-MC progression. There are books with the names of the oracle games on them. And the figurine for the oracles says they are decendents of a long line of priestesses.

I don't really see how the name of a book would really affect timeline placement entirly. I consider that more of an easter egg than anything.

-Zelda talks about a demon who was ressurected that weilded a trident in FSA. While this could just be something to explain the trident, I see it as a reference to OoX ganon.

I guess that's more of an opinion type thing. I belive that the demon mentioned was the creater of the trident, and that FSA ganon and OoX ganon are the same ganon which if OoX ganon is the demon that first had the trident would make him a differant Ganon, or there would be an unexplained resurection.

- Alltp Link and OoX link can not be the same if the Master sword is considered cannon. I personnaly think it is.

I don't belive it's canon because it's an optional item. You don't really need it to beat Ganon.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

I never thought about ALttP/OoX/LA being in the AT. That's an interesting idea. The only problem is that there are some very strong OoX---TMC connections. In TMC, Din and Farore are looking for new homes, saying they are moving away from Labrynna and Holodrum.

I remember them saying that they were moving, but I don't remember a mention of Labrynna or Holodrum. I may be wrong though. That is a good connection, but the main problem with OoX to TMC is that OoX Link was a hero that completed the Triforce. After TWW Link doesn't know where the Triforce went, and when OoX Link goes to the Triforce and is sent to Labrynna and Holodrum.

I think that pretty much says there's supposed to be an OoX---TMC connection. I personally place OoX between PH and TMC, using the TMC backstory to explain how the Triforce got to Hyrule for OoX.

Please explain that a little. The Triforce is not once mentioned in TMC. I'm a little confused with that.

The only real problem is TP---LoZ. I like the explanation. It makes a lot of sense, but I think there's just too much speculation involved to get it to make sense.

Yeah I hear what you're saying with that. It's acctually pretty tricky fitting the AoL backstory in there. I hear what you're saying, there is alot of speculation used in there.

OoX - The Triforce is completed as it is in the end of ALttP. Ganon is dead, and there appears to be large water areas, meaning post-TWW placement. Link travels to two differant regions that I can't spell, and rescues Din and Nayru. Twinrova then revive Ganon, and Link rekills him. This game I had before placed after LA, but now that I have beaten OoX completely I saw at the end that Link sailed away, alone on a boat...

LA - ...leading to the beggining of LA where Link is shipwrecked. Link then enters the dream of the windfish, and faces the final nightmare that takes form of both Ganon, and Agahnim at one point, meaning post-ALttP and post-OoA placement since Link faces Agahnim in both games.



that is a part that i disagree with you on. if you notice the two ships in the games are different. if they were dont you think the ships would be the same?

Originally Posted by michael12268

OoX - The Triforce is completed as it is in the end of ALttP. Ganon is dead, and there appears to be large water areas, meaning post-TWW placement. Link travels to two differant regions that I can't spell, and rescues Din and Nayru. Twinrova then revive Ganon, and Link rekills him. This game I had before placed after LA, but now that I have beaten OoX completely I saw at the end that Link sailed away, alone on a boat...

LA - ...leading to the beggining of LA where Link is shipwrecked. Link then enters the dream of the windfish, and faces the final nightmare that takes form of both Ganon, and Agahnim at one point, meaning post-ALttP and post-OoA placement since Link faces Agahnim in both games.



that is a part that i disagree with you on. if you notice the two ships in the games are different. if they were dont you think the ships would be the same?

You can't always judge on appearance. Graphics, and art styles change over time. Look at ALttP and LA. When LA was first made it was ment to be a direct sequel to ALttP yet ALttP Link has pink hair and LA link has blonde hair.

I don't really count slight apperance changes as canon.

Originally Posted by Desert Man

You can't always judge on appearance. Graphics, and art styles change over time. Look at ALttP and LA. When LA was first made it was ment to be a direct sequel to ALttP yet ALttP Link has pink hair and LA link has blonde hair.

I don't really count slight apperance changes as canon.

ok i noticed the pink but is that really his hair? because in other pictures of the game i have seen his hair is blonde. and if its ment to be a direct sequel to ALTTP then doesnt that mean that it is a sequel to the game

Originally Posted by michael12268

ok i noticed the pink but is that really his hair? because in other pictures of the game i have seen his hair is blonde. and if its ment to be a direct sequel to ALTTP then doesnt that mean that it is a sequel to the game

In the game you play his hair is pink, but in pictures it's blonde. like in oox and la in the game his hair is black, but in the cutscenes it's blonde.

It was originaly ment to be a direct sequel, but new games come out that alter timeline placement.

Yes the ingame sprite of ALttP Link has pink hair, in order to match his pink bunny form. Most artwork however depicts him as a blond.

And about the ships:



Were is this difference you talk about? Exept ofcourse for the sails being taken down because of the storm...

sweet thank you bitterlime.

well... ok i see you are right about that. i always thought that the ship in oracle games was more like a raft. not an actual ship. hmm... ill have to see the ending again. this just may have changed my timeline. ok i just watched the ending. and i may have been wrong. i now think that LA is after the oracles. now i must go and fix my timeline. congrats to you for converting me as it were. lol

and the ships do look very similer actually

Originally Posted by Desert Man

sweet thank you bitterlime.

You're Welcome.

Originally Posted by michael12268

well... ok i see you are right about that. i always thought that the ship in oracle games was more like a raft. not an actual ship. hmm... ill have to see the ending again. this just may have changed my timeline. ok i just watched the ending. and i may have been wrong. i now think that LA is after the oracles. now i must go and fix my timeline. congrats to you for converting me as it were. lol

and the ships do look very similer actually

I'm glad that you see the possible connection, but the stress lies on possible connection. Fell free to come up with other possible placements of the oracle games, sinces the Oracle games are two of those games that have very contadicting hints in itself and can be placed at many points in the timeline.

well ill have to replay them before i can come up with any ideas of that part. but for now ill just stick with the alttp-oox-la part until i replay the games. and that seems to make some sense as to why link was on the ship in the first place and some other minor things that dont need to be mentioned

Originally Posted by bitterlime

sinces the Oracle games are two of those games that have very contadicting hints in itself and can be placed at many points in the timeline.

That is true. OoX can be place in at least 3 differant places. After AoL, after ALttP, and before TMC.

I had recently beaten OoS (linked) and I think after ALttP has the most evidence for placement.

Just a quick word about the books in the Minish Cap library...
It's not just books with the names on it. It's two separate books, one red and one blue, with the Japanese names of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Almost seems like a historical account...especially when you consider that nearby there's a two-book series entitled "History of Hyrule".

yeah,its a good timeline

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Just a quick word about the books in the Minish Cap library...
It's not just books with the names on it. It's two separate books, one red and one blue, with the Japanese names of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Almost seems like a historical account...especially when you consider that nearby there's a two-book series entitled "History of Hyrule".

Originally Posted by me

That is true. OoX can be place in at least 3 differant places. After AoL, after ALttP, and before TMC.

I had recently beaten OoS (linked) and I think after ALttP has the most evidence for placement.

Like I said, I jsut consider that more of an easter egg. I also find more evidence for it to come after ALttP anyway. I need more evidence then two books in a library.

You know that ur telling that to Erimgard,I mean he doesn't say anything he know what hes talking about don't underestimate

Originally Posted by Ite

You know that ur telling that to Erimgard,I mean he doesn't say anything he know what hes talking about don't underestimate

yes, but just because he's a veteran theorist, and one of the smartest one's here, doesn't mean that he's 100% right about everything. I have seen him change his mind about things.

No offense Erimgard. You still know more than most of us.

most of us??? all of us i think