Desert Man's Timeline: Chapter II (A few changes)

Ite, just because I'm respected doesn't mean I'm perfect. If Desert Man considers them cameos, it's very understandable. I just wanted to make sure he knew the full story before he drew his conclusion.
If I have time later, I'll try and give a more in-depth response. I just skimmed this quick, and it looks like a pretty good timeline overall.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Ite, just because I'm respected doesn't mean I'm perfect. If Desert Man considers them cameos, it's very understandable. I just wanted to make sure he knew the full story before he drew his conclusion.
If I have time later, I'll try and give a more in-depth response. I just skimmed this quick, and it looks like a pretty good timeline overall.

Thank you Erimgard.

I can't wait to hear the response. and you have my respect 100%.

but your still one of the best theorists on ZU

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Just a quick word about the books in the Minish Cap library...
It's not just books with the names on it. It's two separate books, one red and one blue, with the Japanese names of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Almost seems like a historical account...especially when you consider that nearby there's a two-book series entitled "History of Hyrule".

It's not a two book series it's a single book called "History of Hyrule", there is however a two-book series about "ancient civilisation(s)" just next to the History book.

Originally Posted by Kenny McCormick

yes, but just because he's a veteran theorist, and one of the smartest one's here, doesn't mean that he's 100% right about everything. I have seen him change his mind about things.

No offense Erimgard. You still know more than most of us.

As we just have seen.;p

Originally Posted by Ite

most of us??? all of us i think

BAWWww, I feel unloved! ;_;

Originally Posted by Ite

but your still one of the best theorists on ZU

Yes he is, without a doubt.

dont worry we love you too bitterlime

Well Desert Man, or Kenny McCormick, this is a very good timeline. In fact, I once was convinced of this exact timeline for almost the exact same reasons. The only thing I have different now from what you have is OoX. And that's only because I consider the OoX MS canon and not a cameo as you seem to. I too have LoZ and ALttP on opposite sides of the timelines in hopes of avoiding an unexplained Ganon resurrection. The only thing that I have to say about this is your placement of OoX. I know that all of the evidences on their own don't count as much, but if you add them all up together, I think that OoX has heavy implications to be connected to MC. Let me talk about this in a little detail now.

In MC, we have the library book references, the oracles coming from a long line of priestesses, and the oracles looking for new homes in Hyrule. In FSA we have a possible, though admittedly not certain, reference to OoX Ganon. In OoX we have the MS. Now, I know that you don't consider it canon but indulge me for a second. In OoX we are told that the Zora elder has had the MS in his possession for 400 years. It was actually this quote that convinced me that the MS was canon, for why would they give us details like that about the MS unless it was meant to be taken as canon? Also if we assume that OoX is between PH and MC, then this gives us a perfect explanation for how the MS was recovered. The Zora elder found it 400 years before OoX, and then in OoA gave it to Link.

We can then assume that Link took it back to Hyrule with him, explaining how it wound up back in the hands of the royal family. Also, in OoA there is a sea that takes up the southern portion of the map. Well, when you go back in time 400 years to ancient Labrynna, that sea takes up more of the map than it did before. This could be the deflooding process occurring, which would again place OoX between PH and MC. Then finally, in FPTRR (which I don't know if you consider canon or not; I'm still unsure whether I do) there are even more references to OoX with the Subrosians. FPTRR also occurs on a series of islands, which would place it sometime during the deflood. If it references OoX then OoX obviously happened before it, so OoX also seems to take place during the deflood with this piece of evidence. Although each one may seem weak and circumstantial on its own, together they make a rather convincing argument I think.

So yeah, overall very good timeline. I agree with everything except for the placement of OoX for reasons detailed above.

Good work.

I love this theory. There is nothing that really makes it impossible and that in my oppinion makes it a good theory. But Aralith I remember the broken sword youget from the Zora elder in the past of OoA being the broken Noble sword. I thought you get the master sword from doing the password stuff.

Originally Posted by 1998thebestyear

I love this theory. There is nothing that really makes it impossible and that in my oppinion makes it a good theory. But Aralith I remember the broken sword youget from the Zora elder in the past of OoA being the broken Noble sword. I thought you get the master sword from doing the password stuff.

That simply depends on the order in which you do things, if you do the password thing first (which means that you get the noble sword in OoS and transfer it to OoA) then the broken sword of the Zora elder is repaired into the master sword.
If you do it the other way around, well then your story happens and you get the master sword in OoS in the lost woods and transfer it to OoA.
That the Zora elder tells you, that the sword once belonged to a famous hero would suggest that the first order is more likley.

WHOA! All this stuff about Erimgard being the best is not true, and I think he will agree. Have you forgotten Humulos? Understandable. Hombre de Mundo? Not understandable. He hasn't been gone that long. I think those two are at least as good as Erimgard.

No offense to Erimgard. Just trying to point out some things.

Now for the theory. I see that you're undecided on OoX.

Why OoX can't go between ALttP and LA
-The MS is in OoX.
-In LA, we learn that Link is at sea for personal training, to to get back to Hyrule from Labrynna or Holodrum.

Why OoX should go before TMC
-Library books (possibly a cameo)
-Din and Nayru are in TMC and you learn that they are looking for new homes, having moved away from Labrynna and Holodrum

Why OoX shouldn't go after AoL
-Zelda seems not to know Link in OoX

Just thought I'd put my two cents in.

Majoraman, I see your two cents, and I'll raise you one more with a question.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

-In LA, we learn that Link is at sea for personal training, to to get back to Hyrule from Labrynna or Holodrum.

I don't understand at all what you are talking about. The bold says why it can go between ALttP and LA.
Also where do we learn that Link is at sea for personal training?

Originally Posted by Majoraman

WHOA! All this stuff about Erimgard being the best is not true, and I think he will agree. Have you forgotten Humulos? Understandable. Hombre de Mundo? Not understandable. He hasn't been gone that long. I think those two are at least as good as Erimgard.

No offense to Erimgard. Just trying to point out some things.

Now for the theory. I see that you're undecided on OoX.

Why OoX can't go between ALttP and LA
-The MS is in OoX.
-In LA, we learn that Link is at sea for personal training, to to get back to Hyrule from Labrynna or Holodrum.

Why OoX should go before TMC
-Library books (possibly a cameo)
-Din and Nayru are in TMC and you learn that they are looking for new homes, having moved away from Labrynna and Holodrum

Why OoX shouldn't go after AoL
-Zelda seems not to know Link in OoX

Just thought I'd put my two cents in.

In OoX Ganon had the trident so it can't go before TMC. Now i know this is a little far fetched but what if the develepers had intended for OoA to come first that 'could' mean that the broken sword you get from the elder zora might have been the Four Sword. So after you defeat Veran you decide to leave in your boat. Which leads to LA. Next could be OoS when you do passwords to get the Noble sword (possibly the four sword) you go into the lost woods and get the Master Sword that was left in Lttp.
So that could it goes Lttp-OoA-LA-OoS. That whole part was something that came from the top of my head. I don't mean for anyone to really take it seriously.

well that would make sense. i was thinking about that earlier. but i couldnt figure out how it would work.

I'm just going to play devil's advocate her for a moment, if you don't mind.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

Why OoX can't go between ALttP and LA
-The MS is in OoX.

Cameo. Not much more I can say.

-In LA, we learn that Link is at sea for personal training, to to get back to Hyrule from Labrynna or Holodrum.

LA actually said that Link left to train in other lands. Those other lands could be a reference to Labrynna and Holodrum.

Why OoX should go before TMC
-Library books (possibly a cameo)

You said it. Cameo. Easter egg. Something like that.

-Din and Nayru are in TMC and you learn that they are looking for new homes, having moved away from Labrynna and Holodrum

Could easily be different Oracles. We are told, after all, that the Oracles come from a long line of priestesses. Perhaps their ancestors moved to Hyrule, and then back between MC and OoX. Also, this reference is quite small, and on it's own doesn't do much for this argument.

Why OoX shouldn't go after AoL
-Zelda seems not to know Link in OoX

Why would they have to be the same Links and Zeldas? An entirely different Link could have an entirely different adventure after AoL. The dead Ganon would also be satisfied with this theory, as he was killed in LoZ. Also, Twinrova never died on the CT, so we don't have a problem with them either.

Okay, done with my devil's advocacy.

Originally Posted by Kenny McCormick

After TP Ganondorfs piece of the Triforce fades from his hand. My speculation on this is that Link obtains the ToP, and already has the ToC, so I'm assuming that he marries Zelda (which is very controversial due to Ilia) and has the whole triforce. They have 2 kids, and Link hides away the ToC. Then Links son puts Links daughter, Zelda, into a deep sleep.

Well, it's speculative, but logical. Fair enough
My question though, why separate it from aLttP?
At the time of it's release, aLttP was stated to be a prequel to LoZ, and in both '98 and '04, Shigeru said he considered aLttP to happen post-LoZ.
Now, I know developer quotes aren't perfect, but in this case LoZ seems to have always been intended to relate to aLttP in some way...whether prequel and or sequel, and Shigeru favors LoZ pre-aLttP.

LoZ - This would have to have a new Link and happen hundreds of years later. There is no Ganondorf as he was killed in TP, but Ganon is still there.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "Ganondorf dies but Ganon lives" philosophy. I tend to think of Ganon/dorf as one entity unless separated by soul-split like in aLttP, but then again, nothing contradicts "Ganon" surviving when Ganondorf dies...and it actually helps me explain LoZ Ganon in my timeline.

TMC - TMC intoduces Vatti who is a vital part of the FS seris. The FS seris' geography seems to be a big landmass with large water areas. most likely from the ocean. TMC also has a referance to "Triumph forks" which are mentioned continuasly by the fish in TWW. In the end Link "builds" the Four Sword.

While "triumph forks" may not be the only reason for you placing MC post-WW, keep in mind that the "triumph forks" thing is the exact same thing as the Oracles reference...a book in the library. If you discount the Oracles book, you have to discount the Triumph Forks book.

This is why I don't have LoZ and ALttP as Ganon is killed by silver arrows in both of them. there would have to be an unexplained resurrection.

Aye, this explains LoZ on the child timeline I suppose. But, if you can have a reincarnation [FSA Ganondorf], then a resurrected Ganon isn't that hard to imagine. WW never explains how Ganon escaped the Seal, so LoZ wouldn't necessarily have to explain how he got resurrected.

OoX - The Triforce is completed as it is in the end of ALttP. Ganon is dead, and there appears to be large water areas, meaning post-TWW placement. Link travels to two differant regions that I can't spell, and rescues Din and Nayru. Twinrova then revive Ganon, and Link rekills him. This game I had before placed after LA, but now that I have beaten OoX completely I saw at the end that Link sailed away, alone on a boat...

Well, by placing OoX here, you're writing off the Master Sword as a cameo.

Overall, great timeline!
Though I currently place LoZ-AoL on the adult timeline [watery Hyrule, relations to aLttP], there's no definite proof for them on the adult timeline.
So my only real complaint is OoX. It's not a bad place for it really, but I just don't like the MS being written off as a cameo...especially since it does a great job of explaining how the MS was recovered after being lost in WW.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Well, it's speculative, but logical. Fair enough
My question though, why separate it from aLttP?
At the time of it's release, aLttP was stated to be a prequel to LoZ, and in both '98 and '04, Shigeru said he considered aLttP to happen post-LoZ.
Now, I know developer quotes aren't perfect, but in this case LoZ seems to have always been intended to relate to aLttP in some way...whether prequel and or sequel, and Shigeru favors LoZ pre-aLttP.

I don't really want to have an unexplained resurection. I do take into account the developers quotes in to account, but since they change all the time I don't always trust them.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "Ganondorf dies but Ganon lives" philosophy. I tend to think of Ganon/dorf as one entity unless separated by soul-split like in aLttP, but then again, nothing contradicts "Ganon" surviving when Ganondorf dies...and it actually helps me explain LoZ Ganon in my timeline.

I belive that Ganon can't be killed with anything exept for silver arrows (LoZ, and ALttP) but Ganondorf can be killed by the master sword (TWW). It may be the triforce that keeps Ganon from dying by anything exept silver arrows, but as seen in ALttP Ganon could only be killed by silver arrows, and he didn't hold the triforce. The Triforce was in a seperate room.

While "triumph forks" may not be the only reason for you placing MC post-WW, keep in mind that the "triumph forks" thing is the exact same thing as the Oracles reference...a book in the library. If you discount the Oracles book, you have to discount the Triumph Forks book.

Yeah, I ment to edit that. that was my bad. TMC is one of those games that I had to put there because it has no other place. I don't belive it goes before OoT, and I can't really find any other place for it. Not good reasoning, but it's the best I have.

Aye, this explains LoZ on the child timeline I suppose. But, if you can have a reincarnation [FSA Ganondorf], then a resurrected Ganon isn't that hard to imagine. WW never explains how Ganon escaped the Seal, so LoZ wouldn't necessarily have to explain how he got resurrected.

Yes it doesn't say how Ganon escaped, but it does say that he did escape. there is nothing in LoZ or ALttP saying that Ganon was resurected. How doesn't really matter, what matters is if it really happened.

Well, by placing OoX here, you're writing off the Master Sword as a cameo.

Yes I am writing it off as a cameo. I don't belive the MS in OoX is canon because you don't need to have it. You can go through the whole game without even a mention of the MS.

Overall, great timeline!
Though I currently place LoZ-AoL on the adult timeline [watery Hyrule, relations to aLttP], there's no definite proof for them on the adult timeline.
So my only real complaint is OoX. It's not a bad place for it really, but I just don't like the MS being written off as a cameo...especially since it does a great job of explaining how the MS was recovered after being lost in WW.

Thank you. I do understand how your resoning of the MS in OoX, and I will think about it. but for right now I'll keep OoX there.