Time may flow faster in Termina

This theory doesn't have too much proof, and I'm probably not the first one to think of it. Maybe it's old news, but I've never heard of it until I thought of it.

I belive that time in Termina may flow faster than time in Hyrule. The reason I thought of this was because of the previews for that movie coming out soon, "The Cronicals of Narnia; Prince Caspian", where it says that 1 year on Earth is 1300 years in Narnia. Pieces started falling together, and these are my main points of proof:

1.) After getting the All-night Mask you are able to listen to Anju's grandma's stories without falling asleep. In the story of the four giants she tells of the four giants living amoung the people in Termina, and then leaving the town. Their friend was very upset with this, and started wreaking havac on the town (please forgive me if I misspell a few words, I'm not the best at spelling, and my fingers seem to be slipping all over the keyboard today.) The towns people then called forth the four giants who then banished their friend. Even if you weren't able to figure out the Skull Kid was thier friend by the story then you find it out at the end of the game, when Skull Kid says that the giants still considered him a friend. Now keep in mind that the four giants banished Skull Kid a long time ago (as said by the Grandma.)

In OoT during the trading sequence you give a little blonde girl in the Lost woods some medicine, and she says that when adults get lost in the lost woods they become stafoes (skeleton warriors, who's name I know but don't know how to spell) but when kids get lost in the lost woods they become Skull Kids. I don't know if lifespans change when kids become skull children, but I'm going to assume that they don't, especialy since there is nothing in the game that says they live longer.

That being said, that means that skull kid would be hundreds of years old during MM. Which, if his life span isn't expanded, would mean that skull kid should be dead. Even if his lifespan is expanded, I doubt that he can live forever. If the skull children could live forever then the lost woods would have skull kids everywhere, instead of only having 3.

Keep all this in mind, because it will be important later.

2.) Technolagy seems to be more advanced in Termina. The telescope is the best example. Look around Hyrule in OoT and tell me if there is anything even remotly close to as advanced as the telescope/observatory. Some people have also said that there are drawings of rockets somewhere in Termina. I don't know if that's true, because I've never seen it, but if it is then even if it's just an idea, it's a pretty advanced idea compared to Hyrule.

so here's the main point of the theory. Long ago there was a child that was friends with the four giants. When the giants left the child became angered and started reaking havac upon Clocktown. The Giants then returned and banished him. The child then went into the lost woods and, guess what, got lost. He then was turned into a skull kid. Link, the Hero of Time, see's a skull kid that wants to know Saria's song. Link teaches the Skull Kid the song, and leaves for his adventure. The Skull Kid then meets the Happy mask salesman and steals Majora's Mask. Skull Kid now with power, returns to Termina, and begins to wreak havac again. He seals away the four giants and summons a giant moon. This would be centuries later in Termina as the Grandma says that the Skull Kid was banished long long ago.

So my theory is that time moves much faster in Termina, than in Hyrule.

points:

Skull Kid is still alive after centuries of banishment.
Technolagy seems to be more advanced.

Like I said there isn't a whole lot of proof, but this is the best I have right now. I may need to edit it later, because I kept on loosing my focus while writing this. Sorry if it was hard to follow.

What does this have to do with a timeline? Nothing.
Is this important at all? Not unless they make another game in Termina
Is this theory acceptable? That is up to you.

EDIT:

Thanks to Jumbie, and Erimgard for some new, and better evidence

Originally Posted by Jumbie

I think the whole backstory of Skull Kid's mischief in Termina would contradict itself unless time in Termina flows a whole lot faster than it does in Hyrule. Look at it this way:

MM begins shortly after the Skull Kid has stolen Majora's Mask from the salesman, when he gets aware of the riding Link in Hyrule's Lost Woods. At this point in time, none of the Skull Kid's terrible deeds that Link will encounter in Termina have been carried out yet, as is later proven by Tatl's surprised comments on all the evils throughout the game.
So the SK jumps down the hole, with Link following only minutes after. When he lands, Epona is already gone - the SK tells it as if he had killed her or so, but later we find out that she somehow made her way to Romani Ranch. Anyway, the SK still hasn't done any harm by then, since Tatl (who is unknowing of his crimes later on) is still with him. Link gets cursed and Tatl is separated from the SK who leaves for Termina.

About 5-7 minutes later, Link also reaches the corridor to Clock Town. After a short talk with the mask salesman who followed Link all the way from the woods, the regular 3-day cycle begins. Seeing as the entirety of the SK's mischief is already in effect at the start of each new cycle, this must have left him with no more than 10 minutes time to mess up all of Termina!
Think about it - befriending the Bomber clan, annoying the astronomer, being thrown out again, stealing Lulu's voice, later on briefing the pirates to steal the eggs Lulu laid after losing her voice, the pirates losing half of them in the stormy sea, Mikau setting out to retrieve them, getting fatally wounded, floating in the sea for a good while before Link first sets foot on the beach...

All of this takes days, not minutes. And this was only one quarter of all that the SK messed up. Certainly he can take advantage of his demonic mask, but he cannot be at five places at once. This means that from the time that the SK disappears until Link goes through the corridor, several hours or days have happened in Termina, while only ten minutes passed in Link's cavern. The other consequence that follows from this is that the twisted corridor - not the black hole - has to be the portal to Termina.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Another thing...Igos Du Ikana talks about darkness and evil flowing from the Stone Tower after the Masked one threw open the doors....so that means one of two things:

1: The Ikanans haven't been dead nearly as long as we thought...only a month maybe?
2: The Ikanans died long ago, as we thought, somehow the evil was stopped, and then Skull Kid re-opened the Stone Tower and let the evil flow again.

It's a possibility for sure, but we can't really say for sure.
Either time flows differently between the two lands, or Skull Kids have an extended life.

I've always found it interesting that the focal point of Terminian culture is all time-related:
Clock Tower as the center piece of the land
Carnival of time
Sun and Moon symbols everywhere
etc..

The same Skull Kid appears in Twilight Princess, which takes place 100 - 150 years after OoT and MM.

Originally Posted by Desert Man

Some people have also said that there are drawings of rockets somewhere in Termina.

Bomb Shop, by the bed. If memory serves, it's a rocket. If it doesn't, then the Goron plans on blowing himself up and sending himself skyrocketing to the moon while it's still in close orbit.

Originally Posted by Desert Man

He seals away the four giants and summons a giant moon.

He didn't summon the "giant moon." No, what he did was force the regular-sized moon, which had been in orbit since nobody-knows-how-long, to come to him. The Observatory dude lets us know that he'd been fascinated or something with the moon since childhood; hence, he did not summon the moon.

We don't know if it's the same Skull Kid in Twilight Princess or not.

I'm 97% certain that it's the same Skull Kid. I'd give you quotes to certainify my claims, but I... umm... well, I don't have very many from TP. Sorry. However, I can say with relative certainty that he is the same one.
Evidence on hand:
1) He plays a remix of Saria's Song, which he heard from us in Lost Woods.
a) We did not teach it to him, as memory serves; he heard us play it and recognized it as Saria's Song, then said that we should be friends.
2) He refers to our "battle" as "playing".
Counterevidence:
1) He is summoned by Zelda's Lullaby at the Howling Stone. He could be Link turned into a Skull Kid.
2) He wears Kokirish clothing, but red. He may just be a more recent Kokiri turned into a Skull Kid.

Originally Posted by Kokiri Mage7

He didn't summon the "giant moon." No, what he did was force the regular-sized moon, which had been in orbit since nobody-knows-how-long, to come to him.

The falling moon is too small to be seen if it were in orbit. It also becomes a rainbow at the end of the game, so whether it's the actual moon or not is debatable.

Anyway, the Skull Kids appear to live forever, trapped in a child state to boot. They apparently don't need to eat or sleep, and there's a good chance that the Skull Kid from TP is the same Skull Kid from MM. Considering the magical nature of the Lost Woods, it isn't farfetched to believe that Skull Kids are semi-immortal.

Crap! I was working on this too. The similarities between your post and the one I was planning are uncanny.

Yes, in stories, time often flows differently in different dimensions, but as Erimgard said, we don't really have any proof for Termina's time flowing differently. Your points were interesting, but they didn't prove the theory. That's why I hadn't posted this yet. I couldn't find anything really good to back it. I toyed around with the possibility of games happening in Hyrule during MM, but as Link is in Termina and Ganon is in the Twilight Realm, nothing worked. I don't think this means anything.

Oh yeah, if time in Termina does flowed differently, it wouldn't affect Hyrule, because in most stories people come back from alternate dimensions at the exact time they went into them. No time has passed in their own world. This is probably the case with MM.

Anyway, I do agree that time might flow differently in Termina. There's no proof, but it would explain a lot.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

The falling moon is too small to be seen if it were in orbit. It also becomes a rainbow at the end of the game, so whether it's the actual moon or not is debatable.

I'm assuming that's why he used a telescope. As for its realness, I'd have to assume that it didn't TURN into a rainbow, but used the rainbow like how God did at the end of Noah's flood, to symbolize that it wouldn't happen again... I hope.

In Termina, when one hour passes by, it takes only one minute in our world.
In Hyrule, when one hour passes by, it takes less then one minute in our world. Hyrule time passes by quicker than Termina time. You can check the exact number of seconds it takes for one hour to pass by in OoT by hitting gossip stones.

But I am comparing it to real time statistics as opposed to staying in the zelda universe, so my idea may not be good enough.

I like the TC's Theory though

Proof of the Skullkid's not aging: These Skullkids are still around when you're an adult (in OoT). They didn't change, other than wanting to kill you... BTW, am I crazy or is it that they are undead? Or at least, the game hints at that. The flesh on TP's Skullkid is... zombie-ish (or should I say redead-ish). And all the while it seems that this is what happens to a person who is lost in the Lost Woods, who cannot get home or even find food that doesn't seem to be attacking you... Nintendo is very careful about its placement of the words associated with death, even post-ESRB, maybe they were avoiding saying that children can die.

Good theory, though, keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Deku Prince

Proof of the Skullkid's not aging: These Skullkids are still around when you're an adult (in OoT). They didn't change, other than wanting to kill you... BTW, am I crazy or is it that they are undead? Or at least, the game hints at that. The flesh on TP's Skullkid is... zombie-ish (or should I say redead-ish). And all the while it seems that this is what happens to a person who is lost in the Lost Woods, who cannot get home or even find food that doesn't seem to be attacking you... Nintendo is very careful about its placement of the words associated with death, even post-ESRB, maybe they were avoiding saying that children can die.

Umm... dude... at least I'm assuming your a dude by your name... but... umm... Well, they're not quite dead. Their "skin" resembles the bark of a tree. Also, they wear tattered clothes, but all the clothes are the same, so we can assume that it's more like common wear, like Kokiri clothes.

Originally Posted by SevenYears

In Termina, when one hour passes by, it takes only one minute in our world.
In Hyrule, when one hour passes by, it takes less then one minute in our world. Hyrule time passes by quicker than Termina time. You can check the exact number of seconds it takes for one hour to pass by in OoT by hitting gossip stones.

But I am comparing it to real time statistics as opposed to staying in the zelda universe, so my idea may not be good enough.

I like the TC's Theory though

I never would have thought of that. I don't think it proves this, but it's still a good idea.

Like I said I don't have too much proof.

but I don't understand how you can think that the skull kids from OoT/MM and TP are the same.

1.) They look nothing alike...at all. Not the slightest resemblance other than clothes MAYBE.

2.) They play differant instruments. OoT SK plays a flute, and TP SK plays a wierd 5 horn thing.

3.) They have differant views on adults. OoT SK hate's adults and attacks them. TP SK just wanted to play with Link, not fight him.


Also I belive that the moon is not the real moon, considering it has a giant face on it, and the fact that it turns into a rainbow when Majora is defeated. Which if that was the real moon would really jack up the ocean, considering that the moon is missing.
The moon isn't really important to the theory at all.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

Your points were interesting, but they didn't prove the theory

acctually I don't think there is really any possible way to prove or dissprove this theory.

Like I said I don't have too much proof.

but I don't understand how you can think that the skull kids from OoT/MM and TP are the same.

1.) They look nothing alike...at all. Not the slightest resemblance other than clothes MAYBE.

The ones fro OoT and MM are identical. I do not believe the one from TP is tha same at all.

2.) They play differant instruments. OoT SK plays a flute, and TP SK plays a wierd 5 horn thing.

I used that same point in my argument for TP SK being different.

3.) They have differant views on adults. OoT SK hate's adults and attacks them. TP SK just wanted to play with Link, not fight him.

Don't know what you're saying there.

Also I belive that the moon is not the real moon, considering it has a giant face on it, and the fact that it turns into a rainbow when Majora is defeated. Which if that was the real moon would really jack up the ocean, considering that the moon is missing.
The moon isn't really important to the theory at all.

Never thought of the ocean thing.

acctually I don't think there is really any possible way to prove or dissprove this theory.

Probly right.

Desert Man, I agree that time flows faster in Termina, albeit for a different reason than you do.

I think the whole backstory of Skull Kid's mischief in Termina would contradict itself unless time in Termina flows a whole lot faster than it does in Hyrule. Look at it this way:

MM begins shortly after the Skull Kid has stolen Majora's Mask from the salesman, when he gets aware of the riding Link in Hyrule's Lost Woods. At this point in time, none of the Skull Kid's terrible deeds that Link will encounter in Termina have been carried out yet, as is later proven by Tatl's surprised comments on all the evils throughout the game.
So the SK jumps down the hole, with Link following only minutes after. When he lands, Epona is already gone - the SK tells it as if he had killed her or so, but later we find out that she somehow made her way to Romani Ranch. Anyway, the SK still hasn't done any harm by then, since Tatl (who is unknowing of his crimes later on) is still with him. Link gets cursed and Tatl is separated from the SK who leaves for Termina.

About 5-7 minutes later, Link also reaches the corridor to Clock Town. After a short talk with the mask salesman who followed Link all the way from the woods, the regular 3-day cycle begins. Seeing as the entirety of the SK's mischief is already in effect at the start of each new cycle, this must have left him with no more than 10 minutes time to mess up all of Termina!
Think about it - befriending the Bomber clan, annoying the astronomer, being thrown out again, stealing Lulu's voice, later on briefing the pirates to steal the eggs Lulu laid after losing her voice, the pirates losing half of them in the stormy sea, Mikau setting out to retrieve them, getting fatally wounded, floating in the sea for a good while before Link first sets foot on the beach...

All of this takes days, not minutes. And this was only one quarter of all that the SK messed up. Certainly he can take advantage of his demonic mask, but he cannot be at five places at once. This means that from the time that the SK disappears until Link goes through the corridor, several hours or days have happened in Termina, while only ten minutes passed in Link's cavern. The other consequence that follows from this is that the twisted corridor - not the black hole - has to be the portal to Termina.

Originally Posted by Kokiri Mage7

I'm 97% certain that it's the same Skull Kid. I'd give you quotes to certainify my claims, but I... umm... well, I don't have very many from TP. Sorry. However, I can say with relative certainty that he is the same one.
Evidence on hand:
1) He plays a remix of Saria's Song, which he heard from us in Lost Woods.
a) We did not teach it to him, as memory serves; he heard us play it and recognized it as Saria's Song, then said that we should be friends.
2) He refers to our "battle" as "playing".
Counterevidence:
1) He is summoned by Zelda's Lullaby at the Howling Stone. He could be Link turned into a Skull Kid.
2) He wears Kokirish clothing, but red. He may just be a more recent Kokiri turned into a Skull Kid.

I also think he's the same Skull Kid from MM. The thing with Zelda's Lullaby I explain that way: The royal family (OoT Zelda) enlisted him after MM to show a future hero the way to the Temple of Time ruins. Why else would he be called by howling the royal melody?

Originally Posted by Jumbie

Desert Man, I agree that time flows faster in Termina, albeit for a different reason than you do.

I think the whole backstory of Skull Kid's mischief in Termina would contradict itself unless time in Termina flows a whole lot faster than it does in Hyrule. Look at it this way:

MM begins shortly after the Skull Kid has stolen Majora's Mask from the salesman, when he gets aware of the riding Link in Hyrule's Lost Woods. At this point in time, none of the Skull Kid's terrible deeds that Link will encounter in Termina have been carried out yet, as is later proven by Tatl's surprised comments on all the evils throughout the game.
So the SK jumps down the hole, with Link following only minutes after. When he lands, Epona is already gone - the SK tells it as if he had killed her or so, but later we find out that she somehow made her way to Romani Ranch. Anyway, the SK still hasn't done any harm by then, since Tatl (who is unknowing of his crimes later on) is still with him. Link gets cursed and Tatl is separated from the SK who leaves for Termina.

About 5-7 minutes later, Link also reaches the corridor to Clock Town. After a short talk with the mask salesman who followed Link all the way from the woods, the regular 3-day cycle begins. Seeing as the entirety of the SK's mischief is already in effect at the start of each new cycle, this must have left him with no more than 10 minutes time to mess up all of Termina!
Think about it - befriending the Bomber clan, annoying the astronomer, being thrown out again, stealing Lulu's voice, later on briefing the pirates to steal the eggs Lulu laid after losing her voice, the pirates losing half of them in the stormy sea, Mikau setting out to retrieve them, getting fatally wounded, floating in the sea for a good while before Link first sets foot on the beach...

All of this takes days, not minutes. And this was only one quarter of all that the SK messed up. Certainly he can take advantage of his demonic mask, but he cannot be at five places at once. This means that from the time that the SK disappears until Link goes through the corridor, several hours or days have happened in Termina, while only ten minutes passed in Link's cavern. The other consequence that follows from this is that the twisted corridor - not the black hole - has to be the portal to Termina.


I also think he's the same Skull Kid from MM. The thing with Zelda's Lullaby I explain that way: The royal family (OoT Zelda) enlisted him after MM to show a future hero the way to the Temple of Time ruins. Why else would he be called by howling the royal melody?

I agree that what SK did would have taken more than a few minutes, but it's not as if the time between SK reaching Termina and Link reaching Termina was only a few minutes. It would have had to been at least a few hours, because even though it only takes a few minutes to play that section, it's much longer in Termina. A few minutes of playtime is a few hours in Termna. So SK would have had time to do those things. It really wouldn't take more than a few hours. T

Interesting points Jumbie...
Time would have to be considerably faster when you consider that Kafei was turned into a child a month before Link arrived.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Interesting points Jumbie...
Time would have to be considerably faster when you consider that Kafei was turned into a child a month before Link arrived.

I can see you're ignoring me. Erm, go back to Jumbie's thread and see what I wrote. I'm not insane anymore.

Truthfully, I haven't beaten MM. I don't even know who Kafei is. How does the turning into a child thing work exactly?

We posted at about the same time. I wasn't ignoring you

Kafei is [my favorite character] a man who is supposed to marry Anju, the Inkeeper, in 4 days...however the world is ending in 3 days. Anyway, his mother [the mayor's wife] tells you he has gone missing a month ago. When you find him, you see he has been turned into a young child by Skull Kid.
I doubt Skull Kid could have done that without Majora's Mask, so that means he's had the mask for at least a month Termina time.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

I can see you're ignoring me. Erm, go back to Jumbie's thread and see what I wrote. I'm not insane anymore.

Truthfully, I haven't beaten MM. I don't even know who Kafei is. How does the turning into a child thing work exactly?

but MM was the best of the series..