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My Timeline

(NOTE: I will provide evidence for each placement. Much of it is circumstantial. I am aware that much of it is circumstantial.)

Timeline

Adult Timeline: OoT - TWW/PH - LoZ/AoL - OoS/OoA - TMC - FS/FSA - ALttP/LA
Child Timeline: MM - TP


Other axioms:
  1. The Sleeping Zelda story happens long before the Triforce of Courage is hidden. The Triforce of Courage is hidden by Daphnes at the end of The Wind Waker, in anticipation of a new king to unite the people.
  2. Ocarina of Time is the Imprisoning War told of in A Link to the Past.
  3. The wars that occur before A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess are all the same set of wars.
  4. The Dark Mirror first seen in Four Swords Adventures is the same mirror as the Mirror of Twilight in Twilight Princess. By default, the dark tribes referred to in these stories are the same tribe.
  5. The descendants of the Hylians “settle in various parts of the world” as a consequence of the Great Flood.
  6. The ruined Cobble Kingdom seen in Phantom Hourglass is the northern area of the Hyrule kingdom from The Adventure of Link. These islands are the “new land” discovered after The Wind Waker.
  7. The Cobble tribe is made up of the ancestors of the Zuna tribe from Four Swords Adventures.
  8. The Great Deku Tree will eventually connect the islands of the Great Sea together, and the resulting land will be settled and annexed into the New Hyrule.
  9. The sage lineages eventually pass back into the hands of the descendants of the Hylians, and the ancient legends of the Imprisoning War sages survive the passing of generations.
  10. The Ganon seen in A Link to the Past and Four Swords Adventures is a different Ganon from the one from the Imprisoning War. This different Ganon is sealed in the Dark World along with the Four Sword at the end of Four Swords Adventures and steals the Triforce from there after escaping the Four Sword in the Pyramid of Power.

Placement Evidence

OoT-TWW/PH
  • "Hero of Time" legends in The Wind Waker obviously reference Ocarina of Time. In tandem with referencing Ganon's escape from the Sacred Realm and designating Ganon as the "same Ganon" who took the Triforce and was defeated by the Hero of Time, we see that the two games are obviously closely related.
  • Quote:
    Q: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
    Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
    Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
    Aonuma: From the end.
    Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
    Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
    Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

TWW/PH-2D games
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  • Phantom Hourglass features a number of enemies never-before seen outside of 2D games, including most notably the River Zoras (since River Zoras have storyline significance).
  • Phantom Hourglass features Maze Island from The Adventure of Link, as well as two continents located nearby that correspond roughly to the two islands from The Adventure of Link, which themselves are north of Goron Island. From these points of reference, we can connect the map of Phantom Hourglass to that of The Adventure of Link by considering the Maze Islands the same, the Cobble Kingdom as the islands, and Goron Island as Death Mountain.
  • The Wind Waker ends on the note that a new kingdom will be established. If this new kingdom is the kingdom seen in The Adventure of Link, we reconcile the differences between the first two games and the rest of the series, something that no other placement can do.
  • The Wind Waker also reveals that the Deku Tree will unite the islands, which, if he unites the islands that were the mountaintops of Hyrule, would result in a continent that roughly resembles Hyrule.
  • The Zelda naming tradition seems to exist in The Wind Waker, which may indicate the Sleeping Zelda story as preceding it.
  • Phantom Hourglass is the only main series game to reference the Four Sword trilogy. (Excepting Twilight Princess, which eventually destroys the reference in question.)
  • The Minish Cap features a pair of books entitled "Triumph Forks," which is a deformation of "Triforce" that appears in The Wind Waker, presumably as a result of the knowledge of the Triforce being lost after the flood.
  • The Minish Cap features a pair of books entitled "The History of Hyrule," which is the name given to the Japanese version of the original A Link to the Past prologue, which describes the Imprisoning War. If taken as a reference to that particular story, this, taken with the previous bit of evidence, would indicate that the Imprisoning War story survived the flood.
  • Quote:
    NP: Where do all the Zelda games fall into place when arranged chronologically by their stories?

    M: Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past.

    Lex's note: Even at the time, nothing specifically contradicted this, and nothing has arisen since to do so. In fact, evidence since has only proven that A Link to the Past is distanced from Ocarina of Time, which was the usual objection in the first place.
  • Quote:
    Q: I think I'm right in saying the new Zelda takes place before the
    other Zelda games, right?

    Miyamoto: I'm not that deeply involved in the Zelda project, but that is actually the case. We have decided that the setting for the game is that it is kind of near the beginning.

    Lex's note: "Before the other Zelda games" need not indicate all other Zelda games, and "near the beginning" need not indicate that it is first.

    Lex's note 2: Others will likely indicate an interview in which Miyamoto tells Nintendo Power that the "latest Zelda" is the first game in an attempt to minimize this quote's credibility. The interview in question takes place in July 2002, so the "latest Zelda" is technically Four Swords, which was unveiled in May of that year at E3, and which we know was originally placed at the beginning from an Aonuma interview. Roundtable questions (such as the one quoted here), however, would be prepared before the interview, in which case the quoted question could only refer to Wind Waker. Other context in the July interview supports the conclusion that it refers to Four Swords, not Wind Waker, but obviously no one can be certain since Miyamoto does not specify. PM me for more details.

LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA
  • There are active plans to revive Ganon after The Legend of Zelda, and the Oracles game feature such a plan.
  • The Triforce is united and in the main palace of Hyrule, a state that only The Adventure of Link truly and directly allots for.

OoS/OoA-TMC
  • The Oracles have moved to Hyrule from their respective lands in The Minish Cap.
  • The Minish Cap's library features books with the same titles as the Japanese versions of the Oracles games.

FSA-ALttP/LA
  • The maiden tradition already exists in Four Swords Adventures, and the maidens have strong powers (while the maidens in Link to the Past are said to have lost much of their ancestors' power),
  • Four Swords Adventures provides the only other canonical condition for Ganon being sealed besides Ocarina of Time, and such a condition is necessary for Link to the Past to take place.
  • Buildings that appear intact in Four Swords Adventures are in ruins in A Link to the Past.

MM-TP

Quote:
–When does Twilight Princess take place?

Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.

–And the Wind Waker?

Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time. In the last scene of Ocarina of Time, kids Link and Zelda have a little talk, and as a consequence of that talk, their relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction. In the middle of this game [Twilight Princess], there’s a scene showing Ganon’s execution. Link and Zelda left him be and he then did something outrageous, so it was decided that he should be executed. That scene takes place several years after Ocarina of Time. Ganon was sent to another world and now he wants to obtain the power...
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Well, I don't agree with everything you believe Lex [glances at Sleeping Zelda concept] but we share the same timeline. I have no complaints.
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On the hat point:

While it'd be nice to have a solid narrative, the Sleeping Zelda story firmly establishes itself as an origins story, and the results of this origin story are at the center of the game's events.

Contrast with The Minish Cap, which carries implications of origins (the hat), but the origin idea itself is not at the center of the plot, but serves the story only in that it provides a hatless hero to gain a talking hat as a mentor.
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By assuming Sleeping Zelda is the first post-flood Zelda [where we are not told/shown if any such naming tradition exists] then Sleeping Zelda can still be an origin story.
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Potentially, yes.
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The sleeping princess zelda story only happends in TLOZ and AOL.
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The sleeping princess zelda story only happends in TLOZ and AOL.
I takes place sometime before LoZ. How long before is not specified.
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I takes place sometime before LoZ. How long before is not specified.

I know that the princess fall into that spell before TLOZ,
i say that the sleeping princess zelda is only the backstory of TLOZ and AOL, not of another zelda game.

How long before! doesnt matter, because is only for these two games.
can't be the backstory 4 another game because the ToC was hide in the great palace since the king of hyrule put it inside the great palace, so you know that the triforce of courage is founden by link in AOL.

Nothing happends between the wizard put the spell upon princess zelda and TLOZ-AOL. no one game can be placed here.
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i say that the sleeping princess zelda is only the backstory of TLOZ and AOL, not of another zelda game.
It could be, but I could say the same of the creation story, which is the backstory of ALttP, OoT, and TP.
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It could be, but I could say the same of the creation story, which is the backstory of ALttP, OoT, and TP.
The creation story of OOT is only 4 OOT-MM-WW-PH and TP

The creation story of ALTTP is only 4 ALTTP-KNS(Kodai no sekiban)-LA-TLOZ and AOL.
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The creation story of OOT is only 4 OOT-MM-WW-PH and TP

The creation story of ALTTP is only 4 ALTTP-KNS(Kodai no sekiban)-LA-TLOZ and AOL.
They're the same story.

And the creation story of ALttP shouldn't be for LoZ and AoL, neither should it be for OoT, MM, TWW, PH, or TP, but it is for all of these.
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They're the same story.

And the creation story of ALttP shouldn't be for LoZ and AoL, neither should it be for OoT, MM, TWW, PH, or TP, but it is for all of these.
Nope, are storys of differnt chronologys.

One is the creation story of the classic chronology(ALTTP-KNS-LA-TLOZ-AOL)

And the other is the creation story of the modern Chronology
OOT-MM-TP
OOT-WW-PH
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Nope, are storys of differnt chronologys.
The stories are identical.
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The stories are identical.
You won't get anywhere with that Lex.
Smallville is completely convinced there are [at last] three completely separate chronologies that do not affect each other.
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The stories are identical.
very very similar but not identical.
Also i give u a example, can exist two balls, the same kind of balls, but one is juan's ball and the other is Pedro's Ball.
See! we have two diferent balls.
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Nope, are storys of differnt chronologys.

One is the creation story of the classic chronology(ALTTP-KNS-LA-TLOZ-AOL)

And the other is the creation story of the modern Chronology
OOT-MM-TP
OOT-WW-PH
Most people here don't believe in multiple "chronologys" So it is kind of pointless to agrue it here. It fits just fine into the one timeline (split of course)


To Lex: Great job. I have recently accepted the same timeline, but you have added more evidence for it than I could ever find.
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Hmm, The official timeline reminds me alot of my original theory. The Rejected Hero of Time.

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very very similar but not identical.
Deities of Power, Wisdom, and Courage created the world and left the Triforce to govern it. Their chosen people are the Hylians. Wars broke out. Ganondorf took the Triforce and was sealed by the seven sages.

This is effectively what ALttP says. Find a detail that contradicts OoT.
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very very similar but not identical.
Also i give u a example, can exist two balls, the same kind of balls, but one is juan's ball and the other is Pedro's Ball.
See! we have two diferent balls.
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Deities of Power, Wisdom, and Courage created the world and left the Triforce to govern it. Their chosen people are the Hylians. Wars broke out. Ganondorf took the Triforce and was sealed by the seven sages.

This is effectively what ALttP says. Find a detail that contradicts OoT.
very similar but not identical.

-in OOT ganin took only the triforce of power in ALTTP took the enteire triforce

-in OOT ganin go outside of the sacred realm and stablish dominion over hyrule 4 seven years, in ALTTP ganin always be in the sacred realm, in the end link kill ganin.

WW is the OOT secuel, ALTTP isnt.

So! ALTTP and OOT havn't chronological conetion.
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-in OOT ganin took only the triforce of power in ALTTP took the enteire triforce

-in OOT ganin go outside of the sacred realm and stablish dominion over hyrule 4 seven years, in ALTTP ganin always be in the sacred realm.

WW is the OOT secuel, ALLTP isnt.

So! ALTTP and OOT havn't chronological conetion.
1) ALttP never says Ganon took the entire Triforce.
2) ALttP was remade in 2002 and never said that Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm in the new version, but obviously makes connections to the Four Sword saga and patches up translation issues with the IW to match OoT.
3) ALttP isn't a sequel. OoT is a prequel. Even if ALttP doesn't match OoT, OoT is the more recent, and therefore the more correct.
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