My Timeline

Originally Posted by 1998thebestyear

i agree for the most part with your timeline. But there is something i am not sure of. Ganon had the trident in OoX didn't he? If so how could it take place before FSA?

There was a mistranslation in FSA about ganondorf being "an evil demon reborn." It was supposed to say something along the lines or the trident belonging to an ancient demon who was ressurected. The oracles are the only games we see Ganon revived. So the orginal ganon had the trident, died, was ressurected, killed again. Then the new ganondorf in FSA comes along and gets it and is ready to be the king of darkness.

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

Note that the maidens place a seal on the Four Sword at the end of FSA, and the Four Sword is broken in the Pyramid of Power in the GBA remake of ALttP.

Yes. Sleeping Zelda is kept at the beginning in order to maintain as much of the original intent as possible. Personally I see the meaning of the Sleeping Zelda story as having more importance than the rest of the backstory (in terms of impact on other games), but the Triforce obviously can't be where it is in AoL after OoT. So, like the IW and ALttP, the Sleeping Zelda story and the hiding of the Triforce of Courage are split up.

Unlike the IW, however, Sleeping Zelda could come later, and I acknowledge that. I just see a naming tradition present in TWW and so I consider them one and the same for the sake of simplicity.

1) The maidens seal away the Four Sword at the end of FSA, and this seal is identical to an old official art depiction of Ganon sealed in the ALttP seal, which in turn inspired one of the stained glass windows in Hyrule Castle depicting Ganon's seal. I'd say, based on the comparison, that the Four Sword was sealed in the Sacred Realm.
2) See above.
3) The Triforce has to go back to the Sacred Realm sometime after OoT for ALttP to happen. This could happen in either TWW, AoL, or OoS/OoA.
4) No appearance doesn't mean they are gone; they weren't even conceptualized yet.
5) See above.
6) FSA retcons ALttP.
7) Actually, this is unnecessary.
8) See OoS/OoA.
9) They were sealed by the maidens at the end of FSA. Agahnim opens new portals to the Dark World that are not Moon Gates.
10) See 4.
11) See above.

Okay for one thing, that wasn't originally posted by Skylarkff. It was me. Also, what part of "above" am I supposed to see. There's a lot of above in this thread.

1) Getting a little carried away there. Obviously, the sword was not sealed in the SR, because we can still see it in its pedestal after it was sealed.
2) Where?
3) Yes, the Triforce went back to Hyrule as the Lightforce. The problem is how it got back to the SR.
4) So? Why didn't Nintendo put them in the GBA version then?
5) Where?
6) Sorry, I don't know what retcon means.
7) Erm...no. Agahnim killed the king. Where did the king come from? Did Hyrule just decide it wanted a king again?
8) Don't have OoX, so I can't see it whenever I want.
9) Based on what?
10) So you're saying that when the Gerudo disappeared, the Pyramid they built disappeared too? Wow. Two inconsistencies in one aspect.
11) Where?

Your turn.

Originally Posted by Skylarkff

There was a mistranslation in FSA about ganondorf being "an evil demon reborn." It was supposed to say something along the lines or the trident belonging to an ancient demon who was ressurected. The oracles are the only games we see Ganon revived. So the orginal ganon had the trident, died, was ressurected, killed again. Then the new ganondorf in FSA comes along and gets it and is ready to be the king of darkness.

Yeah, if you believe Jumbie. And even if Jumbie's translation is perfect, all that is unclear. The english translation doesn't make enough sense for us to be sure enough about to theorize on it. Ergo, NoA is helping us by translating the Japanese differently so that it makes enough sense for theorizing, and we should disregard the Jumbie version.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

1) Getting a little carried away there. Obviously, the sword was not sealed in the SR, because we can still see it in its pedestal after it was sealed.

Yes, but it was put in the Sacred Realm after. In the GBA A Link to the Past, the Four Sword is broken in the Dark World.

And when he says "see above", he's referring to the previous point.

7) Erm...no. Agahnim killed the king. Where did the king come from? Did Hyrule just decide it wanted a king again?

Is it such a stretch to think another male was born into the Royal Family and became king?

Originally Posted by Majoraman

Yeah, if you believe Jumbie. And even if Jumbie's translation is perfect, all that is unclear. The english translation doesn't make enough sense for us to be sure enough about to theorize on it. Ergo, NoA is helping us by translating the Japanese differently so that it makes enough sense for theorizing, and we should disregard the Jumbie version.

Hey, I often go by NoA's translations, too.

But there's no reason to disregard translations by a trusted translator.

I mean, why not look at what both NoA and Jumbie have said? Afterall, if one is to comprehend the great mystery, one must examine all it's aspects.

Originally Posted by Casual Matt

Yes, but it was put in the Sacred Realm after. In the GBA A Link to the Past, the Four Sword is broken in the Dark World.

And when he says "see above", he's referring to the previous point.



Is it such a stretch to think another male was born into the Royal Family and became king?



Hey, I often go by NoA's translations, too.

But there's no reason to disregard translations by a trusted translator.

I mean, why not look at what both NoA and Jumbie have said? Afterall, if one is to comprehend the great mystery, one must examine all it's aspects.

I don't trust sith lords, but I agree with you. I go by NoA translations if I don't know a more accurate translation, like Jumbie's. I actually think Jumbie can be trusted now.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

Okay for one thing, that wasn't originally posted by Skylarkff. It was me.

I think I missed something while I was at work. What wasn't posted by me originally. I went back in the thread and I couldn't see what you were talking about. Maybe I am just tired...

Originally Posted by Skylarkff

I think I missed something while I was at work. What wasn't posted by me originally. I went back in the thread and I couldn't see what you were talking about. Maybe I am just tired...

Yeah, you look tired. (glances at avatar picture) It's no big deal.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

Yeah, you look tired. (glances at avatar picture) It's no big deal.

Yeah it is from an old VGcats comic. Had to do with Beedle's "I APRECIATE YOU!" "reward."

Also I am glad to know that you are not insane anymore.

ZOMFG 100 posts!

Originally Posted by Skylarkff

It was supposed to say something along the lines or the trident belonging to an ancient demon who was ressurected.

It's kind of ambiguous as to what was revived, the Trident or the demon. In either case, it's obvious the Trident was used before.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

1) Getting a little carried away there. Obviously, the sword was not sealed in the SR, because we can still see it in its pedestal after it was sealed.
2) Where?
3) Yes, the Triforce went back to Hyrule as the Lightforce. The problem is how it got back to the SR.
4) So? Why didn't Nintendo put them in the GBA version then?
5) Where?
6) Sorry, I don't know what retcon means.
7) Erm...no. Agahnim killed the king. Where did the king come from? Did Hyrule just decide it wanted a king again?
8) Don't have OoX, so I can't see it whenever I want.
9) Based on what?
10) So you're saying that when the Gerudo disappeared, the Pyramid they built disappeared too? Wow. Two inconsistencies in one aspect.
11) Where?

1) The official art I referred to depicts a seal cast around Ganon, with the background being a scene from Hyrule (in the ALttP art, the dead Knights from the Imprisoning War; in the TWW art, the landscape of Hyrule). I posit that the FSA seal works in a similar way to these seals.
2) Ganon is in the Four Sword, so where the Four Sword goes, Ganon goes (until what time he escapes).
3) There's no proof that the Triforce is the Light Force, especially when the Light Force is a single golden triangle and the Triforce is made of three (hence the name).
4) The GBA version is mostly a port. None of the original content was altered, aside from the script. Also, just because they aren't in the game doesn't mean they don't exist.
5) See answer to 4.
6) Retcon means that a fact in a future game adds to, changes, or removes a fact from a previous game. (The Gorons living on Death Mountain, the Gerudo in the desert, etc.)
7) If FSA is before ALttP, Agahnim killing the king comes after FSA, and therefore has nothing to do with it.
8) The Master Sword is reforged ("sharpened") by King Zora, or given to you by the old man in the library (depending on what path you take).
9) Them not being there anymore? Based on the Agahnim portals taking you to a different Dark World?
10) No, I'm not saying anything disappeared. I'm saying that the Pyramid wasn't invented until FSA, which was released after ALttP (and ALttP GBA).
11) Just because the Deku aren't in the game doesn't mean they went anywhere. Especially considering they weren't conceptualized yet.

Originally Posted by Majoraman

Ergo, NoA is helping us by translating the Japanese differently so that it makes enough sense for theorizing

So that it says something that is not true for the rest of the story, ultimately.

And let's please not take this off-topic.