Does MC replace MSoC?

I was just reading some of the back story for the OoX games and I saw that Zelda sent Impa to Labrynna and Holodrum to bring the oracles back to Hyrule for protection. One thing that I thought was interesting about this is that in MC the oracles are found staying in a hotel in Hyrule. Also both the OoX games and MC have characters like Malon, Syrup, Tingle, Farore, Nayru, Din, and more. I think that OoX comes right before MC. That would explain why Link and Zelda are childhood friends in MC and why these are the only three games in which the Goddesses are mortals. I thought of this when I thought about how Capcom made all three of these games, when they made OoS/OoA they were also going to make the Mystical Seed of Courage or Oracle of Secrets, but they had to cancel it because of connection and storyline problems. So I think that they made MC to take it's place. Here is my time line:

(Child) OoT - MM - OoX - MC -/- TP -/- FS - FSA -/- LttP - LA -/- LoZ - AoL -/
(Adult) OoT -/- WW - PH -/

Do you think that this could work?

I place OoX prior to MC as well, but in the adult timeline.

I think it's possible that some of the ideas in the scrapped third Oracle game wound up in MC.

You just messed up my timeline! I had MC before Oot, now I have to think again, great...

Originally Posted by Chozo Ridley

That would explain why Link and Zelda are childhood friends in MC

They're still children in tMC, there's just no way he's the same guy as OoX Link... unless he was like 5 or something in OoX

Do you think that this could work?

All in all, I don't really have anything against the OoX-tMC placement.

Originally Posted by Labrynian Rebel

You just messed up my timeline! I had MC before Oot, now I have to think again, great...

LOL!!!

anyway I also think that Link in OoX and MC could be the same Link from OoT and MM. Link is riding Epona at the beginning of OoX and Link has the triforce of Courage in OoX, OoT, and MM. and also Twinrova is a major part of the linked game and Twinrova is only seen in OoT, MM, and OoX. And there are many people from OoT and MM that are seen in OoX like Happy mask salesman, Impa, Malon, the windmill guy, and more. And there are many people from OoT and MM that are seen in MC like Anju, Dampe, Ingo, Talon, and more.

Originally Posted by Chozo Ridley

Do you think that this could work?

Hmm, it seems yet more evidence for an early OoX placement, but I still am not convinced entirely. In the GBA port of ALttP, the sprite for Link was changed to resemble the sprite of Link in OoX, and the sprite of the Potion Shop Woman was changed drastically to look like Maple from OoX. Also, OoX's ending is a dead give away for leading into LA. LA is traditionally attached to ALttP as being the same Link (and with good reason), so both of these references seem to place OoX late in the timelie, coming between AlttP and LA.

sure, OoX has as much evidence of it coming after LttP as it does coming after OoT and MM, but if OoX really does come before MC than it could not be placed after LttP. Also, could Twinrova really live long enough to appear in both OoT and after LttP?

Originally Posted by Chozo Ridley

sure, OoX has as much evidence of it coming after LttP as it does coming after OoT and MM, but if OoX really does come before MC than it could not be placed after LttP. Also, could Twinrova really live long enough to appear in both OoT and after LttP?

They are either 380 or 400 in OoT. I think that Twinrova can live that long.

If I may play devil's advocate for a moment, in the Oracle series, Ganon has his trident, which he acquires in Four Swords Adventures, which is clearly after The Minish Cap.

I know this doesn't explode the OoX - TMC theory with impossibility, but it's worth noting.

Anyway, that being said, my theory on where TMC falls in with the Oracles is this...

[TMC] - [FS]-[FSA] - [ALttP]-[OoS]-[OoA]-[LA]

...which admittedly is very much based upon how I view the Oracles with respect to A Link to the Past and A Link to the Past with the Four Swords involved games. Obviously for this to work, we assume the Oracles in the Oracles series are the descendants of the Oracle shown in TMC and not the other way around or the same people.

I know that but that would mean that they would have to be over a thousand years old, and where would twinrova have been all that time? Twinrova only appears in OoT, MM, and OoX suggesting a post MM placement. and what about all the other recurring characters? and Link riding Epona at the beginning of OoX? and the Goron, Deku scrub, Deku tree, and Zora races are all in OoX and OoT/MM but are not in LttP.

Originally Posted by Chozo Ridley

I know that but that would mean that they would have to be over a thousand years old, and where would twinrova have been all that time? Twinrova only appears in OoT, MM, and OoX suggesting a post MM placement. and what about all the other recurring characters? and Link riding Epona at the beginning of OoX? and the Goron, Deku scrub, Deku tree, and Zora races are all in OoX and OoT/MM but are not in LttP.

Most of the time I see a recurring characters in games that most likely have a large amount of time between them and star different Links (for example, Malon and Talon appearing in OoT, OoX, and FSA), I just assume that it's a descendant. Twinrova isn't an exception.

Besides, the Twinrova from OoT is dead, unless you want to put the Oracle series in the Child Timeline. Which I find unlikely due to Ganon seems to be the one from the Adult Timeline, trident and all.

Originally Posted by Chozo Ridley

I know that but that would mean that they would have to be over a thousand years old, and where would twinrova have been all that time? Twinrova only appears in OoT, MM, and OoX suggesting a post MM placement. and what about all the other recurring characters? and Link riding Epona at the beginning of OoX? and the Goron, Deku scrub, Deku tree, and Zora races are all in OoX and OoT/MM but are not in LttP.

First of all, they are probably not the same Twinrova, or at least not the same life of Twinrova. I was just making a point that they were very old. Most probably they were either revived or are fulfilling their promise to haunt Link, by haunting his offspring.

As for Epona, TP proves that multiple Links have horses named Epona, so this really proves nothing. Link could have gotten a horse between ALttP and OoX. After all, enough time has passed between the games for the Triforce to get moved from the SR to Hyrule Castle, so I'm sure other things could have happened as well. Not to mention for OoX to work, Ganon must be dead. Like LoZ or ALttP Silver Arrows dead (I don't believe the Light Arrow deaths in TP and WW are deaths in the true sense, so I'm not going to buy that). Why else would Twirova be trying to revive him? You can't revive something that's not dead.

Don't forget that ALttP occurs in Hyrule, whereas OoX takes place in Holodrum and Labrynna. These species all could have migrated there as the Hylian race died out in Hyrule, and I can pretty much guarantee that the Zora migrated somewhere else (most likely Labrynna) around the time of the Great Flood.

Originally Posted by Aralith

(I don't believe the Light Arrow deaths in TP and WW are deaths in the true sense, so I'm not going to buy that).

Just a note, but when Ganon was killed in The Wind Waker, he was not in possession of the Triforce. Seems fair to assume he was mortal.

Originally Posted by Casual Matt

If I may play devil's advocate for a moment, in the Oracle series, Ganon has his trident, which he acquires in Four Swords Adventures, which is clearly after The Minish Cap.

And that Trident in FSA has an inscription that in Japanese literally translates
"evil weapon of the demon resurrected from ancient times"

I think that's a reference to OoX Ganon. He's a demon resurrected from ancient times, and the Trident was his weapon.

Originally Posted by Casual Matt

Just a note, but when Ganon was killed in The Wind Waker, he was not in possession of the Triforce. Seems fair to assume he was mortal.

True, but then we have an unexplained Ganon revival in there which is not something I am cool with. Half of my timeline is based on avoiding unexplained Ganon revivals. That's most of the reason LoZ/AoL got delegated to the child timeline in my theory. Though there are others, just most aren't important as Ganon. So, because it's still Light Arrows I feel far more comfortable just saying that his spirit didn't die, even though his body did. The ToP also disappeared in TP, yet that was a VERY ambiguous ending, which suggests to me that the Ganon spirit is immortal whether or not his human form has the ToP, as Ganon himself is essentially born from the ToP. He doesn't need it to survive as it his part of what made him.

So essentially, Ganon can ONLY be killed by Silver Arrows. Not to say that he can't be revived (as the Game Over screen of AoL and the revival in OoX clearly show), just the thought of that event being unexplained does not sit well with me, so I avoid it wherever possible. Since he has been officially killed twice (three times if you include his half-revival in OoX, but because the ritual was not complete, Silver Arrows weren't needed) that means that he is dead on each timeline. So now all games involving him are going to have to explain his revival, or go somewhere in the middle of my timeline. They cannot go on the ends of it without a revival explanation.