The different tribes of Hyrule....

[The Oni Queen]

This is going to be a really short thread, but if the kokiri are a race of children how did they get in the forest? And how do they get more people to be a kokiri?

The Gerudo is a tribe of girls.....



I really don't want to know the anserws to these questions, but I had to ask.

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by The Oni Queen

This is going to be a really short thread, but if the kokiri are a race of children how did they get in the forest? And how do they get more people to be a kokiri?

The Gerudo is a tribe of girls.....



I really don't want to know the anserws to these questions, but I had to ask.

The Kokiri were brought to life by the Deku Tree.
The Gerudo's possibly mate with Hylians [it's implied in OoT]

[The Oni Queen]

Thanks. Now I can sleep at night again.

[ginger17]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

The Gerudo's possibly mate with Hylians [it's implied in OoT]

Yes, that and they said a male was born every hundered years but that doesn't make much of a difference.

[The Oni Queen]

Wait, how does the deku tree 'give life' to the kokiri?

[smallville boy]

Originally Posted by The Oni Queen

Thanks. Now I can sleep at night again.

LOL

Yes, the kokiri were brought to life by the Deku Tree. they are forest spirits.

Originally Posted by The Oni Queen

Wait, how does the deku tree 'give life' to the kokiri?

With Magic he is a forest deity.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

The Gerudo's possibly mate with Hylians [it's implied in OoT]

Really? I never got that implication. And I had always thought that the Gerudo King fathered children with the female Gerudo until the next male child was born a hundred years later. Otherwise the Gerudo blood would die out pretty quickly wouldn't it? Oh, come to think of it, I do remember something in OoT that the Gerudo came to town looking for boyfriends or something, right? Maybe just the Gerudo females that weren't lucky enough to score with Ganondorf () did that.

[LinkThatRemains]

I think the goddesses gave the tree powers when I think it was Naryu who made land and stuff.

[ginger17]

Originally Posted by The Oni Queen

Wait, how does the deku tree 'give life' to the kokiri?

We don't know. It's a video game, anything can happen. I mean it can talk so it must be magic.

[The Oni Queen]

^ They're inbreds?!?

[Reign and Kisiro]

Yeah, it's implied that the Gerudo and Hylians interbreed. I'm sure some of the more elite Gerudo 'get busy' with their current king, but yeah...Talk to Talon with the Gerudo Mask on in OoT, he says it looks like Malon's mom.

How that doesn't make the Gerudo bloodline die out over time, I don't know. If Malon's any evidence, maybe only the children who look more like Gerudo than Hylians join the tribe or something.

As for the Kokiri, I always imagined the hatched from the Deku Tree's seeds as babies like it was an egg or something, and grew until they were about 10, where they stopped. How that makes Kokiri able to have ancestors (ala Mkar descended from Fado), I dunno. Maybe the Deku Tree mixes physical aspects of two Kokiri to make a new one?

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by Aralith

Really? I never got that implication.

A stone of truth in Hyrule Castle Town [outside the ToT I think] tells you that Gerudos come to Hyrule to find boyfriends.

[Labrynian Rebel]

I have a theory that they had a sort of harem society, in which they all breed with the current Gerudo male (Ganondorf) but with him getting sealed in the Sacred Realm, they had to have Hylian mates to survive, resulting in Hylians with red hair like Malon (if you talk to Talon with the Gerudo Mask he says it looks like his wife) and Gerudos with Hylian ears (like Telma) but in the long run their blood line ran thin and they eventually became extinct. And the Kokiri? Well they are immortal, and we never see one die, so I don't think they even need to reproduce if they're around forever.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by Labrynian Rebel

I have a theory that they had a sort of harem society, in which they all breed with the current Gerudo male (Ganondorf)

I believe similarly, but,

but with him getting sealed in the Sacred Realm, they had to have Hylian mates to survive, resulting in Hylians with red hair like Malon (if you talk to Talon with the Gerudo Mask he says it looks like his wife) and Gerudos with Hylian ears (like Telma) but in the long run their blood line ran thin and they eventually became extinct.

There is no way that this is possible, as you can only speak to the Stones of Truths as a child before Ganondorf was sealed. Also, Malon was born around ten years before that (she is roughly the same age as Link, and Link is ten as a child). Also, it is strongly hinted at in PH that the Gerudo didn't die out. However, it does seem that has happened in the child timeline, with TP and all. Also, the Gerudo appear again in FSA, but since there are hints in this game that it goes on the adult timeline (I certainly believe it does), and the fact that Gerudo are most likely still around at the time of PH, it adds even more to the fact that at least on the adult timeline, the Gerudo did not die out.

And the Kokiri? Well they are immortal, and we never see one die, so I don't think they even need to reproduce if they're around forever.

They obviously aren't around by the time of TP though. Although they, just like the Gerudo, appear in the adult timeline. One is a sage, and the rest seem to have evolved into (or perhaps turned into by the Deku Tree) tree-like creatures called Koroks.

[Reign and Kisiro]

Originally Posted by Aralith

They obviously aren't around by the time of TP though. Although they, just like the Gerudo, appear in the adult timeline. One is a sage, and the rest seem to have evolved into (or perhaps turned into by the Deku Tree) tree-like creatures called Koroks.

Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they're extinct, and the same goes for the Gerudo. They simply live in a different part of the forest/desert, a part we can't get to in-game.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by Reign and Kisiro

Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they're extinct, and the same goes for the Gerudo. They simply live in a different part of the forest/desert, a part we can't get to in-game.

True, as we didn't see that much of the Lost Woods in TP. The Gerudo, however are a different story. I'm guessing they either left, have died out, or have inbred with the Hylians for so long that they are no longer a separate race. There is no fortress in Gerudo Valley, not even a remnant of one. The only thing that seems to be left of their civilization in the desert at all is the Arbiter's Grounds, which is heavily suggested to be the Spirit Temple. Although admittedly the inbreeding thing is more likely, as Telma does appear rather Gerudo in appearance, but still has the trademark Hylian long ears.

[Labrynian Rebel]

Perhaps the Kokiri have already turned into the Koroks by TP, and didn't the Deku Tree in WW say something along the lines that they changed into being more plant like because they were shy of humans? I'm pretty sure looking like a tree stump with a leaf pinned to your face makes you hard to see in a place like Faron.

[Labrynian Rebel]

Originally Posted by Aralith

I believe similarly, but,



There is no way that this is possible, as you can only speak to the Stones of Truths as a child before Ganondorf was sealed. Also, Malon was born around ten years before that (she is roughly the same age as Link, and Link is ten as a child).

I don't think the Gerudo were very fond of Ganondorf even before he was sealed, Nabooru was preparing for a revolution against him of sorts even when Link was a kid (remember the first part of the Spirit Temple?)

Anyways it was just an idea, and I see your point, but the only question I have is were in PH does it imply that the Gerudo are still around?

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by Labrynian Rebel

Perhaps the Kokiri have already turned into the Koroks by TP.

TP and WW are on separate timelines.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by Labrynian Rebel

I don't think the Gerudo were very fond of Ganondorf even before he was sealed, Nabooru was preparing for a revolution against him of sorts even when Link was a kid (remember the first part of the Spirit Temple?)

That doesn't matter. The fact is, Ganondorf was still very much around when the Gossip Stone tells us that the Gerudo look for boyfriends in Hyrule Castle Town. Which means that this cannot be spurred on by their lack of a king, as you mentioned.

Anyways it was just an idea, and I see your point, but the only question I have is were in PH does it imply that the Gerudo are still around?

Jolene and Joanne are very Gerudo looking. Jolene is also a pirate (something that we know Gerudo take part in because of MM), and dresses similarly, styles her hair the same, has dark skin, and uses the same weapon that the Gerudo in OoT do. I'd say it's a fair bet that the Gerudo are still around at that time. They're just not really organized anymore. They are just pirates sailing the seas.

[Labrynian Rebel]

They do look like Gerudo now that you mention it! Thanks for clearing that up!

[LinkThatRemains]

I keep thinking those puppet-like things are the Kokiri...

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by LinkThatRemains

I keep thinking those puppet-like things are the Kokiri...

I highly doubt it. There is no Deku Tree in the child ending of Oot (assuming that Link still got to Zelda after Ganondorf killed the Deku Tree, as is suggested), and no mention of a sprout (but I guess there could be), so more likely the Kokiri died out without the Deku Tree to protect them. And if a Deku Sprout did grow in the child timeline, it wouldn't have let the Kokiri turn into puppets to be used by Skull Kid like that. Also, remember, we only got a small glimpse of the Lost Woods. If the Kokiri are still around, its more than likely that they were in a hidden part of the forest that we couldn't enter, as OoT makes allusions several times to the fact that people who go into the forest get lost and don't make it to Kokiri Village, assumedly becoming Stalfos in the Lost Woods. So, if the Kokiri are still around in some form another, I highly doubt that we saw them.