Something Between OoT and WW?

[Aralith]

I was playing PH last night (only my second time through, otherwise I probably would have noticed this sooner), and I found something rather interesting. In the North Western area of the sea, there is a boat that looks very much like the KoRL with a man on it in a green tunic and hat, that says he was once a hero. Now, this one is obviously a man, as he has a beard. He calls his ship the Prince of Red Lions and it is a good deal larger, so obviously not the same ship.

Now, normally, I would just write this off as a cameo, or say that this man heard of Link's adventures in WW and decided to emulate them and call himself a hero, but there is a rather interesting plot twist to this story. There is a man in the South Western sea on a boat who mentions this man, corroborating that he is a hero, and calls this hero "brother." Now, if we are to take this other hero as indeed another Link (it never names him), I highly doubt that this man is actually his brother, but rather just an endearing term. Especially since the Japanese word for big brother, oniisan, can be used as simply a term for someone that one looks up to, as this man does.

So, this leaves me with three possibilities. Ignore the evidence and just call it a cameo, but ignoring evidence is not something I am inclined to do, so there are really only two options. The first is to say that is indeed a hero from another game, or a game perhaps not made yet. The second is something far less appealing. The second option is to call the Realm of the Ocean King a parallel world to the Great Sea and call this man Link's counterpart.

I hate doing this, as there is much evidence that it is not a parallel world, as many of the characters from WW are present in PH, and some characters in WW describe places we see in PH. We know PH isn't a dream, because we see Linebeck sailing off, and Link still has the Phantom Hourglass, despite the crew saying they were only gone ten minutes. I am also somewhat convinced that the Realm of the Ocean King is actually a flooded Labrynna. Not firmly convinced, but there is some evidence for it, and since bitterlime has proven that Labrynna is not a parallel world, if the Realm of the Ocean King is indeed Labrynna, the parallel world explanation would not work.

So, unless someone can bring up some pretty convincing evidence for how the Realm of the Ocean King is a parallel world, I'm going to assume it's not, which leads us back to option one, that this is another Link. Now, the quote from Aonuma says that the WW takes place 100 years after OoT, but as Erimgard pointed out (and as I should have realized having taken three years of Japanese in high school, and two quarters in college), the Japanese have no plural, thus when they say hundred with no number before it, it could just as well mean hundreds. So, since Aonuma did NOT say thousand, we can assume that at the most, WW takes place 999 years after OoT. This is plenty of time to fit the flooding and another adventure in there.

Now, since we don't know how fast the flooding occurred, it would be very hard to select a game that fits in there that resembles either of the two worlds that WW and OoT show us. But I have come up with a theory that could circumvent that problem. It's possible that wherever this game takes place, it is in a part of Hyrule that is perhaps not Hyrule proper. In fact, the game that I have selected that could fit here is very probably not in Hyrule proper, as we will see in a moment.

There is only one game that I am currently really unsure of the placement in my timeline theory, and really only one that I can think of that fits there without destroying other timeline continuities, so that is the game I chose. So, here it is. The game that I have selected (and please, don't kill me until you read the rest of this), is Minish Cap.

Okay, now that we've got the hard part out of the way, allow me to elaborate. Minish Cap takes place on a map that appears to have an excessive amount of water. This combined with the fact that it references Triumph Forks has led many to place it post-WW. However, I think it could work just as well pre-WW. One of the reasons that many people place it before OoT is because it seems that the MC Hyrule is not unified, as we know it is in OoT. However, this is the very reason that I place it post-OoT.

Warning: much of what is to follow is little more than speculation, but I will include evidence and references wherever possible.

See, the goddesses flooded Hyrule, but where MC takes place is not Hyrule proper, so not all of it was flooded. This is why it is un-unified. The rest of Hyrule has been flooded, but they have not, thus detaching them from the rest of it. Now, perhaps hundreds of years have passed since the initial flooding, and so the people have either forgotten it, or just learned to live with it, hence why no one mentions it. Also, depending on when the Triumph Forks were made, this placement could still satisfy the in-game reference to them. So, MC happens and the hero leaves to travel the sea on his own.

This could be the new land that Link and Tetra will eventually find (assuming that they do in fact find land). Whether it is or not, it's not really all that important to my theory. So, the hero is now out on the sea. He ages to become the man with a beard that we see in PH. Why he has a ship similar to the KoRL, I can't really say, but maybe he saw the KoRL floating along one day and thought it looked neat and built one for himself. Perhaps he met the KoRL, which would also explain the name of the boat being the Prince of Red Lions. I can't really explain the similarities in ships. But again, not all that important. What IS important is that it hints to us that a game goes in between OoT and WW. And I believe MC is a rather compelling candidate.

[TheManInTheMoon]

Now, if we are to take this other hero as indeed another Link (it never names him)

His name is Nyeve (like Naive) and his brother is Nyave (Knave)

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by MercuryMule

His name is Nyeve (like Naive) and his brother is Nyave (Knave)

Well then what the hell is he doing in green tunic and hat being called a hero?

Dammit, a whole theory destroyed by one oversight.

[Mr. Lexxi Aileron]

Originally Posted by Aralith

Well then what the hell is he doing in green tunic and hat being called a hero?

That seems to be what all wannabe heroes wear, according to TWW's prologue. TP even jokes about this.

Also, I'd reckon PH's sea is more similar to the map of AoL, seeing as it has Maze Island (an AoL exclusive), two large continents that make up a kingdom, and the mountain where Gorons live all lined up approximately where they ought to be (although, obviously, AoL's Death Mountain has no Gorons).

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

That seems to be what all wannabe heroes wear, according to TWW's prologue. TP even jokes about this.

Except that his brother corroborates his story of being a hero. And when does TP joke about such a thing?

Also, I'd reckon PH's sea is more similar to the map of AoL, seeing as it has Maze Island (an AoL exclusive), two large continents that make up a kingdom, and the mountain where Gorons live all lined up approximately where they ought to be (although, obviously, AoL's Death Mountain has no Gorons).

Hmm. Well, the reason I say Labrynna is because of my belief about the Rito and Zora connection. I don't believe that any of the Rito are descended from Zora with the exception of Medli. I believe that when the Great Flood took place they moved somewhere else. Since they show up later in Labrynna, this is where I believe they migrated to. In PH's sea, you can find two Zora artifacts: the Ruto Crown, and the Zora Scale. Since no artifacts are found in WW's sea, I feel that this corroborates my theory that they migrated. And since I believe they found a new home in Labrynna, and Zora artifacts show up in PH's sea, that they are one and the same. But I suppose it could be AoL Hyrule. I've never even seen the map of AoL, let alone know its landmarks. I had no idea there was a Maze Island in AoL, so I may have to rethink this.

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by Aralith

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Hmm. Well, the reason I say Labrynna is because of my belief about the Rito and Zora connection. I don't believe that any of the Rito are descended from Zora with the exception of Medli. I believe that when the Great Flood took place they moved somewhere else. Since they show up later in Labrynna, this is where I believe they migrated to. In PH's sea, you can find two Zora artifacts: the Ruto Crown, and the Zora Scale. Since no artifacts are found in WW's sea, I feel that this corroborates my theory that they migrated. And since I believe they found a new home in Labrynna, and Zora artifacts show up in PH's sea, that they are one and the same. But I suppose it could be AoL Hyrule. I've never even seen the map of AoL, let alone know its landmarks. I had no idea there was a Maze Island in AoL, so I may have to rethink this.

It's also a possibility that Labrynna [and Holodrum] are in AoL Hyrule.
So your theory could still stand.

[TheManInTheMoon]

I feel that this corroborates my theory that they migrated.

and may still be migrating

Originally Posted by King Zora

Oh! A secret
from the Zora I
sent to Holodrum
to find us a new
domain! You have
done well! Thank
you.

[smallville boy]

The sea of The ocean king is another dimenssion than hyrule sea dimension(not a parallel world like Termina),just another dimension
The guy with the green clothes is only a guy that listen the story of the hero of ww(ww link story), the persons can entered and out from that dimenssion, the stoys of both dimensssion can travelen between the 2 dimensions.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

It's also a possibility that Labrynna [and Holodrum] are in AoL Hyrule.
So your theory could still stand.

Suppose that's true.

Originally Posted by MercuryMule

and may still be migrating

Hey, even more corroboration. Now that we have proof that Zora do indeed migrate, that just makes the theory even stronger.

Originally Posted by smallville boy

The sea of The ocean king is another dimenssion than hyrule sea dimension(not a parallel world like Termina),just another dimension
The guy with the green clothes is only a guy that listen the story of the hero of ww(ww link story), the persons can entered and out from that dimenssion, the stoys of both dimensssion can travelen between the 2 dimensions.

I don't think so. If it was a different dimension that was so easy to enter (as others from WW are there as well), why wouldn't the pirates just follow Tetra and Link there? My guess is that the Realm of the Ocean King is just a faraway place, and the Ghost Ship transported Link and Tetra there instantaneously, where others had to actually travel there. This would also explain why the pirates didn't try to follow them. That, and that the Ocean King seems to have sent them back only 10 minutes after they left.

[smallville boy]

-The pirate ship is the way to entered into the ocean king dimension
-the time flows diferent in the ocean king dimension than ocean hyrule dimension.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by smallville boy

-The pirate ship is the way to entered into the ocean king dimension

A way, but perhaps not the only way. How else do you explain Beedle's presence there? Or how the guy in Windfall in WW (can't remember his name now) said he came from a cold place and dresses similarly to the people on the ice island in PH? Unless there's just a big vortex sitting around somewhere (and if there was, how come the pirates didn't go through it to save Link and Tetra), then I think not.

-the time flows diferent in the ocean king dimension than ocean hyrule dimension.

That's one explanation for only ten minutes having passed for the pirates while whole days passed for Tetra and Link. Another explanation would be that the Ocean King sent them back to that time after their adventure.

[TheManInTheMoon]

Originally Posted by One of Tetra's Pirates at the beginning of the game

They say these seas are
protected, yeah?
Something about a spirit
called the Ocean King.

Shows 2 things
- It's not very far away from where the pirates were (though we don't know how much farther outside of the PH map the Ocean King's waters go.
- If the Ghost Ship was the only entrance, then they wouldn't know this.

[Reign and Kisiro]

Smallville boy, the Ocean King can control time. He just sent Link, Tetra and Linebeck back to 10 minutes after Link went onto the ship.

PH's part of the Great Sea works perfectly over AoL Hyrule, so yeah, I go with that.

[bitterlime]

Just to clear things up a bit for Aralith:

Dressing up as anime or video game characters is very popular in japan, it's called cosplay.
In TP Shad and Ashei think that Link is dressing up as the legendary hero when you meet them at Telmas place.

Originally Posted by Ashei

...Are you an actor or something?
Dressing like the legendary hero... Wow, gutsy.
If you want to get stared at, why not just join the circus or something?

Looking at your innocent face for too long gives me heartburn...
How about you not talk to me, yeah?

Shad even asks about buying the costume if I remember clearly, but I can't find the quote.

And later:

Originally Posted by Ashei

You don't mean...the hero-type?
Unbelievable... So that getup wasn't just a costume...

Nyeve is most liley just dressing up as Link. You can tell that it's supposed to be a joke on cosplaying since he weares a sleeping noddy and has a heartshaped belt.

[Aralith]

Originally Posted by bitterlime

Just to clear things up a bit for Aralith:

Dressing up as anime or video game characters is very popular in japan, it's called cosplay.

I know about cosplay, it's just that this seemed like more. But it would appear not. They're names clearly give that away. I feel somewhat foolish for coming up with a whole theory that would have been stopped immediately if I just hadn't made that gross oversight in thinking that they have no names.

Nyeve is most liley just dressing up as Link. You can tell that it's supposed to be a joke on cosplaying since he weares a sleeping noddy and has a heartshaped belt.

Just strange that his brother calls him a hero, and that Links deeds have reached as far as the Realm of the Ocean King. And that someone would go to such lengths. I mean, I've seen some pretty elaborate cosplay outfits, but I don't think I've ever heard of someone trying to live as a video game character. Though knowing how humans are, someone probably has.