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Old 05-08-2008, 02:17 PM
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This never made sense to me...

Way back when, some theorists claimed that in the child ending to OOT
Ganondorf had been sealed away "out of time" this never made sense to
me, Zelda appeared to be spying on Ganondorf at the end of the game.
Also, Ganondorf hadn't been sealed away yet, how could future events
change the past? I guess I was proven right when TP revealed Ganondorf's
fate in the child branch of the timeline.

I remember theorists saying that the Gorons must have turned evil,
(based on TP trailers) but I never would believe that they would
turn against Link or the King. Turns out they were only challenging
Link and keeping outsiders away out of tribal pride.

Some theorists speculated that Termina was a part of Hyrule, this
never made any sort of sense to me. I can't even think why someone
would want this to be so.

Some theorists speculate that FSA's Ganondorf is OOT Ganondorf
reborn. But why would Ganondorf the Gerudo be reborn as a GERUDO?
The Gerudo aren't particularly evil. I find the idea that a new Gerudo
Ganondorf every so often doesn't seem plausible to me.

I dunno, I guess this is a random rant against mainstream theories,
but I wonder why my opinions always seem so different than other
peoples? Maybe I read less into the stories, or maybe other people
have better ideas than me?

---What theories are there that just don't seem to click for you?---

Also, if TLOZ follows OOT, what do you make of NES Ganon?
I can't figure that one out.

I also don't see evidence of a 'new Hyrule', but I have yet to play
Minish Cap or Phantom Hourglass.

Remember when theorists claimed Link died at the end of TP and Hyrule
was flooded? Heh heh, Hyrule wasn't flooded until the end of WW, it was
only sealed under the Great Sea. Also, TP is on the child branch of the timeline.

Erimgard: I concur on the Oracles. The fact that characters travel back and
forth from Labyrnna to Holodrum proved to me that they both happen on the
same timeline.

Adam_148: Yeah the Gerudo = Twili theory didn't make sense to me
either.

I will also never understand why people look for a 'fourth' Triforce.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:22 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

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Way back when, some theorists claimed that in the child ending to OOT
Ganondorf had been sealed away "out of time" this never made sense to
me, Zelda appeared to be spying on Ganondorf at the end of the game.
Also, Ganondorf hadn't been sealed away yet, how could future events
change the past? I guess I was proven right when TP revealed Ganondorf's
fate in the child branch of the timeline.
Also, Sacred Realm can't be outside of time because the split occurred whilst the Triforce was in the Sacred Realm, correct?
So there should only be one Triforce since the SR wasn't split in two like everything else, yet there are two Triforces: One in each timeline.

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Some theorists speculate that FSA's Ganondorf is OOT Ganondorf
reborn. But why would he be reborn as a Gerudo AGAIN? The Gerudo
aren't particularly evil. I find the idea that a new Gerudo Ganondorf
every so often doesn't seem plausible to me.
Well he's treated/acts differently than OoT Ganonodorf, and there's the "ancient demon reborn" line, but thanks to Jumbie, we see a couple possible different meanings for that.

I've never understood why some people believe:
Light Force=Triforce
Sacred Ream=Twilight Realm
Picori Sword=Master Sword

And while I used to believe it myself, I now know that the Oracles being on opposite timelines is pretty preposterous.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:25 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

What never set right with me was what some people believed that the gerudo, sheikah or both were the tribe that became the Twili. I don't buy this, the gerudo are only small time thieves (not necessarily evil, just thieving), and the sheikah, well, there are hardly any that appear, and they seem to be an OK bunch of almost-human people. I firmly believe that the Twili are the tribe that created Majora's Mask, and I will sand by this theory until it is proved incorrect in a Zelda game, or proved correct in a Zelda game.
I also agree with Erimgard, I don't believe that the Light Force is the Triforce either, I think it is a seperate force (for lack of a better term) altogether
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:31 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

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Light Force=Triforce
Sacred Ream=Twilight Realm
Picori Sword=Master Sword
Thats crazy why or who would believe any of that especially Picori blade=master sword

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Old 05-08-2008, 02:32 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

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Way back when, some theorists claimed that in the child ending to OOT
Ganondorf had been sealed away "out of time" this never made sense to
me, Zelda appeared to be spying on Ganondorf at the end of the game.
Also, Ganondorf hadn't been sealed away yet, how could future events
change the past? I guess I was proven right when TP revealed Ganondorf's
fate in the child branch of the timeline.
Oh I also hated that theory, it never made sense. Glad is has been pretty much debunked forever.

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I remember theorists saying that the Gorons must have turned evil,
(based on TP trailers) but I never would believe that they would
turn against Link or the King. Turns out they were only challenging
Link and keeping outsiders away out of tribal pride.
I never heard that one, well it could have happened, but it was very unlikley.

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Some theorists speculated that Termina was a part of Hyrule, this
never made any sort of sense to me. I can't even think why someone
would want this to be so.
Ugh this one is bugging me too, and there are quite some people who believe that. I mean it's obvious, at least to me, that there is not going to be a land next to my own country, where a bunch of freaky dopplegängers live in a far more advanced society.
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Some theorists speculate that FSA's Ganondorf is OOT Ganondorf
reborn. But why would he be reborn as a Gerudo AGAIN? The Gerudo
aren't particularly evil. I find the idea that a new Gerudo Ganondorf
every so often doesn't seem plausible to me.
For the same reason Link and Zelda are reborn as Hylians over and over again. Would you like to see a Zora-Ganondorf? ;p
The only possibility that he is not a reborn Ganondorf is that FSA is after OoT and before MM. And that dosn't match up all that well with TP.
But I can understand your doubts about the rebirth.

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I dunno, I guess this is a random rant against mainstream theories,
but I wonder why my opinions always seem so different than other
peoples? Maybe I read less into the stories, or maybe other people
have better ideas than me?

What theories are there that just don't seem to click for you?
Tetraforce theories ;O;... why can't people just stop making them.
Other then that nothing special comes to my mind...

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Also, if TLOZ follows OOT, what do you make of NES Ganon?
I can't figure that one out.
There is always one Ganon that lacks a explanation. He always finds a way to come back
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:37 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

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For the same reason Link and Zelda are reborn as Hylians over and over again. Would you like to see a Zora-Ganondorf? ;p
The only possibility that he is not a reborn Ganondorf is that FSA is after OoT and before MM. And that dosn't match up all that well with TP.
But I can understand your doubts about the rebirth.
I can easily imagine him reborn, but I don't see why he would
have to be a Gerudo, I don't see any particular tie between Ganon
and the Gerudo that would mean evil runs in their tribe, it seems
more like a one-time-only fluke that he was born to them IMO.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:40 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

Master Sword = Four Sword does make sense if you use humulos' merge

Here are some more that haven't been mentioned yet:
I never understood people believeing Zant was alive at the end of TP
Or people believeing that every Link is the same
Game Trailers Timeline
Believing Link and Zelda are siblings.
And the most infamous one: Tetraforce.
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Remember when theorists claimed Link died at the end of TP and Hyrule
was flooded? Heh heh, Hyrule wasn't flooded until the end of WW, it was
only sealed under the Great Sea. Also, TP is on the child branch of the timeline.
Yes, but that was before the game was even released. We were just speculating.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:43 PM
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Master Sword = Four Sword does make sense if you use humulos' merge
Eh not really :/
Even then, he says the two timelines merged, and there was one of everything.
So if MS=FS, why are they both in aLttP? They should've merged.

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Old 05-08-2008, 02:45 PM
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Is it ok if you explain this merge?
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Eh not really :/
Even then, he says the two timelines merged, and there was one of everything.
So if MS=FS, why are they both in aLttP? They should've merged.
Since the Swords became different, they wouldn't merge to the same thing.

That's like saying baby Erimgard and senior Erimgard would merge to become adult Erimgard.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

What is with the merging?
Wouldn't there just be two identical branches that were the
same forever into the future?
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:46 PM
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:48 PM
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Re: This never made sense to me...

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What is with the merging?
Wouldn't there just be two identical branches that were the
same forever into the future?
not unless at some point in their histories at the same time they became exactly alike after the split, then they would merge
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:04 PM
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Never understood:
-LA after MM theories
-OoX on different sides
-timeline merges
-Timelines with ALttP after TWW (I don't want to debate this here)
-A theory someone told me that the top of DM in TP looks like the moon from termina. The whole theory was that the giants sent it to the top of DM or something. It was based on the cutscene where you play the song for the gold wolf above DM. It had a rounded top and a "nose" like area jutting from it. Note that the song of healing is being played which adds to their "evidence." 00:44 gives you a very good shot.
YouTube - Zelda Twilight Princess Wolf song
-Tetaforce or 4th goddess theories (if there was one we would know by now.)
-Phantom Hourglass, was it real, a dream, or a little of both?
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Some theorists speculated that Termina was a part of Hyrule, this
never made any sort of sense to me. I can't even think why someone
would want this to be so.
Ikana Valley could very well be west of the Haunted Wasteland.

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Some theorists speculate that FSA's Ganondorf is OOT Ganondorf
reborn. But why would Ganondorf the Gerudo be reborn as a GERUDO?
The Gerudo aren't particularly evil. I find the idea that a new Gerudo
Ganondorf every so often doesn't seem plausible to me.
I find the idea of reincarnation in general implausible.

I mean, seriously, carbon copies of AT LEAST TWENTY CHARACTERS ALL REAPPEARING AT THE SAME TIME?

But it happens.
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