Zora to Rito...? What?!

Originally Posted by Ankiseth

Did I post this for no reason? No one is gonna comment?

Well, you know my thoughts on this.
I agree with you that there's nothing really that requires an evolution of the Zoras, and I don't believe they all did evolve. I believe some evolved, some moved to the seas of PH and Labrynna, and some adapted to the new environment and lost their benevolent nature.

As for an Ooca-Rito connection, I see it as a step downward in the evolutionary chain.

What about my theory guys. Do you think it could work?

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Well, you know my thoughts on this.
I agree with you that there's nothing really that requires an evolution of the Zoras, and I don't believe they all did evolve. I believe some evolved, some moved to the seas of PH and Labrynna, and some adapted to the new environment and lost their benevolent nature.

As for an Ooca-Rito connection, I see it as a step downward in the evolutionary chain.

As Aralith pointed out already in the thread

Since evolution is at heart a random process, taking "steps backwards" can and does happen. If the lesser being can still survive though, then it is essentially a success and it will continue to thrive. If the Oocca could "devolve" as you are suggesting it is, but I beg to differ as it is random, but that devolution, the Rito, could still survive, then they would. Evolution doesn't mean "forwards development" it just means "development," even if it is seemingly a step backwards, its still development, and it can happen.

I still see no reason for the Ooca to "evolve".
They were the highest race in Hyrule essentially.

Originally Posted by ritogirl

What about my theory guys. Do you think it could work?

Could you repost it?

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I still see no reason for the Ooca to "evolve".
They were the highest race in Hyrule essentially.

What part of random do you not understand?

Originally Posted by Ritogirl

I agree with smallvilleboy in thinking the zolas (I've played PH) are an entriely different species. After the Great Flood three lines of Zora developed depending on thier enviroment. The Rito were born form Zora who developed lungs at an earlier state through, as Shekah Sage, mentioned random mutations. These Zora no longer had to be wet constantly and began to live onland (becuase with all the monsters on the ocean land was a far safer place). After about 500 years (note japanese has no sense of singular and plural, 100 years was propably a mistranslation) they developed into a more terrestial form. found Valoo which allowed them to once again travel across the ocean through flight. Another group of Zora simply stayed behind and unable to feed off fish they began to attack people and became the vicous strain of Zola (River Zora) as previously stated a completely Flooded Ocean would become freshwater. However another group of Zora migrated far away to a Sea that was always salt water. This strain remained pretty much the same as their ancestors with the exception of developing the ability to live in salt water.
So it goes Salt water (safe) Sea Zora (OoX)
Lake Zora(OoT/TP)^> Land (safe) Rito (WW)
v Fresh Water Ocean (unstable) River Zora

Here it is! suppose Aralith did get to that first though.

I don't think their evolution or migration had anything to do with salt water, but I agree that some evolved, some moved, and some became fighters. Just for the record though, "Zola" do not exist. NoA failure.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I don't think their evolution or migration had anything to do with salt water, but I agree that some evolved, some moved, and some became fighters. Just for the record though, "Zola" do not exist. NoA failure.

I know its a mistranslation but "Zola" and River Zora mean the same thing. I just was commenting.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I still see no reason for the Ooca to "evolve".
They were the highest race in Hyrule essentially.


Could you repost it?

well in Tp it was stated that they belived that the oocco created the hylians... im not so sure though if this has any relation to this conversation, i just thought it was interesting

Originally Posted by zenox24

well in Tp it was stated that they belived that the oocco created the hylians... im not so sure though if this has any relation to this conversation, i just thought it was interesting

Since both the Rito and Ooccoos live in the skies, I begin to wonder... Would they be in any way related? Years and years have passed...

Just wondering...

Originally Posted by Aralith

Point still stands that in OoX the Zora lived in the ocean. And they may have had salt water abilities all along. Not to mention it would be far more likely that the Zora would evolve salt water abilities than avian abilities.

You don't read what I post do you.... They are two different species. Their names might be something such as Zorafreshus for the fresh water species and Zorasaltius for the salt water species. What's your point then? Also, the salomon evolved salt water abilities because it was safer for them to lay eggs in the river instead of the ocean. They evolved over time.

Pardon? Theories can't be proven? Right, the only reason evolution is around is because we can't disprove it. It has nothing to do with all of that evidence we've collected that solidifies our belief in it. Nothing at all.[/sarcasm]

I'm sorry, but not only do you need lack of disproof, you also need existence of proof. By your definition, Sagan's Dragon is a scientific theory. Now, a hypothesis is a statement made based on observation, sort of like an educated guess, but to have any validity to it at all, evidence must be run to prove it, and tests must be run to show that it can't be disproven. You need both proof, and lack of disproof for a hypothesis to be valid. This is where burden of proof comes in. It is the job of the claimant to back his assertion, not for others to disprove it. That's just ridiculous. He is committing a burden of proof fallacy. There is no way around it.

I was perhaps not clear enough. Theories is not something that cannot be disproven.
To make a theory you need an observation, such as light passing through a transparent material and changing direction.
-Wow. I wonder if that happens all the time. *checks* Yes it does, and it appears that it's possible to determine the angle it bends by a mathematical formula.-
Now you have a hypotesis. Light that passes through a transparent material changes direction in a way that can be determined by this formula <insert formula>.
So, you make many experiments with different materials and angles, and find that none of the experiments disprove your formula. Woilla, it's now a theory.
It's not proven, but it's not disproven either, and experience shows that it's right in every cases untill now.
So what if suddenly a different type of material does something else, disproving your theory? Then it's disproven. You cannot prove anything, because suddenly, something can disprove it, and you cannot determine that it cannot be disproven.

Ah, but salmon can survive in both fresh water and salt water. And during the 1916 New Jersey shark attacks a great white shark managed to swim several miles inland, via a fresh water stream. There are other reported cases of sharks in fresh water, but this example is what comes most readily to mind. There is just no way to prove that the Zora in OoT were only capable of living in fresh water. So, there is a lack of disproof, and I have some proof that they can live in salt water.

Salomons are constantly excrementing water as they are in fresh water. It's a unique fish. The shark accident, I don't know. It might be that the sharks are indeed able to do the same as a salomon, but that is irrelevant.

Zora artifacts appear in the sea in PH, the Zora in OoA say that they are Ocean Zora and that their cousins (the hostile ones) are River Zora, and finally the Zora in MM live in the sea. Now, while none of these are direct proofs that the OoT Zora could live in salt water, they do tend to lend themselves to a theory that they do.

OoA Sea Zoras: Salt Water Zoras.
OoA River Zoras: Fresh Water Zoras.
MM Zoras: Salt Water Zoras.
OoT Zoras: Fresh Water Zoras.
LttP Zoras: Fresh Water Zoras.
LoZ: Fresh Water Zoras.

However, you are right that there is no concrete evidence saying that OoT Zora are salt water dwellers as well, but even if they weren't, the Zora would far more likely evolve that ability than avian abilities, as I have stated many times before in this thread and to be quite honest, haven't gotten an answer to yet.

No, that's true. But things such as the harp Medli holds, that the Korok's sage is a Kokiri and the Koroks were Kokiris before and that there is no Zoras in TWW makes one think that it's very much possible that it is Zoras that evolved into Ritos.

Originally Posted by Fluesopp

No, that's true. But things such as the harp Medli holds, that the Korok's sage is a Kokiri and the Koroks were Kokiris before and that there is no Zoras in TWW makes one think that it's very much possible that it is Zoras that evolved into Ritos.

that or there are just no zoras in the WW game, because they just didn't want them to be there. the "E" rating on WW. parents may possibly have complained about the zoras in the most recent games (suggesting, hidden nudity). And in order to make a game for all age levels that was just plain good fun they decided to get rid of the zoras for just one story, but bring them back in Tp. hence the "T" rating

I do not think the Zoras are the reason TP got a T rating....

Originally Posted by bitterlime

The OoT Zoras don't seem like fighter too me, vastly different fro the MM Zoras who displayed some fighting abilities.

my friend(she has majoras mask)said that the zoras in MM are really bad at fighting well i dont know what she was talking about....