The "Wind Waker was a dream theory"

[ShadowLife]

OK, so I know basically all Zelda fans accpet that there is more than one Link. There have been different heroes, be they reincarnations or descendants of each other or whatnot. But that doesn't sit right with me, and never has.
I believe that it is the same Link in ALL of the games. Now I know many of you are writing me of as a stupid n00b at this point, but hear me out.
My theory
............................... D R E A M S E Q U E N C E..........................................
..................................TWW -(PH? FS?)- LA ................................................
................................/.............................\.................... ......................
......... (Link sent into a trance)....................... (Dream Sequence Endswith LA)
............./.................................................. ....................\............................. .
OOT-MM-......LONG TIME PASSES, AOL BACKSTORY HAPPENS -LOZ-AOL-TP-ALTP


Now, I hope you can all follow that.
And before you ask, I DO have some evidence.
End of WW, Link sails off in a boat ("to find the New Hyrule" ir sumthin),- start of LA Link is Shipwrecked during this mission. I haven't played PH or the Four Swords game, but I hear they have some connection to Wind Waker.

I dont care what Shigsy or Aonuma say, to me they're all the same Link, and I think I've come up with a decent way of rationalizing it.
What you thinks?

[Aeffles]

There is no way that TP and ALttP come after AoL.

During, and after, AoL, Ganon is dead.

[bitterlime]

Could you please explain your diagram, I don't get it. Ô_ô

Edit: Oh the diagram has changed...but I still don't completly get it.

Evidence for multiple Links:

-WW backstory and the game itselve talks about the hero of time, Ganondorf claims the WW Link to be a reincarnation of the hero of time
-The hero's shade in TP is extreamly likley to be OoT Link since he knows the songs from MM and OoT
-TP often mentions a legendary hero that had a green tunic
-FSA also talks about a former hero
-tMC depicts an ancient hero in green garb and blond hair

Oh okay now I get it:


............................... D R E A M S E Q U E N C E..........................................
..................................TWW -(PH? FS?)- LA ................................................
................................/.............................\.................... ......................
......... (Link sent into a trance)....................... (Dream Sequence Endswith LA)
............./.................................................. ....................\............................. .
OOT-MM-......LONG TIME PASSES, AOL BACKSTORY HAPPENS -LOZ-AOL-TP-ALTP

The light blue is all a dream, and the dark blue is the reality. But what makes you think that all those games are dreams?

[Adam_148]

OoX has link sailing away as well, so this theory isn't very backed up, tMC, FS, and FSA all appear to happen after WW and PH in a lot of timelines I'll grant you that, and how does link sleep that long, are you saying that there are two zelda's? your theory doesn't make much sense

[ShadowLife]

Basically, what I'm suggesting is after MM, Link is put in a sort of trance for possibly hundreds of years (not dissimilar to Zelda's during AOL). During his trance, Link 's "dream" is the Wind Waker.This dream ends with LA. After this the last 4 games take place (Loz Aol TP and ALTP, though Im not sure exactly what order. I think of ALTP as last though). During Link's dream, the AOL backstory happens in Hyrule.

Also Ganon's never REALLY dead, is he now?

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

Basically, what I'm suggesting is after MM, Link is put in a sort of trance for possibly hundreds of years (not dissimilar to Zelda's during AOL). During his trance, Link 's "dream" is the Wind Waker.This dream ends with LA. After this the last 4 games take place (Loz Aol TP and ALTP, though Im not sure exactly what order. I also think of ALTP as last though)During Link's dream, the AOL backstory happens in Hyrule.

Also Ganon's never REALLY dead, is he now?

true, ganon is never really dead, but he DOES die, then he gets resurrected or his spirit is passed on to another ganondorf via the trident, or both

[Kenny McCormick]

I'm sorry I really don't understand.

you're claiming that TWW is a dream? How is it a dream? Because it has an ocean? I don't follow that. TWW wasn't a dream, it happened with the Hero of Winds who was a reincarnation of the Hero of Time from OoT. It even stated that it was a new Link in the Game. Please explain how it is a dream.

FS is not a dream either. I haven't played it, but I do know enough about it that there is no evidence in the game that it is a dream.

LA and PH are tricky.
PH is the sequel to TWW where Link is now sailing with Tetra and the pirates. Tetra jumps on the myterious Ghost ship and gets captured by something. Link jumps to save her but misses and falls into the ocean and washes in on a strange island and then PH starts.

PH Spoiler (Highlight to read):

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At the end of PH Link defeats the monster Bellum, and saves the Ocean King. The ocean King then sends Link back to his world (as the world in PH is paralle to the world of TWW) and Link and Tetra appear on the Ghost Ship apparently waking up and the pirates say they've been on there for only 10 minutes. It must have been a dream, exept that Linebeck (the guy you sail with through out the whole game) is sailing away from teh pirate ship, and Link still has the Phantom Hourglass.

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LA I havn't finished but I know the beggining and the end. In the begginig Link is sailing and crashes. He gets washed up on a stange island and meets Mairin (I don't know her name, I haven't played LA in a while) then at the end Link wakes the Wind Fish and appears back at his broken ship waking up and seeing that the island is no longer there. Must have been a dream exept that Mairin appears in the end credits near Links ship somehow (again I haven't finished the game).

It's an interesting thought, but I need some proof for it.

[ShadowLife]

Well, I think it's pretty much granted that LA was mostly a dream. I'm just saying that WW (and related games like FS) were part of that dream too. This is the best Single Link theory I could come up with

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

Well, I think it's pretty much granted that LA was mostly a dream. I'm just saying that WW (and related games like FS) were part of that dream too. This is the best Single Link theory I could come up with

the dream in LA begins at the beginning of the game, and ends at the end of the game, it isn't even link's dream, it's the windfish's dream

[Kenny McCormick]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

Well, I think it's pretty much granted that LA was mostly a dream. I'm just saying that WW (and related games like FS) were part of that dream too. This is the best Single Link theory I could come up with

But how is TWW a dream? I don't understand your reasoning about that. Where's the proof.

[ShadowLife]

Im just making a connection between the facts that Link goes sailing at the end of WW and he gets shipwrecked at the start of LA.

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by Desert Man

But how is TWW a dream? I don't understand your reasoning about that. Where's the proof.

i think that ShadowLife thinks the fact that link is asleep at the beginning of WW is proof that he has fallen asleep and has woken up in a new location (the dream)

[ShadowLife]

Yes That IS part of it!
I know it's a bit different to most of the other theories goin, but it;s good enoughfor me

[Kenny McCormick]

Im just making a connection between the facts that Link goes sailing at the end of WW and he gets shipwrecked at the start of LA.

In two differant boats. Even if they were the same Link TWW wouldn't be a dream. At the Very beggining and the very end LA Link is awake. Link is asleep while he's on the island, but when he's on his boat he's not asleep.

But like I said before they're not the same Link. Link at the end of TWW 1 looks alot differant (hair style, hair color, and age) and TWW Link is sailing with pirates, LA link is sailing by himself.

LA Link is the same Link as ALttP Link. ALttP comes after FSA (in most timeline theories) so why isn't ALttP a dream?

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

Yes That IS part of it!
I know it's a bit different to most of the other theories goin, but it;s good enoughfor me

well link goes sailing at the end of WW, and is next seen on the pirate ship in PH, FS is then much much later with 4 links, LA was released after aLttP, and it is assumed that LA is chronologically after aLttP

[ShadowLife]

I always take ALTTP to be last, because it's the only game (that I've played) where Link gets the full Triforce. I take this to mean Link's wishes all come true, Peace in Hyrule forever and Link's evil fighting days being over. I'm stickin LA sometime before that, as release date is irrelevant to the timeline (OOT was like the 5th game wasn't it? but most say it's the first in the timeline) and sticking LA there adds a little bit of creedence to my "Dream" idea.

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

I always take ALTTP to be last, because it's the only game (that I've played) where Link gets the full Triforce. I take this to mean Link's wishes all come true, Peace in Hyrule forever and Link's evil fighting days being over. I'm stickin LA sometime before that, as release date is irrelevant to the timeline (OOT was like the 5th game wasn't it? but most say it's the first in the timeline) and sticking LA there adds a little bit of creedence to my "Dream" idea.

isn't that kind of why link would leave hyrule, because the triforce is in its full state, and hyrule is protected, so link leaves hyrule and goes to find new adventure

[ShadowLife]

Eh, I just always place ALTTP last. I think it works as the best happyend to the whole series. LA being the end of the story would seem a tad anti-climatic, to me anyway

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

Eh, I just always place ALTTP last. I think it works as the best happyend to the whole series. LA being the end of the story would seem a tad anti-climatic, to me anyway

in OoX Link sails away, so you can place OoX after aLttP, because of the state of the triforce in both games, and LA could then be after OoX

[Kenny McCormick]

Originally Posted by ShadowLife

I always take ALTTP to be last, because it's the only game (that I've played) where Link gets the full Triforce. I take this to mean Link's wishes all come true, Peace in Hyrule forever and Link's evil fighting days being over. I'm stickin LA sometime before that, as release date is irrelevant to the timeline (OOT was like the 5th game wasn't it? but most say it's the first in the timeline) and sticking LA there adds a little bit of creedence to my "Dream" idea.

Link also gets the whole Triforce in AoL, and he has the whole triforce in the beggining of OoX.

Just because Link has the whole triforce doesn't mean that the fighting is over. The AoL backstory the King of Hyrule had the whole triforce, then his sons desire for it caused him to put Zelda into a trance/sleep.

Release date is irrelevant for teh most part but LA has been confirmed to be the direct sequel to ALttP.

sticking LA there adds a little bit of creedence to my "Dream" idea

not really. according to your evidense before it really doesn't. the beggining and end of LA arn't a dream so it doesn't help your theory of TWW being a dream.

[Adam_148]

^ exactly my point, just because of what someone believes doesn't make it instantly true, or even partially true without more evidence that isn't open to speculation

[link4life1432]

no offense but you still sound like a stupid noob.I dont even really get your theory.It just dosent add up!!!!

[bitterlime]

I'm feeling a bit ignored...

Originally Posted by bitterlime

Evidence for multiple Links:

-WW backstory and the game itselve talks about the hero of time, Ganondorf claims the WW Link to be a reincarnation of the hero of time
-The hero's shade in TP is extreamly likley to be OoT Link since he knows the songs from MM and OoT
-TP often mentions a legendary hero that had a green tunic
-FSA also talks about a former hero
-tMC depicts an ancient hero in green garb and blond hair

And I'd like to add that Link has an uncle in tMC and ALttP; A grandma and a sister in WW; is part of the Kokiri in OoT; has no relatives in TP (and many other games).
How does that match up?

[Kenny McCormick]

^ very good points bitterlime.

I think that this theory is pretty much disproved unless some more proof comes in.

[FluidConcept]

I quite like this theory, and the way you've linked Link sailing off at the end of WW with the shipwreck at the start of LA. It's a cool idea, but I think as others have said, the continuity between games doesn't quite link up. Interesting that you place ALttP last as well, I guess it ties in with the common theory about the Temple of Time and the Master Sword, where in OoT the ToT is new and fully built, in TP it's ruined, and in ALttP it's no there at all (just the Scared Grove). However, this suggests a couple more flaws - why did the ToT decay so quickly? And how do items such as the Master Sword leave Links possession and keep ending up back in the ToT?
Also, any ideas where OoX, MC or MQ would fit into your timeline?

Originally Posted by link4life1432

no offense but you still sound like a stupid noob.I dont even really get your theory.It just dosent add up!!!!

Looks at post count *cough*.

Edit:

Originally Posted by bitterlime

And I'd like to add that Link has an uncle in tMC and ALttP; A grandma and a sister in WW; is part of the Kokiri in OoT; has no relatives in TP (and many other games).
How does that match up?

That's a good point too, however seeing as WW is supposedly a dream, it doesn't really matter about his relatives there.