How could Sheik have fitted into TP?

[ShadowLife]

Hi! I'm new here, so sorry of this has been discussed before.
I've been looking forward to Smash Bros Brawl coming out over here in Europe for a looooooooooonnnnnnng time (still not out but we've got a definite date for the end of june ).
Anyways I was checking out the Brawl site, and was delighted to notice my fav melee character, Sheik, will be in Brawl. But smoething else on the website caught my attention.

"Sheik doesn’t appear in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game."

This says to me that Sheik was considered for inclusion in TP. So what I'm asking is how do you think Sheik would have fitted into TP, and are you happy/disappointed s/he didn't?

I personally am a little disappointed Sheik wasn't in the game, cuz s/he is just awesome. I think they could easily have use Sheik instead of the Golden Wolf/Knight dude who teaches you stuff. They would have had to made clear Sheik was Zelda though, cuz it totally sucked in Wind Waker when they reused the "She's actually Zelda!!" twist again.

Thoughts?
Heh, long first post

[Aeffles]

Please try to use the search function to find threads on things. There have been several discussions on it, but they're most likely buried, so a fresh start wouldn't hurt.

My guess would have been either a flashback, or something about how the Sheikah in the hidden village would have involved Sheik herself.

[Adam_148]

i would have liked to have seen sheik as a seperate character in TP, but i think the closest we got was zelda's cloak at the beginning of the game, as it had the sheikah symbol on it

[Erimgard]

Nah, Sheik wsa cool and all, but that was a one time thing.
And I agree with Aeffles. If he/she was ever supposed to be in the game it would probably be a flashback or something.

[Adam_148]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Nah, Sheik wsa cool and all, but that was a one time thing.
And I agree with Aeffles. If he/she was ever supposed to be in the game it would probably be a flashback or something.

a flash-back, zelda reminiscing that her lineage is good at hiding itself (sheik, other zelda disguises), and then saying that her cloak was based off of the sheik disguise or something

[Reign and Kisiro]

Zelda may have had a more prominent role in the original storyline, and Sheik was her fighting outfit or something. Of course, everyone would know Sheik was Zelda, so...

Maybe Sheik was meant to be his own character in TP, and had nothing to do with Zelda? He just wasn't included for one reason or another. Too confusing, maybe?

It's also a possibility that they designed Sheik just for the heck of it, but had no plans at all of putting him into the game.

[Average Gamer]

Sheik was probably designed for the heck of it. While Sheik might have been a separate character, I'm not sure what would happen to the plot. If Zelda, I don't see much of a function other than possibly attacking Zant at the beginning (and failing) or in the horseback section of the final battle.

[Akira]

Zelda didn't really do anything in Twilight Princess. At least, not much. She did hold a sword at one point. Maybe they were hammering out the plotline ideas, they through out the idea of Zelda being more...actively involved in things, via a Sheik-style arrangement.

I doubt it got much farther than ideas in the early phases of things...but the drawings would exist.

[Link Lord]

Sheik was in ONE part of the draft. In games like TP, most likely the creators have different ideas on how the game progresses and what the main plot even is. They think about it and draft up what will happen. They then probably try to mix and match the ideas, and when they were finished, there was no place for Sheik, who was in a part of a draft not chosen.

So, she couldn't have.

[Dark Link]

Simply put: It would have been too much like OOT.

[smallville boy]

Sheik in OOT was only a invention,a fake, a halloween outfit, zelda use this outfit to hidde from ganon, in TP we have a diferent zelda than zelda from OOT, sheik haven't place in TP,cant be part of the story, sheik cant exists in TP because zelda from OOT die, like Link and the most of characters from OOT die.
OOT(100 years and more)TP.

[Orici]

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Sheik in OOT was only a invention,a fake, a halloween outfit, zelda use this outfit to hidde from ganon, in TP we have a diferent zelda than zelda from OOT, sheik haven't place in TP,cant be part of the story, sheik cant exists in TP because zelda from OOT die, like Link and the most of characters from OOT die.
OOT(100 years and more)TP.

?
That's not a very good. ...
that's not good reasoning.

[HylianWarrior81]

It might have been cool if they made Sheik a totally different character in TP. Make you think it's Zelda, but it's really a new and interesting character. Makes for a good twist I think.

[smallville boy]

Originally Posted by Orici

?
That's not a very good. ...
that's not good reasoning.

Why?

[Orici]

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Why?

Sheik in OOT was only a invention,a fake, a halloween outfit, zelda use this outfit to hidde from ganon, in TP we have a diferent zelda than zelda from OOT, sheik haven't place in TP,cant be part of the story, sheik cant exists in TP because zelda from OOT die, like Link and the most of characters from OOT die.
OOT(100 years and more)TP.

Sheik isn't an "invention." That doesnt even make sense. She's not a "Halloween outfit" either.

And, yes TP zelda is different than OoT Zelda, but that doesnt mean she could transform into Sheik. Zelda from OoT just used her magic to do it. Zelda from TP has magic, therefore also has the ability to do so as she wishes.


But TP's plot doesnt involve a need for Sheik, so she's not shown.

[smallville boy]

Originally Posted by Orici

Sheik in OOT was only a invention,a fake, a halloween outfit, zelda use this outfit to hidde from ganon, in TP we have a diferent zelda than zelda from OOT, sheik haven't place in TP,cant be part of the story, sheik cant exists in TP because zelda from OOT die, like Link and the most of characters from OOT die.
OOT(100 years and more)TP.

Sheik isn't an "invention." That doesnt even make sense. She's not a "Halloween outfit" either.

And, yes TP zelda is different than OoT Zelda, but that doesnt mean she could transform into Sheik. Zelda from OoT just used her magic to do it. Zelda from TP has magic, therefore also has the ability to do so as she wishes.


But TP's plot doesnt involve a need for Sheik, so she's not shown.

Dude, obviosly zelda use magic to get the sheikah shape, but she really isnt a sheikah, she only take that shape to hidde from ganon.
"halloween outfit", "fake" are only a funny examples, dont take it literally.

Zelda from TP are a different zelda from OOT ,diferent personality, diferent mind, are diferent persons,zelda in TP use magic to other things, and remmember, zelda in OOT only take the shape of a sheikah to hidde from ganon.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ Ya, well that doesn't mean Sheik can't be in TP. Imagine her taking the form of Sheik to escape from Zant or something. There are reasons for Sheik to exist in TP. As long as someone can teach her how to do it, there's no reason why she couldn't be in TP.

[Aeffles]

The fact that Zelda used magic to take shape of Sheik is exactly WHY she could have appeared in TP.

For the exact reason HdM said. She could have taken form of Sheik to flee before Zant took the throne.

[smallville boy]

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

^ Ya, well that doesn't mean Sheik can't be in TP. Imagine her taking the form of Sheik to escape from Zant or something. There are reasons for Sheik to exist in TP. As long as someone can teach her how to do it, there's no reason why she couldn't be in TP.

Only one little thing, TP is in the child link time line

OOT(Child link ending)-MM-TP

In this time line zelda never take the sheik shape.gani never entered into the SR and take the triforce, sheik dont exists in this timeline(the idea of a flash back go to the trash).
Zelda from OOT and zelda from TP are diferent zeldas, Yes zelda from OOT take the sheikah shape with her magic(in the future timeline), but she cant take whatever shape. why if zelda from TP is a diferent zelda than zelda from OOT take the same shape that zelda from OOT take it,a shape that never exists in the child link timeline?.dont have sense, 4 that sheik can't appear in TP, Nintendo see that and choice to dont included sheik in the story of TP.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ Who do you think taught Zelda the Sheikah ways in OoT? A Sheikah. So, if a Sheikah taught TP the same things, there could theoretically be another Sheik. Simple.

[TheManInTheMoon]

^ Who do you think taught Zelda the Sheikah ways in OoT? A Sheikah. So, if a Sheikah taught TP the same things, there could theoretically be another Sheik. Simple.

...Its far more likely that impa taught her.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ Ya. Well Impa is a Sheikah Impa teaching her those things is the most plausible theory. However, I'm generalizing in order to make it even more plausible, which I consider necessary in order to prove my point.

Don't question my rhetorics

[smallville boy]

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

^ Who do you think taught Zelda the Sheikah ways in OoT? A Sheikah. So, if a Sheikah taught TP the same things, there could theoretically be another Sheik. Simple.

Yes,but sheik is a fiction character created by zelda, sheik is male, zelda only take the sheik shape because she nedded to hide from gany,in the child link time line(OOT-MM-TP) sheik never exists,
zelda in TP with her magic can take whatever shape, but sheik shape dont, sheik is a fiction character created by zelda from OOT(only in the adult link timeline), remmember zelda from TP is a diferent zelda.

Sheik was only a emergency outfit. we never see again sheik as a character of a normal zelda game, the fans can cry, but thats the true.

[Aeffles]

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Yes,but sheik is a fiction character created by zelda, sheik is male, zelda only take the sheik shape because she nedded to hide from gany,in the child link time line(OOT-MM-TP) sheik never exists,
zelda in TP with her magic can take whatever shape, but sheik shape dont, sheik is a fiction character created by zelda from OOT(only in the adult link timeline), remmember zelda from TP is a diferent zelda.

Sheik was only a emergency outfit. we never see again sheik as a character of a normal zelda game, the fans can cry, but thats the true.

It's not that Sheik doesn't exist, it's just that Zelda never needed to hide as Sheik, or is shown as Sheik.
Sheik could have been a symbol of the Sheikah, not just a "costume". Yes, she is a different Zelda, but it's kinda funny how Link always has the same heroes clothes.

[smallville boy]

Originally Posted by Aeffles

It's not that Sheik doesn't exist, it's just that Zelda never needed to hide as Sheik, or is shown as Sheik.
Sheik could have been a symbol of the Sheikah, not just a "costume". Yes, she is a different Zelda, but it's kinda funny how Link always has the same heroes clothes.

The hero clothes have a story and go in a total diferent way to the sheik outfit, the hero clothes exists in the both timelines.

Adult time line-(OOT-WW) link take the hero clothes from her grandmother, when the kids of this island have certain age, they recived the same kind of clothes that the hero of te legend wear.

Child Time line-(OOT-TP) link take the hero clothes from the light spirit, because he is the chossen hero by the godesses, that will wear the same clothes of the hero of time, with honor and proud. the person that become the next "hero".

P.D:and not, sheik ist a sheikah symbol, its only a fiction character created by zelda.